Expectations for 2012?

[jason_h537]

I honestly think putting in EG gives us at least 1 additional win we wouldn't have gotten otherwise. We can't predict when Tommy will make a mistake. We won't be able to predict when EG will make a mistake. But opposing defenses can gameplan for Tommy's physical shortcomings, while they have nothing yet to gameplan for as far as EG. Even if they play contain and try to make him beat them through the air, and he turns out to be just as bad as Tommy, we're better than where we were last year because they have to play contain now.

OK but putting EG in could give ND a loss that it could have gotten otherwise. Remember how awesome Hendrix was until he played and threw 2 picks?

 

[Patulski]

So lets talk this situation you brought up. Run the ball more last year. Should we have run the ball more against Stanford, usc, or fsu? i mean the physicality was there in the trenches, but the blocks werent getting made. So you still continue to run it when its not working? What would you have done differently when arguably BK's 3 best explosive weapons last year were Floyd/Eifert/and Riddick? Cierre/Jonas couldnt have had better years minus the injuries. usf/mich i feel we ran the ball more than enough to win. I dont se e BK throwing INTs in the endzone, not turning around for a ball and have it bounce off his facemask for a INT, nor fumbling the ball inside the 5. Hell, those TO's im 110% sure you can't even coach that up. Theo has his guy beat by 2-3 steps and the ball is throw 3 feet behind him...thats common sense. The players realize its on them to step up and MAKE plays. Thats the difference between the last few years and what Kelly is bringing. Sure every coach has regrets in game plans/adjustments, but BK and co are doing more than enough to win games.

When you commit to a running game, you don't abandon it at the first sign of failure. Our running backs ran 9 times against USC. Our lousy QB's passed 43 times. So, its hard to draw conclusions about what would have happened with a more balanced attack. And I would argue that Jonas Gray/Wood and Riddick (who I believe is a better runner than receiver) are three very qualified running backs. I would have rather had them running the ball more, and Rees throwing the ball less, but that didn't happen.

I didn't advocate abandoning the passing game, I advocated minimizing it so that there was a more balanced run/pass ratio. So, Eifert and Floyd would still get the ball. I believe we would have been a better football team if that had happened. It didn't. Time to move along. I hope if Kelly passes so much again this year that his QB does a better job.


Whatever Kelly is bringing, he better bring soon. We'll see how he does this year. Let's hope its a lot better than last.

 

[Chamellion]

Team had workouts inside the stadium today. Motto: Protect this House. We will see if this continues as a on the regular thing!

Mentality is changing fellas.

Anyone find it a little ironic that ND is so heavily Adidas, yet uses Under Armor's motto?

LAWSUIT


God i'm excited for this season to start. Just so everyone knows.

EDIT: Also for the post above me, when you fall behind early in a game, you tend to pass more as passing plays have a higher YPP than running plays. It's like saying in a win, you run the ball 30+ times, so we should run 30+ times against all opponents. However, you run so much when ahead because you have a lead and you are trying to protect it.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Anyone find it a little ironic that ND is so heavily Adidas, yet uses Under Armor's motto?

LAWSUIT


God i'm excited for this season to start. Just so everyone knows.

EDIT: Also for the post above me, when you fall behind early in a game, you tend to pass more as passing plays have a higher YPP than running plays. It's like saying in a win, you run the ball 30+ times, so we should run 30+ times against all opponents. However, you run so much when ahead because you have a lead and you are trying to protect it.

lol. Its not an official motto bro. Nothing of the sort.

 

[NDinL.A.]

EDIT: Also for the post above me, when you fall behind early in a game, you tend to pass more as passing plays have a higher YPP than running plays. It's like saying in a win, you run the ball 30+ times, so we should run 30+ times against all opponents. However, you run so much when ahead because you have a lead and you are trying to protect it.

Yeah, but in his defense, we were down by 7 twice in that game, so it's not like we were facing this huge deficit the entire game. The worst part was when we were down by 7, USC misses a field goal, and we have the ball in good field position with the crwod going nuts. And what does BK call? A short screen to the short side of the field (and we KNOW Rees has trouble with that throw). And of course, Rees throws it behind Woods and the rest is history.

I'm a big BK supporter, and the players deserve a lot of the blame for coming out so soft that game, but BK deserves his share of criticism as well IMO...

 

[kmoose]

I expect kelly to pitter patter with the QB's, show ridiculous faith in his boy Rees and lead us to a 7-5 or 8-4 season while wasting a year of development for one of the younger guys which will ultimately lead to similar conversations next summer..

I hope he picks Golson, lets him deal with some of the growing pains and lets him hold the job without having to look over his shoulder the entire year even though we very well may go 7-5.. I really don't think we can get 9 wins with Rees, so what's the point in trotting him out there and limiting the effectiveness of the offense?

I also expect and hope Golson develops some strong connections with our relatively young WR group and finds someone he can count on on 3rd and 7 when Eiffert will be triple covered

I expect this year to be a MUST WIN NOW year in the eyes of the media, but I don't necessarily think it should be.. new QB, brutal schedule and inexperienced secondary lead me to believe next year is yet another building year, and I'm very much OK with that..

I know some of you (all of you?) may disagree.. winning is so huge for recruiting, but I hope a 7-5 or 8-4 season doesn't deter our commits and prospects, but in my heart of hearts I feel like that is this team's ceiling given the QB situation

The point is that the offense is less limited by Rees, than it is by a guy who (until I hear the coaches say differently) has a tendency to put the snap on the ground. All of his athleticism will mean nothing, if he can't even field the snap. Kelly has already said that Golson had a problem with putting the ball on the carpet, so how about if people quit pretending like the kid has no down side?

 

[stlnd01]

Yeah, but in his defense, we were down by 7 twice in that game, so it's not like we were facing this huge deficit the entire game. The worst part was when we were down by 7, USC misses a field goal, and we have the ball in good field position with the crwod going nuts. And what does BK call? A short screen to the short side of the field (and we KNOW Rees has trouble with that throw). And of course, Rees throws it behind Woods and the rest is history.

I'm a big BK supporter, and the players deserve a lot of the blame for coming out so soft that game, but BK deserves his share of criticism as well IMO...

We were down 14-0 after two possessions. They out-physicaled us from the first snap. That affects the way you call plays.
And the lost Wood screen pass was basically a running play. Problem was the execution, not the call. But I suppose we can go 'round and 'round on that debate all offseason.
Point is, the whole team shat the bed that night, coaches included. On to 2012.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

You all know a bit more than I. But going back to Mike's own point: BK has only had two kinds of luck in his time at ND; bad, and none.


This year the pieces are in place. A healthy, brolic offensive line from Cave on out. Tight Ends coming out the kazoo. Two, three, or four outstanding running backs; all the pieces are in place for a breakout year with a quarterback that can execute.

I think Kelly does to a quarterback in practice, especially spring, and spring game-ish, sort of a simulation of game pressure. I believe his brakedown is designed to help engender better decision making. That is its sole purpose. He will put the guy he is working on aside and put out the guy that he feels can keep him safe. Mike was right when he talked about increasing gambles defensively against Rees. It was warranted and effective.

This year defenses will have a healthy offense, maybe with a few question marks and certainly no Michael Floyd, but how are defenses going to figure Everett Golson, if he accepts Kelly's challenge and excells?

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Things will happen.

Stuff will go down.

We will be better men for it.

Kelly knows he botched the QBs last year and he's wise enough to know he cannot afford to make the same mistake twice.

Hate to bring him up, but it's got to be like Saban's second shot at LSU. LSU squeaks out a win, Saban vows not to make the same mistakes twice and keeps LSU from crossing their 50 yd line in the NC game. Kelly has to get this right.

BK has a grand opportunity this year to prove himself.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

I was just watching some highlights of some practices and the spring game. The offense really excites me. Golson looked great, Atkinson looked deadly, Daniels looks like a serious threat and not to mention Wood, Eifert and co. We've got enough weapons to play very fast.

I also looked at some interviews of Golson from 2011 and 2012. He looks so much more confident. I hope it translates on the field. Also, there's a clip of Tony Rice reppin Golson very hard. He said Golson is better than him and will have his own legacy when he leaves ND.

This might be the most athletic team at ND in years

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Things will happen.

Stuff will go down.

We will be better men for it.

Kelly knows he botched the QBs last year and he's wise enough to know he cannot afford to make the same mistake twice.

Hate to bring him up, but it's got to be like Saban's second shot at LSU. LSU squeaks out a win, Saban vows not to make the same mistakes twice and keeps LSU from crossing their 50 yd line in the NC game. Kelly has to get this right.

BK has a grand opportunity this year to prove himself.

Love you dude, but I will go to town with you over this one sentence. Kelly didn't botch anything having to do with qb's last year. He had to go with the only one that could protect himself. Too bad his (Tommy's) season collapsed on such a low ceiling, but no one else was ready. BK tried to put Dayne back in. Didn't take. No one else was ready.

This year BK may be called a genius for saving a year of Golsons elgibility. And using Hendrix's. Where Hendrix may have an ongoing changeup role for his four years, (three remaining), see Cinci.


PS: Quote:

3. Sheldon Day is a MAN CHILD!
The coaches knew they had scored when they landed Day!
They just didn't think he'd be what he looks like he
can be!....
DOMINANT!
Joe Bowman is a friend of mine and a scout, also a
Michigan fan...durning the whole Tommy Schutt
situation I know there were a lot of idiots bitch#ng about
ND passing on Schutt...then UM passed on Schutt...
Bowman told me.."I'd jump over Schutt to get Day!"
Seems like Bowman knows his stuff!

Told you all!

 

[NDinL.A.]

Love you dude, but I will go to town with you over this one sentence. Kelly didn't botch anything having to do with qb's last year. He had to go with the only one that could protect himself. Too bad his (Tommy's) season collapsed on such a low ceiling, but no one else was ready. BK tried to put Dayne back in. Didn't take. No one else was ready.

This year BK may be called a genius for saving a year of Golsons elgibility. And using Hendrix's. Where Hendrix may have an ongoing changeup role for his four years, (three remaining), see Cinci.


PS: Quote:

Told you all!

Bogs, this is the 3rd post you've quoted the Sheldon Day thing, saying you 'told us all'. He was a 4 star beast who a lot if us LOVED out of h.s; we talked about it in his thread. Not everyonecwas disappointed we passed on Schutt. And the coaches haves about him since he started working out for them. AND he was dominant all spring. This is no diamond in the rough here, trust us, we know he's a stud.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

BK didnt botch the qb position to a point. He went with the right guy in Rees at the beginning of the year, but I feel that BK could have went back to Crist/Hendrix at a point later on in the year when Rees struggled or just needed a couple series to re-collect himself. Like I have said before, Quinn/Clausen played as freshmen out of necessity, Golson/Kiel sitting a year isnt bad.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Love you dude, but I will go to town with you over this one sentence. Kelly didn't botch anything having to do with qb's last year. He had to go with the only one that could protect himself. Too bad his (Tommy's) season collapsed on such a low ceiling, but no one else was ready. BK tried to put Dayne back in. Didn't take. No one else was ready.

This year BK may be called a genius for saving a year of Golsons elgibility. And using Hendrix's. Where Hendrix may have an ongoing changeup role for his four years, (three remaining), see Cinci.


PS: Quote:

Told you all!

BK didnt botch the qb position to a point. He went with the right guy in Rees at the beginning of the year, but I feel that BK could have went back to Crist/Hendrix at a point later on in the year when Rees struggled or just needed a couple series to re-collect himself. Like I have said before, Quinn/Clausen played as freshmen out of necessity, Golson/Kiel sitting a year isnt bad.

I see your points, maybe botched was the wrong word. It's a tricky situation with a lot of opinion and no true definition. But, I feel like there was an aura of hesitancy, instability and insecurity surrounding that position last year and that ultimately comes down on BK.

As a fan, I just want to see confidence and security in the position. To BKs defense his decision would be a lot easier if one of them stepped up and took it.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Bogs, this is the 3rd post you've quoted the Sheldon Day thing, saying you 'told us all'. He was a 4 star beast who a lot if us LOVED out of h.s; we talked about it in his thread. Not everyonecwas disappointed we passed on Schutt. And the coaches haves about him since he started working out for them. AND he was dominant all spring. This is no diamond in the rough here, trust us, we know he's a stud.

Understood. But my posts have been more in response to the hand wringing over the loss of Aaron Lynch. Many posters, like many ND fans elsewhere talked like the world was over when he transferred from ND.

Now it is important not to speak badly of someone. But there is a point that needs to be made here. I will try to be as tacktfull as possible; AL was many fans golden boy. To some, Sheldon was the booby prize we got in the Schutt fiasco. People have doubted Kelly's recruiting machine, every step of the way. Don't talk about IE only, we are the most reasonable site, there are a couple that hunger for his cooked heart. Many have wanted to crucify Kelly, times over when they preceive he makes a recruiting mistake. Many saw Day-Schutt as a mistake, as was not placating AL.

What I have heard is that AL was a pain from his recruitment on. He was an over-privileged self-indulgent mean as possible, teenager. If someone called him on it he would slough it off with a, "Just kidding!" Sheldon came in with an, "I am going to work my @ss of and better myself," attitude. This net is one example of why I see a light-year jump in the performance of this team. And one could say, this is what a Kelly team is.

So we are in agreement, and have been in agreeement about Day, but these ancillary posts are what I am pointing out. Together they are what is important: attitude and character above personality, every time!

PS Day should have had a fifth star.

 

[Chamellion]

Mind you, Aaron wasn't a five star recruit either.

 

[woolybug25]

Now it is important not to speak badly of someone. But there is a point that needs to be made here. I will try to be as tacktfull as possible; AL was many fans golden boy. To some, Sheldon was the booby prize we got in the Schutt fiasco. People have doubted Kelly's recruiting machine, every step of the way. Don't talk about IE only, we are the most reasonable site, there are a couple that hunger for his cooked heart. Many have wanted to crucify Kelly, times over when they preceive he makes a recruiting mistake. Many saw Day-Schutt as a mistake, as was not placating AL.

I actually agree with most of your points, but this is the one that I am confused on. As one of the "Schutt Lovers", I remember this completely different. I don't remember a ton of us wanting Schutt instead of Day, I only remember us wanting both. The argument with Schutt wasn't that we wanted him instead of Day, it was only that we wanted him.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Understood. But my posts have been more in response to the hand wringing over the loss of Aaron Lynch. Many posters, like many ND fans elsewhere talked like the world was over when he transferred from ND.

Now it is important not to speak badly of someone. But there is a point that needs to be made here. I will try to be as tacktfull as possible; AL was many fans golden boy. To some, Sheldon was the booby prize we got in the Schutt fiasco. People have doubted Kelly's recruiting machine, every step of the way. Don't talk about IE only, we are the most reasonable site, there are a couple that hunger for his cooked heart. Many have wanted to crucify Kelly, times over when they preceive he makes a recruiting mistake. Many saw Day-Schutt as a mistake, as was not placating AL.

What I have heard is that AL was a pain from his recruitment on. He was an over-privileged self-indulgent mean as possible, teenager. If someone called him on it he would slough it off with a, "Just kidding!" Sheldon came in with an, "I am going to work my @ss of and better myself," attitude. This net is one example of why I see a light-year jump in the performance of this team. And one could say, this is what a Kelly team is.

So we are in agreement, and have been in agreeement about Day, but these ancillary posts are what I am pointing out. Together they are what is important: attitude and character above personality, every time!

PS Day should have had a fifth star.

You're spot on with Lynch. I never wanted to throw this out there at the time b/c it was such a hot topic, but when I came up to South Bend in April the day Lynch left, I talked to someone who knew A LOT of players. And let's just say there weren't too many people disappointed that he was gone. He constantly had to be babied, didn't work hard in practice, didn't fit in to the school at all (he would go around campus picking fights with people - seriously, wtf does that in college?), picked fights with teammates in practice, etc. There's a couple of worse things that I won't even get into.

So with Lynch, it became more of addition by subtraction. It's like a cancer was on the team and the cancer got removed. Make no doubt though, the kid was a friggin' incredible talent and we'll all be missing him on 3rd and 8 this year, trust me. But what he took off the table made this team worse, so in the end, it was worth it.

And Lynch was a 5 star by most services, btw.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I actually agree with most of your points, but this is the one that I am confused on. As one of the "Schutt Lovers", I remember this completely different. I don't remember a ton of us wanting Schutt instead of Day, I only remember us wanting both. The argument with Schutt wasn't that we wanted him instead of Day, it was only that we wanted him.

If you take the time to go back, and trust me it is not worth it, there are a whole lot of posters at two sites, one in particular, that don't like taking kids from Warren Central. It happened, but as I said, not on IE! That is why I love you all so much. There is a point with Day, recruiting several other kids, and when some of the uncommits happened last year that BK was criticized for the kind of kids he recruited. Maybe the reason you didn't see it Wooly, is because you are pretty damned good hearted. Some people said things with undertones I cared not for, about Sheldon and Warren. Once again not you not here. But when I see someone stand up like (Sheldon) that and do the right thing, I just get excited!

ND in LA, I have heard the same thing, my only remaining question is how long did they think they were going to be able to keep him in school. I guess the reason I get so emotionally out there is the contrast between the character of the two we have been discussing. But from a character standpoint, in one case sadly, I picked 'em out on the ride in. (I stood next to or behind Sheldon at the SC rally. That was an amazing education for me.)

You know AL posted on this site when he was in the process of leaving. I had a chance to tell him what I thought, and he was pretty surprised that people weren't going to miss him more.

LA, you and I are definite different sides of the coin, but it is the same coin, I can tell you have the same decent values, and Wooly, you are tops in my book. And, we just may have third and eight covered this year.

 

[irishandy]

You're spot on with Lynch. I never wanted to throw this out there at the time b/c it was such a hot topic, but when I came up to South Bend in April the day Lynch left, I talked to someone who knew A LOT of players. And let's just say there weren't too many people disappointed that he was gone. He constantly had to be babied, didn't work hard in practice, didn't fit in to the school at all (he would go around campus picking fights with people - seriously, wtf does that in college?), picked fights with teammates in practice, etc. There's a couple of worse things that I won't even get into.

So with Lynch, it became more of addition by subtraction. It's like a cancer was on the team and the cancer got removed. Make no doubt though, the kid was a friggin' incredible talent and we'll all be missing him on 3rd and 8 this year, trust me. But what he took off the table made this team worse, so in the end, it was worth it.

And Lynch was a 5 star by most services, btw.

And a ton of people I talk to thought Clausen was bad and a lot of locals didn't care for him...sucks to hear the stuff you are talking about above with Lynch.

 

[Chamellion]

Aaron once told the assistant rector of dillon that if the AR ever yelled at him, he would beat the **** out of him. True story.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

NDinLA is spot on about Lynch. I have stated that ND is better without the Lynch/Shepard for certain reason. Would I love to have them on the field...damn straight I would. But there is also a line that you have to draw and stand firm where you are doing the program/school and the kid a favor by letting him go. Cant pull some of the stuff they have pulled at any school, let alone the nfl. I def wish them both the best bc they are good kids deep down, just immature.

But anyway....2012 discussion..............

 

[NDPhilly]

I'm starting to believe 9-3 is very possible. The more I look at Stamford the less worried they make me.

 

[cody1smith]

I'm starting to believe 9-3 is very possible. The more I look at Stamford the less worried they make me.

Its the polar opposite for me. Losing luck will hurt them but they have a ton of talent waiting in the wings. Im also thinking 9-3 but stanford is number 2 of 3.

 

[irishtrain]

I'll comment on the subject of hand wringing over the loss of Lynch-I have posted many times that it was very significant. Its not the loss of this particular guy as much as it is the fact that a significant player would ever think of leaving Notre Dame once he was locked in. Never would have happened in past days due to the fact that you just dont leave the marquis school in college football especially if you are a star type player. I understand the situation but there have been other hard to deal with guys who stayed matured and were basically told you cant leave this school. Today Notre Dame does not have that clout with kids because of the deteriation of the success of this program. In the long run if these issues are true its best he did leave but the mere fact that he did speaks volumes on the deteriation of the storied college football program. Even Dorsey Levens had a beef he was behind 3 future NFL stars and it was time to play somewhere else-he did and then stood out himself in the NFL. My point is very very few guys ever left when they were performing well and I'm sure Lynch was not the first guy who was a special cares type of guy. Think about what I am saying here its not about Lynch-its about Notre Dame football. Of course you dont want guys around showing disrespect to people in authority and of course he will show us the errors of his ways if he struggles somewhere else but the mere fact that he left shows that now its ok to leave Notre Dame. There was a time when that was not an option.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I'll comment on the subject of hand wringing over the loss of Lynch-I have posted many times that it was very significant. Its not the loss of this particular guy as much as it is the fact that a significant player would ever think of leaving Notre Dame once he was locked in. Never would have happened in past days due to the fact that you just dont leave the marquis school in college football especially if you are a star type player. I understand the situation but there have been other hard to deal with guys who stayed matured and were basically told you cant leave this school. Today Notre Dame does not have that clout with kids because of the deteriation of the success of this program. In the long run if these issues are true its best he did leave but the mere fact that he did speaks volumes on the deteriation of the storied college football program. Even Dorsey Levens had a beef he was behind 3 future NFL stars and it was time to play somewhere else-he did and then stood out himself in the NFL. My point is very very few guys ever left when they were performing well and I'm sure Lynch was not the first guy who was a special cares type of guy. Think about what I am saying here its not about Lynch-its about Notre Dame football. Of course you dont want guys around showing disrespect to people in authority and of course he will show us the errors of his ways if he struggles somewhere else but the mere fact that he left shows that now its ok to leave Notre Dame. There was a time when that was not an option.

This is absurd. I'd neg rep you again if I could.

You, like most of the posters at NDNation, combine an idealized vision of what ND football used to be with a refusal to accept how CFB has changed since then.

The ND you think you knew never really existed, so your negative opinion of the current program, as judged against that illusory standard, is completely irrelevant.

I'll be the last one to promote Pollyannaism around here; the 2012 team has some serious question marks. One can make a plausible argument for anything from 7-5 to 10-2. But your posts are uniformly negative, and you make no attempt to substantiate your negativity other than by vague references to "gut feelings", improbable losses you've called in the past (even a broken clock is right twice a day), and pointless comparisons to "how things used to be".

There are several message boards where your attitude would be welcomed and even praised as realism-- NDNation, UHND, etc. But not here.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

You're spot on with Lynch. I never wanted to throw this out there at the time b/c it was such a hot topic, but when I came up to South Bend in April the day Lynch left, I talked to someone who knew A LOT of players. And let's just say there weren't too many people disappointed that he was gone. He constantly had to be babied, didn't work hard in practice, didn't fit in to the school at all (he would go around campus picking fights with people - seriously, wtf does that in college?), picked fights with teammates in practice, etc. There's a couple of worse things that I won't even get into.

So with Lynch, it became more of addition by subtraction. It's like a cancer was on the team and the cancer got removed. Make no doubt though, the kid was a friggin' incredible talent and we'll all be missing him on 3rd and 8 this year, trust me. But what he took off the table made this team worse, so in the end, it was worth it.

And Lynch was a 5 star by most services, btw.

The FSU fan I talked to about Lynch when he committed was 100% right about him.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

I'll comment on the subject of hand wringing over the loss of Lynch-I have posted many times that it was very significant. Its not the loss of this particular guy as much as it is the fact that a significant player would ever think of leaving Notre Dame once he was locked in. Never would have happened in past days due to the fact that you just dont leave the marquis school in college football especially if you are a star type player. I understand the situation but there have been other hard to deal with guys who stayed matured and were basically told you cant leave this school. Today Notre Dame does not have that clout with kids because of the deteriation of the success of this program. In the long run if these issues are true its best he did leave but the mere fact that he did speaks volumes on the deteriation of the storied college football program. Even Dorsey Levens had a beef he was behind 3 future NFL stars and it was time to play somewhere else-he did and then stood out himself in the NFL. My point is very very few guys ever left when they were performing well and I'm sure Lynch was not the first guy who was a special cares type of guy. Think about what I am saying here its not about Lynch-its about Notre Dame football. Of course you dont want guys around showing disrespect to people in authority and of course he will show us the errors of his ways if he struggles somewhere else but the mere fact that he left shows that now its ok to leave Notre Dame. There was a time when that was not an option.

The FSU fan I talked to about Lynch when he committed was 100% right about him.

Title, well said. His all-about-me attitude was evident from the beginning. There's a reason the de-committed in the first place.... It's about me... Once he found out that the grass wasn't greener in Tallahassee, he came back..... One year goes by, but the focus wasn't on him....we still have Manti and kap and Chocolate.....it's not about me......His chit about a broad in nonsense......... it's all about "me". I gots to gets mine.... Well, Junior....go gets yours at your second run, Div. uno program. Welcome to "should have been big man" in a small pond. By the way.... Personal fouls don't count any less in the Big Least.... Just sayin'....

 

[BGIF]

I'll comment on the subject of hand wringing over the loss of Lynch-I have posted many times that it was very significant. Its not the loss of this particular guy as much as it is the fact that a significant player would ever think of leaving Notre Dame once he was locked in. Never would have happened in past days due to the fact that you just dont leave the marquis school in college football especially if you are a star type player. I understand the situation but there have been other hard to deal with guys who stayed matured and were basically told you cant leave this school. Today Notre Dame does not have that clout with kids because of the deteriation of the success of this program. In the long run if these issues are true its best he did leave but the mere fact that he did speaks volumes on the deteriation of the storied college football program. Even Dorsey Levens had a beef he was behind 3 future NFL stars and it was time to play somewhere else-he did and then stood out himself in the NFL. My point is very very few guys ever left when they were performing well and I'm sure Lynch was not the first guy who was a special cares type of guy. Think about what I am saying here its not about Lynch-its about Notre Dame football. Of course you dont want guys around showing disrespect to people in authority and of course he will show us the errors of his ways if he struggles somewhere else but the mere fact that he left shows that now its ok to leave Notre Dame. There was a time when that was not an option.

Au contraire when ND was winning 23 in a row, NOBODY got a second bite at the apple. Wanna list the recruits Holtz took back after they spurned hiim?

How about Weis during the lean years?

This is absurd. I'd neg rep you again if I could.

...

This one's for you, Wj.

 

[futuredomer44]

i think we will have around 10 wins if we run ove 50% of the time but occasionally pass on first down