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[fightingirish26]

City apparently agreed terms with Haaland (500k/week), just have to trigger the release clause with Dortmund.

Pub league. I'll be watching Celtic and Serie A.

You're trying too hard

 

[DCDomer]

You're trying too hard

Do tell. I can watch a 2 team title race in a league full of Saudi blood money, or a 2 team title race in Scotland.

 

[Rogue219]

England's pub league is tougher than Germany's pub league. Ask Timo Werner.

 

[Rogue219]

Different Clubs that have won Championships since 2000-01 season:

France: 8
England: 6
Germany: 5
Spain: 4
Italy: 4
Scotland: 2

 

[ACamp1900]

Watch whatever you’re into,… I do agree epl fans shitting on any other league is pretty bs for a number of reasons but whatever. I’ll always pull for Newcastle and say screw the rest of that league. The SPFL is different but the top rivalry is more intense and enthralling than any other in Europe I’ve paid attention to. I hope Celtic can hold on,… it’s been a really wild and intense ride.

 

[DCDomer]

Different Clubs that have won Championships since 2000-01 season:

France: 8
England: 6
Germany: 5
Spain: 4
Italy: 4
Scotland: 2

The problem has gotten much worse in the last 5-10 years than it's been in the 10 before that. The EPL is a victim of it's own success is many ways.

• The spending gap between the "Big 6" and rest of the league has essentially created 2 leagues within one.
• The TV revenue awarded to Premier League clubs is so vital to the existence of these clubs that the vast majority of the games are completely unwatchable because those sides are worried about every single point available rather than committing to a style of play or long-term vision of a manager.
• The league is becoming a haven for sportswashing by human rights violators

I'm not arguing that the Premier League is the least competitive league in Europe, but this myth that it's the best league in the world is a myth and the attitude of fans that don't watch anything other than English football towards other leagues is laughable considering their own league's flaws.

 

[ACamp1900]

And right on cue SPFL clubs voted to implement VAR next season. One club in the country voted against it and of course everyone is having fun trying to predict who that one club was. As delicious as it sounds no way 'gers would be that dense... the entire country points to all the ranger ex player/fans and orange walk peps working as refs and how gers always get the timely PKs over next to nothing. For them to vote no would be massive fuel there. It's funny because their fans live in this giant bubble where they are super hard done by and the rest of Scotland is in one giant papal conspiracy against them... it's Liverpool fan crazy but worse.

 

[CTIDANDREW]

The problem has gotten much worse in the last 5-10 years than it's been in the 10 before that. The EPL is a victim of it's own success is many ways.

• The spending gap between the "Big 6" and rest of the league has essentially created 2 leagues within one.
• The TV revenue awarded to Premier League clubs is so vital to the existence of these clubs that the vast majority of the games are completely unwatchable because those sides are worried about every single point available rather than committing to a style of play or long-term vision of a manager.
• The league is becoming a haven for sportswashing by human rights violators

I'm not arguing that the Premier League is the least competitive league in Europe, but this myth that it's the best league in the world is a myth and the attitude of fans that don't watch anything other than English football towards other leagues is laughable considering their own league's flaws.

You seem very entrenched in your opinion, but this is simply just not true. Numerous clubs outside the "big 6" have similar net transfer spends within the past 5-10 years. Clubs like Villa, Everton, West Ham...hell even Wolves and Brighton have spent similar funds on player transfer spending as compared to Spurs, Chelsea, and Liverpool this past decade.

Premier League - Transfer balance and five-year comparison

In dieser Statistik werden die Transferbilanzen der letzten fünf bzw. zehn Jahre der Vereine der Premier League miteinander verglichen.

www.transfermarkt.us

City and United are the biggest outliers of the group, and deserve the criticism in my opinion.
City has used their disproportionate spending to have one the most successful decades in English football history, and United who have spent in similar fashion if not more in the same time span are in the worse position their club has ever found themselves in. I think that speaks to the amazing club infrastructure that Manchester City has built within the club from the top down, but most fans of other clubs don't care about that and just see the money spent which is fine and somewhat fair.

As far as sports washing it is a fair criticism, and it is something I struggle with as a City fan. I'm just a guy who enjoys watching the football club, I don't feel that makes me an accomplice to the bad things that happen in the middle east, but others in the world soccer community strongly disagree. That part of the world has had unsolvable issues for thousands of years, and its likely it will for the next thousand. Whether or not some sheik spends his personal fortune on a football club ain't going to change a damn thing. The Newcastle ownership situation is different from the City ownership situation in my opinion, but no need to go on a tangent about that in this thread.

 

[fightingirish26]

The problem has gotten much worse in the last 5-10 years than it's been in the 10 before that. The EPL is a victim of it's own success is many ways.

• The spending gap between the "Big 6" and rest of the league has essentially created 2 leagues within one.
• The TV revenue awarded to Premier League clubs is so vital to the existence of these clubs that the vast majority of the games are completely unwatchable because those sides are worried about every single point available rather than committing to a style of play or long-term vision of a manager.
• The league is becoming a haven for sportswashing by human rights violators

I'm not arguing that the Premier League is the least competitive league in Europe, but this myth that it's the best league in the world is a myth and the attitude of fans that don't watch anything other than English football towards other leagues is laughable considering their own league's flaws.

1. Is there a top flight league outside of like MLS maybe that doesn't have a pronounced wage gap at the top?
2. Congratulations on figuring out how relegation works and how clubs try to avoid it.
3. I feel like newcastle/city owners investing in those clubs has probably brought more attention to them than if they stayed out of the soccer world. Fans of those clubs who defend them are super lame but I don't really see that anywhere outside of an extreme minority. I'm a city fan and won't defend the owners. I also think every billionaire owner is morally bankrupt and I watch soccer for entertainment and to see extremely high quality, not to cheer for the UAE club.

I am soccer obsessed and watch tons of leagues through espn+ and paramount. If the PL isn't the best league in the world I'm very curious what is. Results in Europe as of late certainly back that up.

 

[Rogue219]

Premier League bottom five this year is pretty bad. Newcastle were bad up until January. They have Liverpool and City in the Champions League semifinals, West Ham in the Europa League semifinals and Leicester City in the Europa Conference League semifnals. If the league sweeps all three competitions maybe the conversation can reconvene.

Hard to say what the best league in the world is. Especially in the pandemic age. I remember when Serie A was the bees knees. Didn't see much fo them in Serie A, though Inter won at Anfield and their away supporters were outstanding on that evening.

I enjoy supporting Liverpool and I don't really follow many other clubs or leagues that closely outside of Champions League. I like Borussia Dortmund and Celtic because of their relationships with Liverpool. I don't live in Florida so I don't have to worry about any of this being illegal or banned in schools.

 

[DCDomer]

1. Is there a top flight league outside of like MLS maybe that doesn't have a pronounced wage gap at the top?
2. Congratulations on figuring out how relegation works and how clubs try to avoid it.
3. I feel like newcastle/city owners investing in those clubs has probably brought more attention to them than if they stayed out of the soccer world. Fans of those clubs who defend them are super lame but I don't really see that anywhere outside of an extreme minority. I'm a city fan and won't defend the owners. I also think every billionaire owner is morally bankrupt and I watch soccer for entertainment and to see extremely high quality, not to cheer for the UAE club.

I am soccer obsessed and watch tons of leagues through espn+ and paramount. If the PL isn't the best league in the world I'm very curious what is. Results in Europe as of late certainly back that up.

We're on different pages here. I mentioned the gap between the Big 6 clubs and everyone else.

Nobody has to agree with me; it's all opinions. My only point is shitting on other leagues for lack of parody is rich coming from EPL watchers.

 

[NorthDakota]

England's pub league is tougher than Germany's pub league. Ask Timo Werner.

A bit like their military, I think the German football clubs subject themselves to restrictions. They have ownership rules that operate as speed governors I think. Bayern just got so big and successful that they can operate within those restrictions and still be FC Hollywood.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Premier League bottom five this year is pretty bad. Newcastle were bad up until January. They have Liverpool and City in the Champions League semifinals, West Ham in the Europa League semifinals and Leicester City in the Europa Conference League semifnals. If the league sweeps all three competitions maybe the conversation can reconvene.

Hard to say what the best league in the world is. Especially in the pandemic age. I remember when Serie A was the bees knees. Didn't see much fo them in Serie A, though Inter won at Anfield and their away supporters were outstanding on that evening.

I enjoy supporting Liverpool and I don't really follow many other clubs or leagues that closely outside of Champions League. I like Borussia Dortmund and Celtic because of their relationships with Liverpool. I don't live in Florida so I don't have to worry about any of this being illegal or banned in schools.

Its coming. With the EPL taking the knee every game and rainbow captain arm bands, its only a matter of time before the CRT agenda is exposed.

 

[Rogue219]

Its coming. With the EPL taking the knee every game and rainbow captain arm bands, its only a matter of time before the CRT agenda is exposed.

I'm not ready for the flux of new Lazio supporters. Just putting it out there.

Five Eight Thirty has a Global Club Soccer Ranking Index. There are other websites that rank clubs in similar fashion. They explain their methodology, which I hope is different than how they predicted the results of Ohio in the 2020 election.

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I don't know if this will cause kids to be drug dealers or anything, but it is pretty interesting. They rank Celtic 57th in the world.

If you scroll way far down you can find the clubs Haaland has scored against in the Champions League.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Naive me. I enjoy watching great soccer ... end of my story here.

As to Oil Barons: I pay a cable company for a general TV package, one channel of which offers EPL soccer --- I'm having a hard time seeing how that money enriches any Middle Eastern sheiks with shekels. Also, it occurs to me that sheik money spent in England flows out to players and support staff, and they spend their money usually not on barrels of oil, so the cash ultimately gets into the "common" economy. It seems to me that filling one's car with petrol goes much more directly to oil producers than watching great EPL soccer on television. Any economic guilt argument escapes me almost totally.

As to Liverpool (my favorite) and City somehow debasing soccer, I don't care much about "Cosmic issues" like total points gained. I care about watching great soccer in individual matches. There are PLENTY of EPL teams which give the two superteams a battle, wherein you do NOT know how it's going to go. I view this as unlike the German league where Bayern is just simply going to win before things even get started. ... and lesser but "more competitive" leagues honestly just don't play as great soccer regularly as the EPL. The only non-EPL soccer that interests me is when the teams playing have a special hook, like the US national teams, or if a Notre Dame team happened to be playing.

Watching soccer should be fun and a bit awesome in anticipation of the possible. EPL rewards that. US National teams --- well, the girls usually do. The guys often manage to create a miserable experience. Fortunately, though our "other kind of football" suffers from Alabama ("Bayern"), our ND guys are more like Liverpool 90% of the time. What the message there is requires meditation. I just know that college football gets better if Georgia or Clemson at least can beat Alabama. The analogy ...?

 

[IHateMarkMay]

Wow, can't wait to see Sadio Mane and Luis Diaz against... squints eyes, checks line up again... Phil Jones?

 

[Rogue219]

Wow, can't wait to see Sadio Mane and Luis Diaz against... squints eyes, checks line up again... Phil Jones?

Glad I work from home. You made me LOL. Anything can happen. They have to play them for real.

Both clubs will wear black armbands for Ronaldo's baby and at the 7th minute there will be a standing ovation/applause.

LFC supporters were quick to get this moving for Anfield today after the news broke yesterday.

 

[DCDomer]

That lineup

ten Hag is up against it this summer

 

[IHateMarkMay]

Good on LFC supporters. It's pretty amazing how quick they made that happen.

I'm almost wondering if they are playing Jones so they can prove he can be match fit to get rid of him this transfer window.

Diaz and Mane will get four between them today.

Ten Hag announced tomorrow to take the sting away.

 

[Rogue219]

Diaz. 1-0. Four minutes in.

 

[Rogue219]

You'll Never Walk Alone being sung for Manchester United Cristiano Ronaldo.

Football, man.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

Four minutes in, one for Diaz. Ragnick looking to make a sub at 8 minutes.... 8.

Apparently Pogba is limping.

 

[NorthDakota]

Sadio Mane is absurd

 

[IHateMarkMay]

Luckily Liverpool don't need a ton of goals to make up goal differential on City...

 

[Rogue219]

Luckily Liverpool don't need a ton of goals to make up goal differential on City...

City is going to piss pound somebody 7-0 before the season is over. Watford on Saturday comes to mind.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

City is going to piss pound somebody 7-0 before the season is over. Watford on Saturday comes to mind.

Well Shit. Maybe Klopp has some respect for Rangnick and will limit it to 4 lol

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Four minutes in, one for Diaz. Ragnick looking to make a sub at 8 minutes.... 8.

Apparently Pogba is limping.

Dude needs to go. Worthless player right now. Probably doesnt want to be on the field and get blown out.

 

[DCDomer]

Pogba is going to fit in perfectly at PSG.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Phil Jones off... Sancho on.. wth

 

[Rogue219]

Well Shit. Maybe Klopp has some respect for Rangnick and will limit it to 4 lol

Ragnick is his dad and invented pressing. So I'm told.

Thiago sees things no one else can. What a player.