Derrick Rose Tore his ACL again?

[IrishSteelhead]

More embarrassing that you seem to think everyone needs to faint over themselves and say 10 Hail Mary's for Rose's knees.

Self embarrassment on a message board? Is that even possible? I will be so embarrassed next time I sit down for drinks with all if you. Oh, the shame.

Also proves how very little you think you know about a person from their posts on a message board. I haven't followed the NBA since '05. I'm a college ball fan.

Haven't followed the NBA since 05, yet a solid chunk of your posts from the last 3 years are in this thread. Like I said: OBSESSED.

 

[pumpdog20]

LOL, kind of true. Been a season ticket holder when that place was dead. Now we're good, and Conseco is packed.

But isn't that true with any team? If your good, the people will watch?

Actually no, Bulls fans always fills the UC, even when they suck.

 

[4irishnation]

^^ hahaha bulls fans!!!! lmao

 

[TK22867]

Haven't followed the NBA since 05, yet a solid chunk of your posts from the last 3 years are in this thread. Like I said: OBSESSED.

Yes, I am obsessed. Does that make your little man internet ego feel better?

Or is that what you use that large stupid a$$ signature for? You really think it is important that we all see that every time you post? If you need our support to make up for something else, we will oblige.

Ps. There is no reason for us to continue to plug up this thread. I hereby declare you the winner and I am moving on.

 

[IrishHokie22]

^^ hahaha bulls fans!!!! lmao

What exactly did he say that was incorrect?

Bulls have ranked in the top 10 in attendance (by % of seats filled) since 2004. In 07-08, the Bulls finished 33-49 and missed the playoffs, while ranking 1st in attendance. They've ranked 1st or 2nd in attendance every year since 2011.

The Pacers, meanwhile, haven't ranked in the top 10 in attendance since 2002, where they ranked 10th.

Bulls ranked 1st in attendance last season (a year without their superstar Rose), while the Pacers ranked 20th.

These are all facts, but don't let them get in the way of whatever personal vendetta you obviously have against the Bulls and their fans.

Link, in case you think I'm making these numbers up:

2013-2014 NBA Attendance - National Basketball Association - ESPN

 

[IrishHokie22]

Good to know money = a lifetime of happiness for you. Explains a lot.

I'm going to stop hammering on you now. You'll have it difficult enough as a Bulls fan over the next 10 years or so.

You're the one who implied that not having a college degree was going to hurt him, or "not give him something to fall back on." I would point out how silly you sound for saying nonsense like that, but others already have.

 

[Irish#1]

LOL @ the Pacers "fans" coming out of the woods cause they almost beat the Heat last year

Don't lump all Pacer fans on here in the same pot as TK. He does not represent the majority of Pacer fans.

Comparing two teams from dissimilar markets is a poor way to judge as well. Chicago metro has what 8-10M people, where Indy metro has 1.5-1.8M? Simple math says Chicago should be able to fill the arena easier.

Just sayin'

 

[SoDakDomer]

Medial Meniscus is usually a 6 month recovery I believe.

 

[illmatic630]

The smallest teams always have the biggest mouths.

Funny that Pacer fans want to talk about Bulls fans suffering for the next 10 years, when they've been suffering for the past 40+ years and counting not winning anything.

 

[TK22867]

Don't lump all Pacer fans on here in the same pot as TK. He does not represent the majority of Pacer fans. Just sayin'

I don't represent any segment of Pacer fans, because I am not an NBA fan, let alone a Pacer fan!

Good grief, some of you people need to learn how to read.

Just sayin'.

 

[gkIrish]

Don't really want to start a new thread so I'll just put this here...

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[blueNDgold44]

I like it, I like it a lottt.

Cleveland Cavaliers agree to trade Andrew Bynum to Chicago Bulls for Luol Deng - ESPN

 

[KPENN]

I like it, I like it a lottt.

Cleveland Cavaliers agree to trade Andrew Bynum to Chicago Bulls for Luol Deng - ESPN

So Bynum, Noah, Gibson and Boozer all in the front court... Think someone moves?

 

[Calabrese's People]

Boozer.
Amnesty.

 

[GATTACA!]

So Bynum, Noah, Gibson and Boozer all in the front court... Think someone moves?

No they are going to waive Bynum to clear up 6-8 mil. How many years are left on Dengs deal?

 

[blueNDgold44]

Wouldn't be surprised to see Taj get traded.

 

[blueNDgold44]

No they are going to waive Bynum to clear up 6-8 mil. How many years are left on Dengs deal?

Expires after this season

 

[chicago51]

Bulls going all in again on free agency again. We know how it worked out last time. Not sure why they didn't keep Deng and ride this thing out. The East stinks. Bulls could easily move up to 3rd they have 5 of 7, playing much better, starting to play lock down D again up #2 in scoring defense in the NBA only behind the Pacers.

Rose may play in the playoffs. If you can get to the second round of the playoffs you never know stuff can happen. Why not give it one more shot with this core? Maybe Lebron goes down or something. You never know.

Even they were going to lose Deng anyway at the end of the season to me it makes no sense to trade him for some mid 1st round and 2nd round picks. Mine as well traded him for some used furniture and a half eaten pizza. I guess the Bulls are good at finding steels in the daft like Gibson and Butler. Still though I think they could have gotten more for Deng at the deadline.

This trade made absolutely no sense to me.

 

[woolybug25]

The Bulls wouldn't trade Deng for Kobe Bryant in '07, but will take Bynum?

 

[peoriairish]

The Bulls wouldn't trade Deng for Kobe Bryant in '07, but will take Bynum?

Rebuilding. They are going to release his ASAP and that will get them in under the luxury tax. They also got a good pick in the deal. Without Deng, they will lose more games, almost guaranteeing the Bulls into the lottery.

Deng turned down 10 mil from the Bulls. They didn't want to pay more.

 

[Irish#1]

Rebuilding. They are going to release his ASAP and that will get them in under the luxury tax. They also got a good pick in the deal. Without Deng, they will lose more games, almost guaranteeing the Bulls into the lottery.

Deng turned down 10 mil from the Bulls. They didn't want to pay more.

Listening to Chris Mannix from SI, you're right on target. Going to rebuild. They will use the pick to find a replacement for Boozer. Not happy with his performance in the playoffs. I wonder if Rose will ever be the same?

 

[woolybug25]

Rebuilding. They are going to release his ASAP and that will get them in under the luxury tax. They also got a good pick in the deal. Without Deng, they will lose more games, almost guaranteeing the Bulls into the lottery.

Deng turned down 10 mil from the Bulls. They didn't want to pay more.

We only get their pick if it falls outside of the top 12 though. I guess it's still a 1st rounder, but the NBA draft really has a lot of it's stars in the lottery.

That being said, we have 3 first round picks this year right? 1) ours 2) Cav's pick from JJ Hickson trade in '11 (if it falls outside of 12) and 3) this one for Deng (if it falls outside of 12).

Do I have that right?

 

[GBdomer]

Rebuilding and I really like this move. We aren't doing anything for the next couple years. Trade Boozer or just dump him.

 

[chicago51]

Rebuilding and I really like this move. We aren't doing anything for the next couple years. Trade Boozer or just dump him.

Since Boozer was signed before the new CBA they can use the amnesty provision on his contract. Bulls still have to pay Boozer but his contract comes off the books in terms of salary cap. However, even without resigning Deng and the amnesty of Boozer and their other expiring contracts it only puts about 10 million under the salary cap not nearly enough for a max free agent like Carmelo Anthony.

Bulls are great at finding steels in the daft but I still don't know why hey traded Deng for mid 1st round picks.

Bulls had won 5 of 7 coming into tonight. Defense is 3rd in efficiency 2nd in points allowed, and was really shutting teams down again as of late. I don't see why they didn't just ride out the season and then rebuild. They could have probably moved up to the 3rd seed in the east or at least the the top 5 (already up to 6 now). I know some say title or bust but as a Bulls fan I'd take a 2nd round playoff series with either Miami or Indiana.

 

[woolybug25]

Since Boozer was signed before the new CBA they can use the amnesty provision on his contract. Bulls still have to pay Boozer but his contract comes off the books in terms of salary cap. However, even without resigning Deng and the amnesty of Boozer and their other expiring contracts it only puts about 10 million under the salary cap not nearly enough for a max free agent like Carmelo Anthony.

Bulls are great at finding steels in the daft but I still don't know why hey traded Deng for mid 1st round picks.

Bulls had won 5 of 7 coming into tonight. Defense is 3rd in efficiency 2nd in points allowed, and was really shutting teams down again as of late. I don't see why they didn't just ride out the season and then rebuild. They could have probably moved up to the 3rd seed in the east or at least the the top 5 (already up to 6 now). I know some say title or bust but as a Bulls fan I'd take a 2nd round playoff series with either Miami or Indiana.

I feel the same.

reps.

 

[IrishHokie22]

We only get their pick if it falls outside of the top 12 though. I guess it's still a 1st rounder, but the NBA draft really has a lot of it's stars in the lottery.

That being said, we have 3 first round picks this year right? 1) ours 2) Cav's pick from JJ Hickson trade in '11 (if it falls outside of 12) and 3) this one for Deng (if it falls outside of 12).

Do I have that right?

Not exactly. The pick we acquired from Cleveland is the pick they had from Sacramento from the JJ Hickson trade. The pick is top 12 protected this year (so it's unlikely we'll get it), and top 10 protected from 2015-2017. If Sacramento picks in the top 10 in each of those seasons, then the pick converts into a 2nd round pick. We didn't get any other 1st round pick for Deng other than the Sacramento pick.

We also received two 2nd round picks from Portland (one each in 2015 and 2016) and the right to swap picks with Cleveland in 2015, as long as Cleveland isn't picking in the lottery (top 14). So, if they're picking 16th for example, and we're picking something like 25th, then we can swap picks with them.

As it currently stands, we'll only definitely have our 1st round pick in the upcoming draft. If Sacramento falls below 12th (unlikely), we get their pick. We also own Charlotte's pick if it falls outside the top 10 (certainly possible). If it doesn't, it is top 8 protected next year and completely unprotected in 2016.

 

[IrishHokie22]

Since Boozer was signed before the new CBA they can use the amnesty provision on his contract. Bulls still have to pay Boozer but his contract comes off the books in terms of salary cap. However, even without resigning Deng and the amnesty of Boozer and their other expiring contracts it only puts about 10 million under the salary cap not nearly enough for a max free agent like Carmelo Anthony.

Bulls are great at finding steels in the daft but I still don't know why hey traded Deng for mid 1st round picks.

Bulls had won 5 of 7 coming into tonight. Defense is 3rd in efficiency 2nd in points allowed, and was really shutting teams down again as of late. I don't see why they didn't just ride out the season and then rebuild. They could have probably moved up to the 3rd seed in the east or at least the the top 5 (already up to 6 now). I know some say title or bust but as a Bulls fan I'd take a 2nd round playoff series with either Miami or Indiana.

I have to disagree with you and Wooly on this. This is a lost season for the Bulls, as we've known for two months now that Derrick Rose isn't coming back. All realistic Bulls fans know that we didn't have a chance at winning a title without him.

The Bulls are taking a long-term approach to this season, which I feel is the right move. Trading Deng will likely result in more losses for the Bulls, possibly enough to keep them out of the playoffs. The upcoming draft class is loaded, as it's said to be the best since LeBron's class in 2003. I would much rather see the Bulls lose games and land a top 10 pick in this upcoming draft than have a repeat of last season, which was making the playoffs, possibly winning a 1st round series, and then getting spanked by Miami or Indiana.

The Bulls and Deng were miles apart in contract negotiations. It was much wiser to trade him for whatever assets they could instead of letting him walk for nothing in free agency. This pick was good for the Bulls on three levels: 1) they're likely going to lose a lot more games now, improving their draft pick 2) they acquired a few picks for Deng, which is better than nothing 3) this deal gets them out of the luxury tax, which is important because it will help them avoid the dreaded repeater tax in future seasons.

I really doubt the Bulls are done dealing either. Hinrich is likely next to go, and I wouldn't be shocked to see Dunleavy traded as well. I hope Dunleavy is traded, personally. It sucks, but as a diehard Bulls fan, I'm rooting for lots and lots of losses this season as I want to see the Bulls land a top pick.

Just one fan's opinion, obviously.

 

[chicago51]

You make a good point on the repeater tax.

Jerry R is cheep. It is frustrating that the Bulls a big market team, one of the few NBA teams that consistently makes a profit (most NBA teams lose money) behave like a small market team.

That said the repeater penalty is very harsh even for rich teams.

 

[Rhode Irish]

People hating on this deal don't understand the NBA. You can't hang onto a core that can't win big too long. It is like poker. Know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em. Hopefully they institute the wheel or something, but for now this is how the league works.

 

[woolybug25]

People hating on this deal don't understand the NBA. You can't hang onto a core that can't win big too long. It is like poker. Know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em. Hopefully they institute the wheel or something, but for now this is how the league works.

Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean that they don't have an understanding of the topic. If everyone that doesn't think this is a good deal is so stupid… then take it up with Thibodeau. He hates the deal and is one of the best basketball minds out there.

Chicago Bulls understand why Tom Thibodeau unhappy with Luol Deng trade - ESPN Chicago

- Most big dollar free agents usually does a sign and trade vs a simple free agent contract.
- You don't get a free pass to the playoffs every year. Giving up a chance to make the show, simply because you don't think you are good enough to beat a certain team is a loser's mentality, imo.
- The repeater tax could have been avoided by dumping Boozer and sign and trading Deng. AFTER you exhaust your playoff aspirations.
- It's also total disrespect to Thibodeau, who voiced his opinion (see article). He is a great coach, and the front office totally bullied him here.