Democratic Primary Thread (New Poll - January)
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Saw this floating around on Twitter. Is this correct?
Not really, because the 52% tax would kick in ABOVE $29k as I understand it. But in general.... yeah it's fucking jarring. This dude is literally proposing taking tens of thousands of dollars out of my pocket every year and I will get NOTHING but worse healthcare.
Y'all know I'm very anti-Trump, but I will not vote for guy proposing to ruin my life. It's that simple. Time to go buy a MAGA hat, I guess.
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I linked his tax plan from his senate site above, but assumed it was old. 52% doesn't kick in till 10M. Did he chance the plan to over 29K? I'm confused. I thought the capture posted was just BS disinformation.
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I honestly have no idea, I do know that his tax plan puts heavy taxes over $29k... Buttigieg talked about this at last debate... I just have no clue what the actual brackets. I do not believe the 52% number kicks in until way above 29k, but I do know that I lose $10k+ via https://www.sandershealthcare2020.com/
And that $10k+ is assuming his math is remotely accurate, which many are saying it isn't.
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All Trump's campaign would need to do in a Bernie showdown is say "lmao look at this shit" and it's over.
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If Bernie wins the nomination, Trump will create a "Bernie Income Calculator" site that will scare the bejesus out of everyone. I don't hate Trump. I think he's disgusting in a lot of ways, but the left is F'ing crazy right now, and trending crazier. It's a race to craziest. And it's not going to change. If that is the alternative, Trump 4eva
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Bernie will only give more to the ones that don’t work now. I will be so glad when his old ass is done running for President.
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FEBRUARY 23, 2020 / 1:17 AM / UPDATED 39 MINUTES AGO
Broad-based support powers Sanders to big win in Nevada Democratic vote
Sharon Bernstein, John Whitesides
LAS VEGAS (Reuters) - Broad-based support across age, racial and ideological groups propelled Bernie Sanders to a dominant victory in Nevada’s Democratic caucuses, tightening his grip on the front-runner spot in the race to find a challenger to President Donald Trump.
Joe Biden, the former vice president, appeared headed to a badly needed second-place finish in Nevada after poor showings earlier this month in the first two nominating contests in the Democratic presidential race ahead of the Nov. 3 election.
Sanders’ triumph on Saturday in the first racially diverse state in the campaign suggested he was reaching a broader coalition of Democratic voters with his unapologetic message of social and economic justice, including his signature pledge to provide universal healthcare for all Americans.
For Biden and other moderates who argue Sanders is too liberal to beat Trump and who have been trying to blunt his momentum, however, the Nevada results made the job much harder.
“We have put together a multi-generational, multiracial coalition that is going to not only win in Nevada, it’s going to sweep the country,” Sanders, a U.S. senator from Vermont and self-described democratic socialist, told cheering supporters in San Antonio, Texas.
With 50% of the precincts reporting, Sanders had 47% of the county convention delegates in Nevada. Biden was a distant second to Sanders with 19%, but ahead of former Mayor Pete Buttigieg of South Bend, Indiana, in third with 15%.
“The press is ready to declare people dead quickly, but we’re alive and we’re coming back and we’re gonna win,” Biden told supporters in Las Vegas on Saturday night.
Senator Elizabeth Warren, who had been looking to jump-start her campaign after poor finishes in Iowa and New Hampshire, trailed in a disappointing fourth with 10% in Nevada. Senator Amy Klobuchar and activist billionaire Tom Steyer were well back at 5% and 4%, respectively.
Buttigieg cautioned Democrats about nominating Sanders, portraying him as an ideologue who would divide the country and lose to Trump.
“We can prioritize either ideological purity or inclusive victory. We can either call people names online or we can call them into our movement. We can either tighten a narrow and hardcore base or open the tent to a new, broad, big-hearted American coalition,” Buttigieg told supporters in Las Vegas.
BROADENING RACE
The race now begins to broaden across the country, with the next primary on Saturday in South Carolina, followed closely by the Super Tuesday contests in 14 states on March 3 that pick more than one-third of the pledged delegates who will help select a Democratic nominee.
Biden, the No. 2 to former President Barack Obama, is counting on a strong showing in South Carolina, which has a large bloc of black voters. In Nevada, entrance polls showed Biden led among African Americans with 36%, followed by Sanders with 27%.
The Super Tuesday states will be the first nominating contests for former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who has not been competing in the four early voting states but had been rising in opinion polls.
“The Nevada results reinforce the reality that this fragmented field is putting Bernie Sanders on pace to amass an insurmountable delegate lead,” Bloomberg campaign manager Kevin Sheekey said in a statement.
Voters poured into more than 250 caucus sites around Nevada, where Sanders was aided by strong support from the six in 10 voters who said they backed a government-run Medicare for All, the Edison entrance poll showed.
The entrance poll showed Sanders led in Nevada across all age groups except for those older than 65. Around 54% of Latino voters said they backed him, while 24% of college-educated white women and 34% of those who have a union member in their families supported him.
He also won with college graduates, and was the top pick of voters who consider themselves independents. He also was favored over Biden among voters whose top priority is defeating Trump in the November election.
Warren shrugged off her poor finish in Nevada, saying she got a boost in fundraising and support from an aggressive debate performance on Wednesday - which came too late to affect early voting in the first part of the week.
“We have a lot of states to go, and right now I can feel the momentum,” Warren said at a rally in Seattle.
On Twitter, Trump appeared to be enjoying the Democratic race.
“Looks like Crazy Bernie is doing well in the Great State of Nevada. Biden & the rest look weak, & no way Mini Mike,” Trump wrote, the last a reference to Bloomberg.
Nevada caucus officials and voters at multiple sites on Saturday reported voting rules confusion, calculation glitches and delays in reporting tallies - despite efforts to avoid the issues that plagued Iowa’s caucuses earlier this month.
After a technical meltdown delayed results in Iowa, state officials promised a revised reporting system using a telephone hotline and photos of caucus reporting sheets would ensure a smoother process. Nevertheless, precinct chairs at some caucuses experienced long waits on the phone lines.
Four days of early voting in Nevada this week drew more than 75,000 Democrats, more than half first-time voters, putting the party in position to surpass the turnout record of 118,000 in 2008, when Obama’s candidacy electrified the party.
But those early votes had to be counted along with those cast on Saturday, slowing the process.
Broad-based support powers Sanders to big win in Nevada Democratic vote
Sharon Bernstein, John Whitesides
LAS VEGAS (Reuters) - Broad-based support across age, racial and ideological groups propelled Bernie Sanders to a dominant victory in Nevada’s Democratic caucuses, tightening his grip on the front-runner spot in the race to find a challenger to President Donald Trump.
Joe Biden, the former vice president, appeared headed to a badly needed second-place finish in Nevada after poor showings earlier this month in the first two nominating contests in the Democratic presidential race ahead of the Nov. 3 election.
Sanders’ triumph on Saturday in the first racially diverse state in the campaign suggested he was reaching a broader coalition of Democratic voters with his unapologetic message of social and economic justice, including his signature pledge to provide universal healthcare for all Americans.
For Biden and other moderates who argue Sanders is too liberal to beat Trump and who have been trying to blunt his momentum, however, the Nevada results made the job much harder.
“We have put together a multi-generational, multiracial coalition that is going to not only win in Nevada, it’s going to sweep the country,” Sanders, a U.S. senator from Vermont and self-described democratic socialist, told cheering supporters in San Antonio, Texas.
With 50% of the precincts reporting, Sanders had 47% of the county convention delegates in Nevada. Biden was a distant second to Sanders with 19%, but ahead of former Mayor Pete Buttigieg of South Bend, Indiana, in third with 15%.
“The press is ready to declare people dead quickly, but we’re alive and we’re coming back and we’re gonna win,” Biden told supporters in Las Vegas on Saturday night.
Senator Elizabeth Warren, who had been looking to jump-start her campaign after poor finishes in Iowa and New Hampshire, trailed in a disappointing fourth with 10% in Nevada. Senator Amy Klobuchar and activist billionaire Tom Steyer were well back at 5% and 4%, respectively.
Buttigieg cautioned Democrats about nominating Sanders, portraying him as an ideologue who would divide the country and lose to Trump.
“We can prioritize either ideological purity or inclusive victory. We can either call people names online or we can call them into our movement. We can either tighten a narrow and hardcore base or open the tent to a new, broad, big-hearted American coalition,” Buttigieg told supporters in Las Vegas.
BROADENING RACE
The race now begins to broaden across the country, with the next primary on Saturday in South Carolina, followed closely by the Super Tuesday contests in 14 states on March 3 that pick more than one-third of the pledged delegates who will help select a Democratic nominee.
Biden, the No. 2 to former President Barack Obama, is counting on a strong showing in South Carolina, which has a large bloc of black voters. In Nevada, entrance polls showed Biden led among African Americans with 36%, followed by Sanders with 27%.
The Super Tuesday states will be the first nominating contests for former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who has not been competing in the four early voting states but had been rising in opinion polls.
“The Nevada results reinforce the reality that this fragmented field is putting Bernie Sanders on pace to amass an insurmountable delegate lead,” Bloomberg campaign manager Kevin Sheekey said in a statement.
Voters poured into more than 250 caucus sites around Nevada, where Sanders was aided by strong support from the six in 10 voters who said they backed a government-run Medicare for All, the Edison entrance poll showed.
The entrance poll showed Sanders led in Nevada across all age groups except for those older than 65. Around 54% of Latino voters said they backed him, while 24% of college-educated white women and 34% of those who have a union member in their families supported him.
He also won with college graduates, and was the top pick of voters who consider themselves independents. He also was favored over Biden among voters whose top priority is defeating Trump in the November election.
Warren shrugged off her poor finish in Nevada, saying she got a boost in fundraising and support from an aggressive debate performance on Wednesday - which came too late to affect early voting in the first part of the week.
“We have a lot of states to go, and right now I can feel the momentum,” Warren said at a rally in Seattle.
On Twitter, Trump appeared to be enjoying the Democratic race.
“Looks like Crazy Bernie is doing well in the Great State of Nevada. Biden & the rest look weak, & no way Mini Mike,” Trump wrote, the last a reference to Bloomberg.
Nevada caucus officials and voters at multiple sites on Saturday reported voting rules confusion, calculation glitches and delays in reporting tallies - despite efforts to avoid the issues that plagued Iowa’s caucuses earlier this month.
After a technical meltdown delayed results in Iowa, state officials promised a revised reporting system using a telephone hotline and photos of caucus reporting sheets would ensure a smoother process. Nevertheless, precinct chairs at some caucuses experienced long waits on the phone lines.
Four days of early voting in Nevada this week drew more than 75,000 Democrats, more than half first-time voters, putting the party in position to surpass the turnout record of 118,000 in 2008, when Obama’s candidacy electrified the party.
But those early votes had to be counted along with those cast on Saturday, slowing the process.
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MSNBC's Chris Matthews compares Sanders' Nevada win to France's fall to Nazis, draws calls for his firing
By Brie Stimson | Fox News
MSNBC’s Chris Matthews drew ire on social media Saturday after he compared the Nevada Democratic caucus victory of U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders to France's fall to the Nazis in 1940.
“I'm reading last night about the fall of France in the summer of 1940," Matthews said during the netowk's caucus coverage. "And the general calls up Churchill and says, ‘It’s over,’ and Churchill says, ‘How can it be? You got the greatest army in Europe. How can it be over?’ He said, ‘It's over.’”
The backlash on Twitter was swift and severe, with many commenters calling for Matthews to resign or be fired. Many pointed out that Sanders' family includes survivors of the Holocaust.
But Larry O'Connor, a commentator with the Washington Examiner and KABC radio in Los Angeles, shared a different view.
"For the past four years," O'Connor wrote, "Donald Trump has been incessantly likened to Hitler and his supporters to Nazis, so to all the outraged Dems screaming about Chris Matthews making a clumsy, innocuous comparison between Bernie's win and 1940 France, may I just say..."
During his commentary, Matthews expressed doubts about Sanders' chances in November if he goes on to win the Democratic nomination and face President Trump.
“It looks like Bernie Sanders is hard to beat right now,” Matthews said. “I’m with [James] Carville all the way in terms of the dangers of what lies ahead in November. They’re sitting on so much oppo research on Bernie.”
Matthews said Republicans would “kill” Sanders in the general election but right now “it’s a little late to stop him.”
MSNBC's Chris Matthews compares Sanders' Nevada win to France's fall to Nazis, draws calls for his firing
By Brie Stimson | Fox News
MSNBC’s Chris Matthews drew ire on social media Saturday after he compared the Nevada Democratic caucus victory of U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders to France's fall to the Nazis in 1940.
“I'm reading last night about the fall of France in the summer of 1940," Matthews said during the netowk's caucus coverage. "And the general calls up Churchill and says, ‘It’s over,’ and Churchill says, ‘How can it be? You got the greatest army in Europe. How can it be over?’ He said, ‘It's over.’”
The backlash on Twitter was swift and severe, with many commenters calling for Matthews to resign or be fired. Many pointed out that Sanders' family includes survivors of the Holocaust.
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Chris Matthews needs to step down or be fired!
These comments are completely out of line. We need journalism not hyperbolic hysteria. #FireChrisMatthewshttps://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/chris-matthews-bernie-sanders-022024087.html …
MSNBC's Chris Matthews Compares Bernie Sanders Winning To The Nazis Taking France
Sure, those two things are the same.
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12:29 AM - Feb 23, 2020 · Wichita, KS
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This is amazing. Chris Matthews ages live on camera the #NVCaucus lead becomes insurmountable and he lashes out comparing first Jewish frontrunner to Nazis.
11:24 PM - Feb 22, 2020
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This is absolutely disgusting on @HardballChris’s part.
5:10 PM - Feb 22, 2020 · Chicago, IL
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so yeah Chris Matthews should be out of a job for comparing Bernie’s win to the fall of France to the Nazis in WWII, goodnight everybody
11:56 PM - Feb 22, 2020
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Chris Matthews just compared a Jewish man (who is running on a platform of equality) to the Nazis occupying France. This is beyond inappropriate https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1231353446336548867 …
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MSNBC’s Chris Matthews likens Sanders victory in Nevada to Nazi Germany overrunning France in 1940: “It’s too late to stop him … it’s over”
8:07 PM - Feb 22, 2020
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Chris Matthews needs to step down or be fired!
These comments are completely out of line. We need journalism not hyperbolic hysteria. #FireChrisMatthewshttps://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/chris-matthews-bernie-sanders-022024087.html …
MSNBC's Chris Matthews Compares Bernie Sanders Winning To The Nazis Taking France
Sure, those two things are the same.
yahoo.com
12:29 AM - Feb 23, 2020 · Wichita, KS
𝚂𝚘𝚌𝚒𝚊𝚕𝚒𝚜𝚝 𝙱𝚘𝚘𝚖𝚎𝚛
@SocialistBoomer
This is amazing. Chris Matthews ages live on camera the #NVCaucus lead becomes insurmountable and he lashes out comparing first Jewish frontrunner to Nazis.
11:24 PM - Feb 22, 2020
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This is absolutely disgusting on @HardballChris’s part.
5:10 PM - Feb 22, 2020 · Chicago, IL
Callisto 🪐✨
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so yeah Chris Matthews should be out of a job for comparing Bernie’s win to the fall of France to the Nazis in WWII, goodnight everybody
11:56 PM - Feb 22, 2020
Carolyn Agee
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Chris Matthews just compared a Jewish man (who is running on a platform of equality) to the Nazis occupying France. This is beyond inappropriate https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1231353446336548867 …
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MSNBC’s Chris Matthews likens Sanders victory in Nevada to Nazi Germany overrunning France in 1940: “It’s too late to stop him … it’s over”
8:07 PM - Feb 22, 2020
But Larry O'Connor, a commentator with the Washington Examiner and KABC radio in Los Angeles, shared a different view.
"For the past four years," O'Connor wrote, "Donald Trump has been incessantly likened to Hitler and his supporters to Nazis, so to all the outraged Dems screaming about Chris Matthews making a clumsy, innocuous comparison between Bernie's win and 1940 France, may I just say..."
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For the past four years Donald Trump has been incessantly likened to Hitler and his supporters to Nazis, so to all the outraged Dems screaming about Chris Matthews making a clumsy, innocuous comparison between Bernie's win and 1940 France, may I just say...
11:06 PM - Feb 22, 2020
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For the past four years Donald Trump has been incessantly likened to Hitler and his supporters to Nazis, so to all the outraged Dems screaming about Chris Matthews making a clumsy, innocuous comparison between Bernie's win and 1940 France, may I just say...
11:06 PM - Feb 22, 2020
During his commentary, Matthews expressed doubts about Sanders' chances in November if he goes on to win the Democratic nomination and face President Trump.
“It looks like Bernie Sanders is hard to beat right now,” Matthews said. “I’m with [James] Carville all the way in terms of the dangers of what lies ahead in November. They’re sitting on so much oppo research on Bernie.”
Matthews said Republicans would “kill” Sanders in the general election but right now “it’s a little late to stop him.”
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Linda Ronstadt says Trump is Hitler, Chris Matthews says Bernie's win is like France falling to Germany. Why can't these people make comparisons that don't involve WWII? A lot has happened since the 40s, you can make modern comparisons!
I understood Matthews comment as the powers that be, the DNC/British Expeditionary Force, got blitzkrieged by the upstart, Bernie/Wehrmacht
Ronstadt has an apparent weak knowledge of events in the 20s and 30s.
Interestingly CNN's Chris Cillizza wrote a piece last night that Bernie has declared war on the Democratic Establishment.
Bernie tweet:
I've got news for the Republican establishment.
I've got news for the Democratic establishment. They can't stop us.
I've got news for the Democratic establishment. They can't stop us.
To paraphrase in Chris Matthews vernacular:
Senator Guderian's tanks have ripped through Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada and the DNC is backed up to the sea at Dunkirk with no hope of rescue by the Little Ship Armada on Super Tuesday.
To paraphrase the Hollywood Hyperbole crowd:
COMRADE SANDERS T-34s CRUSHED HITLER'S PANZERS!
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So who takes over for Trump after 2024? I'm not sure Pence has the charisma to make it happen. Do the Dems backpedal and let AOC take over for the establishment? I think she would just come in at the minimum 35 age barrier before she's sworn in, should she win.
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I don't agree with the below from Axios at all. I could get behind Haley though. For entertainment value, add Cocaine Mitch and L Graham. As far as the Dems, they'll continue to self destruct with candidates like AOC and Abrams.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/r...-for-the-2024-election-more-trumps-2020-01-06
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/01/03/2024-presidential-election-candidates-091055
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...ey_conservative_fueling_2024_speculation.html
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I don't agree with the below from Axios at all. I could get behind Haley though. For entertainment value, add Cocaine Mitch and L Graham. As far as the Dems, they'll continue to self destruct with candidates like AOC and Abrams.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/r...-for-the-2024-election-more-trumps-2020-01-06
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/01/03/2024-presidential-election-candidates-091055
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...ey_conservative_fueling_2024_speculation.html
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I want Ben Shapiro to run but he won't.
I think it's too hard to tell. Trump changed the gamenby not being a politician.
Who knows what 2023/2024 hold.
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Trump accuses Schiff of leaking intelligence about Russia to hurt Sanders
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ce-about-russia-to-hurt-sanders-idUSKCN20H0H8
And even CNN is now calling BS on the latest reports saying Russia was trying to help Trump this year.
US intelligence briefer appears to have overstated assessment of 2020 Russian interference
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/23/poli...russian-interference-trump-sanders/index.html
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ce-about-russia-to-hurt-sanders-idUSKCN20H0H8
And even CNN is now calling BS on the latest reports saying Russia was trying to help Trump this year.
US intelligence briefer appears to have overstated assessment of 2020 Russian interference
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/23/poli...russian-interference-trump-sanders/index.html
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Bernie Sanders defends Fidel Castro's socialist Cuba: 'Unfair to simply say everything is bad'
By Vandana Rambaran | Fox News
Sen. Bernie Sanders, the frontrunner for the Democrats' presidential nomination, doubled down on his support for some of Cuban dictator Fidel Castro's policies, saying in an interview that aired Sunday, "it's unfair to simply say everything is bad."
Speaking to CBS News' "60 Minutes," Sanders, a self-proclaimed democratic socialist, pointed to social welfare programs introduced under Castro's regime that he described as redeeming, despite the communist dictator's often repressive human-rights violations against Cubans.
"We're very opposed to the authoritarian nature of Cuba but you know, it's unfair to simply say everything is bad. You know? When Fidel Castro came into office, you know what he did? He had a massive literacy program. Is that a bad thing? Even though Fidel Castro did it?" Sanders told Anderson Cooper.
Fidel Castro relinquished power to his brother, Raúl, in 2011 after nearly half a century in charge of the island nation; Fidel died in 2016.
Some Republicans jumped on Sanders' comments. "It really makes a difference when those you murder at the firing squad can read & write," Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, tweeted.
In a resurfaced speech given at the University of Vermont in 1986, Sanders praised the socialist policies implemented in Cuba by the Castro regime and criticized bipartisan efforts in the U.S. to tamp down on Castro's spread of communism.
While Sanders said in the new interview he "condemns" any human rights violations Castro committed, he also took aim at President Trump for his unlikely friendships with some dictators or strongman leaders, including North Korea's Kim Jong Un and Russia's Vladimir Putin.
"I do not think that Kim Jong Un is a good friend," Sanders said. "I don't trade love letters with a murdering dictator. Vladimir Putin, not a great friend of mine."
Despite victories in all three of the earliest state contests, the Vermont senator has faced criticism from other party contenders, including billionaire Michael Bloomberg, who lambasted his socialist policies declaring they would never fare in a November matchup with Trump.
Sanders went on to define his brand of democratic socialism, which has tapped into a more progressive ideology that has been gaining traction with young voters across the country.
Bernie Sanders holds onto front runner status with Nevada primary winVideo
"When Donald Trump was a private businessman in New York, he got $800 million in tax breaks and subsidies to build luxury housing. That's called corporate socialism. What democratic socialism is about is saying, 'Let's use the federal government to protect the interests of working families,'" he explained.
Trump has used Sanders' policy initiatives, including "Medicare-for-all" and free college tuition and elimination of student loan debt, to take aim at the senator, even going so far as to label him a communist.
"You know what? We will fight back," Sanders said of these attacks. "This is what we will bring up... that the president of the United States is a pathological liar, and it is increasingly clear that many people just don't believe anything that he says. He is a fraud. I look forward to taking him on."
Bernie Sanders defends Fidel Castro's socialist Cuba: 'Unfair to simply say everything is bad'
By Vandana Rambaran | Fox News
Sen. Bernie Sanders, the frontrunner for the Democrats' presidential nomination, doubled down on his support for some of Cuban dictator Fidel Castro's policies, saying in an interview that aired Sunday, "it's unfair to simply say everything is bad."
Speaking to CBS News' "60 Minutes," Sanders, a self-proclaimed democratic socialist, pointed to social welfare programs introduced under Castro's regime that he described as redeeming, despite the communist dictator's often repressive human-rights violations against Cubans.
"We're very opposed to the authoritarian nature of Cuba but you know, it's unfair to simply say everything is bad. You know? When Fidel Castro came into office, you know what he did? He had a massive literacy program. Is that a bad thing? Even though Fidel Castro did it?" Sanders told Anderson Cooper.
Fidel Castro relinquished power to his brother, Raúl, in 2011 after nearly half a century in charge of the island nation; Fidel died in 2016.
Some Republicans jumped on Sanders' comments. "It really makes a difference when those you murder at the firing squad can read & write," Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, tweeted.
In a resurfaced speech given at the University of Vermont in 1986, Sanders praised the socialist policies implemented in Cuba by the Castro regime and criticized bipartisan efforts in the U.S. to tamp down on Castro's spread of communism.
While Sanders said in the new interview he "condemns" any human rights violations Castro committed, he also took aim at President Trump for his unlikely friendships with some dictators or strongman leaders, including North Korea's Kim Jong Un and Russia's Vladimir Putin.
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Bernie Sanders defends his 1980s comments about Fidel Castro in an interview on 60 Minutes. https://cbsn.ws/2Pis7uC
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Bernie Sanders defends his 1980s comments about Fidel Castro in an interview on 60 Minutes. https://cbsn.ws/2Pis7uC
6:09 PM - Feb 23, 2020
"I do not think that Kim Jong Un is a good friend," Sanders said. "I don't trade love letters with a murdering dictator. Vladimir Putin, not a great friend of mine."
Despite victories in all three of the earliest state contests, the Vermont senator has faced criticism from other party contenders, including billionaire Michael Bloomberg, who lambasted his socialist policies declaring they would never fare in a November matchup with Trump.
Sanders went on to define his brand of democratic socialism, which has tapped into a more progressive ideology that has been gaining traction with young voters across the country.
Bernie Sanders holds onto front runner status with Nevada primary winVideo
"When Donald Trump was a private businessman in New York, he got $800 million in tax breaks and subsidies to build luxury housing. That's called corporate socialism. What democratic socialism is about is saying, 'Let's use the federal government to protect the interests of working families,'" he explained.
Trump has used Sanders' policy initiatives, including "Medicare-for-all" and free college tuition and elimination of student loan debt, to take aim at the senator, even going so far as to label him a communist.
"You know what? We will fight back," Sanders said of these attacks. "This is what we will bring up... that the president of the United States is a pathological liar, and it is increasingly clear that many people just don't believe anything that he says. He is a fraud. I look forward to taking him on."
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Bernie doesn't know how he's going to pay for all of his programs. From CNN.com
Bernie Sanders' disastrous answer on '60 Minutes'
Analysis by Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large
Updated 12:12 PM ET, Mon February 24, 2020
(CNN)Bernie Sanders, the clear front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination, was asked over the weekend how much his various plans would cost if implemented. He didn't know.
Here's the exchange between Sanders and Anderson Cooper on "60 Minutes":
Cooper: Do you know how all -- how much though? I mean, do you have a price tag for -- for all of this?
Sanders: We do. I mean, you know, and -- and-- the price tag is -- it will be substantially less than letting the current system go. I think it's about $30 trillion.
Cooper: That's just for "Medicare for All," you're talking about?
Sanders: That's just "Medicare for All," yes.
Cooper: Do you have -- a price tag for all of these things?
Sanders: No, I don't. We try to -- no, you mentioned making public colleges and universities tuition free and canceling all student debt, that's correct. That's what I want to do. We pay for that through a modest tax on Wall Street speculation.
Cooper: But you say you don't know what the total price is, but you know how it's gonna be paid for. How do you know it's gonna be paid for if you don't know how much the price is?
Sanders: Well, I can't -- you know, I can't rattle off to you every nickel and every dime. But we have accounted for -- you -- you talked about "Medicare for All." We have options out there that will pay for it.
What? So, Sanders not only a) isn't sure how much all of his proposals would cost but also b) isn't able to say how he would pay for these programs. That strikes me as a potential weak spot if/when Sanders winds up as the Democratic nominee against President Donald Trump.
Which is the point that former Vice President Joe Biden's campaign immediately sought to make. "For the second time in the last month, Senator Sanders has admitted that he does not know the astronomical price tag that his massive new programs would force onto American families," said Biden deputy campaign manager Kate Bedingfield. "That's untenable."
And in a weekend memo from the Democratic centrist group Third Way warning the party of the perils of nominating Sanders, authors Jonathan Cowan and Matt Bennett write:
"Experts estimate that Sanders' major proposals would cost a staggering $60 trillion and would double the size of the government (while his tax plans fall $27 trillion short of paying for it). There's a reason that, when pressed on the cost of his plans, Sanders simply refuses to answer, saying he actually has no idea and 'no one does.'"
That $60 trillion number comes from The Atlantic's Ron Brownstein, a CNN contributor, who broke down the costs of Sanders' proposals like "Medicare for All," the "Green New Deal" and free tuition at public colleges and arrived at that stunning price tag.
Just how big a number is that? This, from Brownstein, puts the $60 trillion in spending proposals in very clear context:
"The Vermont independent's agenda represents an expansion of government's cost and size unprecedented since World War II, according to estimates from his own website and projections by a wide variety of fiscal experts.
"Sanders' plan, though all of its costs cannot be precisely quantified, would increase government spending as a share of the economy far more than the New Deal under President Franklin Roosevelt, the Great Society under Lyndon Johnson or the agenda proposed by any recent Democratic presidential nominee, including liberal George McGovern in 1972, according to a historical analysis shared with CNN by Larry Summers, the former chief White House economic adviser for Barack Obama and treasury secretary for Bill Clinton."
Now consider that there is no estimate from any credible budgeting service that suggests that the government would be able to bring in the sort of revenue needed to pay for that spending surge over the next decade. Sanders' plan to raise taxes on the wealthy and corporations would close some of that gap, but a study from a fellow at the Manhattan Institute (a conservative think tank) cited by Brownstein suggests the top end of revenue from the Sanders' tax increases is $23 trillion.
Sanders doesn't talk much about the price tag of what he's proposing or the very real likelihood that his tax plan will not be enough to fill the spending gap he would create. Which makes sense -- because, politically speaking, the idea of raising taxes on what we broadly consider the middle class isn't terribly popular among, well, the middle class. (Raising taxes on the wealthy or corporations, on the other hand, is a stone-cold winner politically.)
But Sanders once did admit the harsh reality of how his plans would be paid for during a debate over the summer. Here's the exchange between Sanders and NBC's Savannah Guthrie (bolding is mine):
Guthrie: Will you raise taxes for the middle class in a Sanders administration?
Sanders: People who have health care under "Medicare for All" will have no premiums, no deductibles, no copayments, no out of pocket expenses. Yes, they will pay more in taxes, but less in health care for what they get.
So, here's what we now know about Sanders' plans for America:
1) He isn't sure how much they will cost.
2) He isn't totally sure how he will pay for them.
3) It's likely they will be paid for by an increase in taxes on the middle class.
Whoo boy. Maybe Sanders is right that America is ready for a fundamental reorienting of how we value ourselves, our society and our money. But if he's not -- and this election winds up being like virtually every other election in which people vote on who is going to let them keep more of their money -- then Sanders (and Democrats by extension) have a big problem.
Bernie Sanders' disastrous answer on '60 Minutes'
Analysis by Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large
Updated 12:12 PM ET, Mon February 24, 2020
(CNN)Bernie Sanders, the clear front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination, was asked over the weekend how much his various plans would cost if implemented. He didn't know.
Here's the exchange between Sanders and Anderson Cooper on "60 Minutes":
Cooper: Do you know how all -- how much though? I mean, do you have a price tag for -- for all of this?
Sanders: We do. I mean, you know, and -- and-- the price tag is -- it will be substantially less than letting the current system go. I think it's about $30 trillion.
Cooper: That's just for "Medicare for All," you're talking about?
Sanders: That's just "Medicare for All," yes.
Cooper: Do you have -- a price tag for all of these things?
Sanders: No, I don't. We try to -- no, you mentioned making public colleges and universities tuition free and canceling all student debt, that's correct. That's what I want to do. We pay for that through a modest tax on Wall Street speculation.
Cooper: But you say you don't know what the total price is, but you know how it's gonna be paid for. How do you know it's gonna be paid for if you don't know how much the price is?
Sanders: Well, I can't -- you know, I can't rattle off to you every nickel and every dime. But we have accounted for -- you -- you talked about "Medicare for All." We have options out there that will pay for it.
What? So, Sanders not only a) isn't sure how much all of his proposals would cost but also b) isn't able to say how he would pay for these programs. That strikes me as a potential weak spot if/when Sanders winds up as the Democratic nominee against President Donald Trump.
Which is the point that former Vice President Joe Biden's campaign immediately sought to make. "For the second time in the last month, Senator Sanders has admitted that he does not know the astronomical price tag that his massive new programs would force onto American families," said Biden deputy campaign manager Kate Bedingfield. "That's untenable."
And in a weekend memo from the Democratic centrist group Third Way warning the party of the perils of nominating Sanders, authors Jonathan Cowan and Matt Bennett write:
"Experts estimate that Sanders' major proposals would cost a staggering $60 trillion and would double the size of the government (while his tax plans fall $27 trillion short of paying for it). There's a reason that, when pressed on the cost of his plans, Sanders simply refuses to answer, saying he actually has no idea and 'no one does.'"
That $60 trillion number comes from The Atlantic's Ron Brownstein, a CNN contributor, who broke down the costs of Sanders' proposals like "Medicare for All," the "Green New Deal" and free tuition at public colleges and arrived at that stunning price tag.
Just how big a number is that? This, from Brownstein, puts the $60 trillion in spending proposals in very clear context:
"The Vermont independent's agenda represents an expansion of government's cost and size unprecedented since World War II, according to estimates from his own website and projections by a wide variety of fiscal experts.
"Sanders' plan, though all of its costs cannot be precisely quantified, would increase government spending as a share of the economy far more than the New Deal under President Franklin Roosevelt, the Great Society under Lyndon Johnson or the agenda proposed by any recent Democratic presidential nominee, including liberal George McGovern in 1972, according to a historical analysis shared with CNN by Larry Summers, the former chief White House economic adviser for Barack Obama and treasury secretary for Bill Clinton."
Now consider that there is no estimate from any credible budgeting service that suggests that the government would be able to bring in the sort of revenue needed to pay for that spending surge over the next decade. Sanders' plan to raise taxes on the wealthy and corporations would close some of that gap, but a study from a fellow at the Manhattan Institute (a conservative think tank) cited by Brownstein suggests the top end of revenue from the Sanders' tax increases is $23 trillion.
Sanders doesn't talk much about the price tag of what he's proposing or the very real likelihood that his tax plan will not be enough to fill the spending gap he would create. Which makes sense -- because, politically speaking, the idea of raising taxes on what we broadly consider the middle class isn't terribly popular among, well, the middle class. (Raising taxes on the wealthy or corporations, on the other hand, is a stone-cold winner politically.)
But Sanders once did admit the harsh reality of how his plans would be paid for during a debate over the summer. Here's the exchange between Sanders and NBC's Savannah Guthrie (bolding is mine):
Guthrie: Will you raise taxes for the middle class in a Sanders administration?
Sanders: People who have health care under "Medicare for All" will have no premiums, no deductibles, no copayments, no out of pocket expenses. Yes, they will pay more in taxes, but less in health care for what they get.
So, here's what we now know about Sanders' plans for America:
1) He isn't sure how much they will cost.
2) He isn't totally sure how he will pay for them.
3) It's likely they will be paid for by an increase in taxes on the middle class.
Whoo boy. Maybe Sanders is right that America is ready for a fundamental reorienting of how we value ourselves, our society and our money. But if he's not -- and this election winds up being like virtually every other election in which people vote on who is going to let them keep more of their money -- then Sanders (and Democrats by extension) have a big problem.
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The more folks know about Bernie, the less attractive he is. And to some, the scarier her becomes.
Parts of me would have strongly considered voting for him in 2016. While I agree on some parts of his platform, I now have little confidence of him being able to pull them off, and have serious doubts about his "overall strategy/plan". IMO, the Bernie crowd is more about voting for the "idea" and less about the reality of what it would take or what it would effect.
Parts of me would have strongly considered voting for him in 2016. While I agree on some parts of his platform, I now have little confidence of him being able to pull them off, and have serious doubts about his "overall strategy/plan". IMO, the Bernie crowd is more about voting for the "idea" and less about the reality of what it would take or what it would effect.
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I don't agree with the below from Axios at all. I could get behind Haley though. For entertainment value, add Cocaine Mitch and L Graham. As far as the Dems, they'll continue to self destruct with candidates like AOC and Abrams.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/r...-for-the-2024-election-more-trumps-2020-01-06
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/01/03/2024-presidential-election-candidates-091055
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...ey_conservative_fueling_2024_speculation.html
A lot can happen, obvs, but right now Haley would be the 2024 GOP candidate who'd worry me most as a Dem, and it's not that close.
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I don't think the Bernie crowd is really all that different than conservatives who voted for Trump in the 2016 GOP primary. He's the guy you vote for if you think the system doesn't work anymore - only instead of being a conservative, you're a liberal.
He's not my guy - practically speaking I don't think he'd be very good at governing - but I get his appeal. He's pure, and speaks an emotional truth about this country in ways guys like Bloomberg and Buttigieg, and even Warren, just don't.
And if he wins the nomination, so be it. I agree the Republicans will beat him up in ways the Dems never would. But all he has to do is keep the Hillary states, take back Pennsylvania and Michigan - which any sentient Dem should - and win Wisconsin or Arizona. It could certainly happen.
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Right now, you can literally get better odds to bet on Hillary Clinton to win the nomination than Warren or Klobuchar or Steyer. They need to drop out, and they need to do it before Super Tuesday.
Bernie Sanders is considered something like a 2-to-1 dog to Trump in the general election should he get the nomination. Which certainly means he has a plausible path to victory, because Trump was about a 4-to-1 dog on election night before winning 2016's general election. We won't really know what the nation thinks of Bernie until we've had a few debates.
Bernie Sanders is considered something like a 2-to-1 dog to Trump in the general election should he get the nomination. Which certainly means he has a plausible path to victory, because Trump was about a 4-to-1 dog on election night before winning 2016's general election. We won't really know what the nation thinks of Bernie until we've had a few debates.
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I agree. If she could keep the Trump vote plus appeal to women, it's would be formidable.
I agree on the "idea" portion about the system not working, but that's where it ends. Trump railed against "politics" in general while Bernie rails against the rich and capitalism. One openly waged war on DC (a group most distrusts to begin with) and said America is Great, while the other openly wages war on the rich (a group most aspire to be).
Outside of the idea stuff, Trump told everyone exactly what he wanted to do, and how he wanted to do it. He also did, or at minimum, attempted to do exactly what he said. Bernie on the other hand says what he wants to do, doesn't clearly communicate how he'll do it, and would likely face strong opposition within his own party trying to carry his promises out.
Simply my opinion, but I think Trump wins easy over Bernie. And the down ballot losses would hurt the dems big time (I can understand why the establishment doesn't like Bernie). Bernie has just enough hard core followers to beat a group mostly flawed candidates, but not enough attraction to grab the moderate libs and independents to challenge in the general. The debates are gonna be on fire though if it's Trump vs Bernie lol...