Democratic Primary Thread (New Poll - January)

[Irish YJ]

Bernie is not responding well to getting hit on his support for communism. I think its setting in for him that his statements about commies is going to sink his shot at the White House

He got booed 2 or 3 times... His response "really.... really......really...."

I don't think anyone looked good at all.

Bernie - booed for Castro bromance, getting pummeled by everyone including MSM.

Joe - still thinks he's running for the Senate (that was funny AF, yet sad). A gaffe machine and wants to take credit for just about everything during the Obama years.

Bloomberg - has the personality of a doorknob, ins't likable, buying his way in, and stuff keeps being leaked and will continue to be leaked.

Buttigieg - isn't moving the needle and seems on the decline.

Klobuchar - my favorite, but doesn't have the moxie to embrace the moment

Warren - doesn't matter, and her ill timed attacks come off as cheap (the "kill it" attack was poorly timed and seemed overly contrived).

Steyer - doesn't matter. personality of less than a doorknob.

 

[IrishLax]

Bernie finally took it on the chin... he a lot of his past statements and current positions are not easily defensible. He's being poorly managed by his campaign, because up until this point his righteous indignation was "authentic" and now it's coming off as deranged. When you spin his ideology as Democratic Socialism and not Communism it works. When you point to the fact that he likes Venezuela and Cuba... not just "utopian" Nordic countries... that is a tough sell to people with a brain.

Biden had his best debate in awhile, Buttigieg continues to be steady.

Don't really know why anyone else is in the race, it's too little too late for Warren. Can't believe how fast she faded.

 

[GATTACA!]

He got booed 2 or 3 times... His response "really.... really......really...."

I don't think anyone looked good at all.

Bernie - booed for Castro bromance, getting pummeled by everyone including MSM.

Joe - still thinks he's running for the Senate (that was funny AF, yet sad). A gaffe machine and wants to take credit for just about everything during the Obama years.

Bloomberg - has the personality of a doorknob, ins't likable, buying his way in, and stuff keeps being leaked and will continue to be leaked.

Buttigieg - isn't moving the needle and seems on the decline.

Klobuchar - my favorite, but doesn't have the moxie to embrace the moment

Warren - doesn't matter, and her ill timed attacks come off as cheap (the "kill it" attack was poorly timed and seemed overly contrived).

Steyer - doesn't matter. personality of less than a doorknob.

How?? Before I quit watching these clown shows, when my boy dropped out, I was literally having to mute the TV every time she spoke. She has one of the most grating voices I've ever heard.

Can't stand her.

 

[Irish#1]

Bernie's plan to raise taxes to pay for everything isn't going to sit well.

"The Vermont progressive's plans for College for All and removing student debt would be funded by a tax on Wall Street speculation, according to the list."

Anyone know what he means by taxing speculation?

For the Medicare for All plan, Sanders has offered a number of financing options, including creating a 4 percent income-based premium while exempting the first $29,000 in income for a family of four, requiring employers to pay a 7.5 percent income-based premium, getting rid of health tax expenditures and increasing the top marginal income tax to 52 percent on incomes over $10 million.

This will force medium to small businesses to do provide the bare minimum in coverage with high deductibles essentially requiring employees to cover the vast majority of their medical expenses.

His fossil fuel tax for climate change will send gas prices up.

 

[stlnd01]

Watched the first hour and it was like some bar fight where everyone just swings at everyone else. Then they all settled down and it got boring fast.

They (most effectively Pete) finally took some clear shots at Bernie, and it seemed to get under his skin for awhile, but not sure it'll dent him much.

Bloomberg looks way out of his depth as an actual real-life politician (as opposed to the guy you see in his ads). Warren's right, he'll never win over the base of the Democratic Party, even (especially?) if he thinks he bought them their majority in the House. And whoever was loudly booing every time someone said something mean to him was... not helping.

Biden seems desperate. If he doesn't win outright in South Carolina, he just might drop out before Super Tuesday.

No idea why Klobuchar and Steyer were still up there. I guess Amy might win Minnesota but what exactly is the path for either of them?

 

[Irish#1]

I'm not sure Biden will drop out until the bitter end. Same with Warren even though she's been circling the drain for a while now.

 

[NorthDakota]

Bernie's plan to raise taxes to pay for everything isn't going to sit well.



Anyone know what he means by taxing speculation?



This will force medium to small businesses to do provide the bare minimum in coverage with high deductibles essentially requiring employees to cover the vast majority of their medical expenses.

His fossil fuel tax for climate change will send gas prices up.

My understanding is he plans on taxing stock market transactions. I'm sure it's much more complicated than that though.

 

[ACamp1900]

Bernie seems to me to be very un-presidential, emotionally manipulative, carrying terrible ideas for the country and comes off like a jackass in general.... so he'll fit right in I guess.

 

[stlnd01]

Not to be all “nothing matters anyway” but it’ll be so hard for most of Bernie’s more ambitious proposals to make it through Congress that I can’t get all that worked up about the stupendous costs of them.
They won’t cost anything if they never happen. They’ll just further frustrate the people who vote for him in the hopes of seeing real change.

 

[IrishLax]

The genius Democratic party has managed to turn this election into a referendum on Communism instead of a referendum on Donald Trump. Well played.

 

[GATTACA!]

The genius Democratic party has managed to turn this election into a referendum on Communism instead of a referendum on Donald Trump. Well played.

Wait........ it's almost as if they don't want to win......

 

[ulukinatme]

The genius Democratic party has managed to turn this election into a referendum on Communism instead of a referendum on Donald Trump. Well played.

They've had 4 years to regroup and find an alternate strategy to beat Trump, but they've spent the entire time trying to bring him down rather than foster a strong candidate, bolster their own positions and fix what didn't work. This is the result.

 

[Irish#1]

My understanding is he plans on taxing stock market transactions. I'm sure it's much more complicated than that though.

You have to wonder how it would affect investors and investments. Would people be reluctant to participate in the stock market?

Bernie seems to me to be very un-presidential, emotionally manipulative, carrying terrible ideas for the country and comes off like a jackass in general.... so he'll fit right in I guess.

Some might say you just describe DJT.

 

[ACamp1900]

Some might say you just describe DJT.

 

[Wild Bill]

Wait........ it's almost as if they don't want to win......

I'm sure Bloomberg, and a few others like Bloomberg, would much rather see a Trump re-election than a Bernie win in the general.

 

[Irish YJ]

How?? Before I quit watching these clown shows, when my boy dropped out, I was literally having to mute the TV every time she spoke. She has one of the most grating voices I've ever heard.

Can't stand her.

I don't really like here, I just view her as the most sane and probably the most honest. And I really liked the blurb she threw out about here being ranked tops in getting stuff done in the Senate, while Warren and Bernie will near the bottom.

I'm not sure Biden will drop out until the bitter end. Same with Warren even though she's been circling the drain for a while now.

I agree. I don't see him folding up his tent easily. He's got too much fake John Wayne in him right now lol.. Maybe post Super Tuesday.

Not to be all “nothing matters anyway” but it’ll be so hard for most of Bernie’s more ambitious proposals to make it through Congress that I can’t get all that worked up about the stupendous costs of them.
They won’t cost anything if they never happen. They’ll just further frustrate the people who vote for him in the hopes of seeing real change.

Yup. I think it would be a stagnant waste of 4 years. The only thing I'm confident that would happen is the markets tanking in a big way, and other economic downturns.

 

[Irish#1]

Listening to a video clip on CNN, Biden said he hasn't been endorsed by Obama because he asked him not to. Contradicted by this statement.

Katie Hill, an Obama spokeswoman, said Wednesday that the former President "has several friends in this race, including, of course, his own esteemed Vice President," and Obama still "has no plans to endorse in the primary because he believes that in order for Democrats to be successful this fall, voters must choose their nominee."

I'm not inclined to believe Biden, but if that is the case, that's a pretty stupid decision when you're fighting just to get the nomination.

 

[IrishLax]

Listening to a video clip on CNN, Biden said he hasn't been endorsed by Obama because he asked him not to. Contradicted by this statement.

I'm not inclined to believe Biden, but if that is the case, that's a pretty stupid decision when you're fighting just to get the nomination.

Both have said the same thing since many months ago. Obama said he wasn't going to endorse a candidate. He didn't endorse Clinton last time until June. It is NOT customary for a sitting President (or in this case, the most recent one) to endorse a candidate during an active primary. Even their own VP. It is customary to let the party voters go through the process, and then endorse the winner.

Biden had said that he "wasn't going to" ask Obama to endorse him. Why? Because that's not what you do. I guess that' slightly different phrasing than asking Obama not to do it, but this whole thing is a total nothingburger. Presidents almost never endorse a candidate while the primary is still active.

 

[stlnd01]

Both have said the same thing since many months ago. Obama said he wasn't going to endorse a candidate. He didn't endorse Clinton last time until June. It is NOT customary for a sitting President (or in this case, the most recent one) to endorse a candidate during an active primary. Even their own VP. It is customary to let the party voters go through the process, and then endorse the winner.

Biden had said that he "wasn't going to" ask Obama to endorse him. Why? Because that's not what you do. I guess that' slightly different phrasing than asking Obama not to do it, but this whole thing is a total nothingburger. Presidents almost never endorse a candidate while the primary is still active.

Yeah, Obama has done pretty much everything he can to stay out of this. He's not endorsing anyone, and he shouldn't at this point.

But if you're Biden, on the ropes and relying on black voters in South Carolina to save your campaign, it's certainly in your interest this week to play up the idea you have Obama's tacit endorsement.

To be fair, other candidates are running ads that tacitly suggest they have Obama's support too, showing clips of them together and him saying nice things about them. Particularly Bloomberg, who IIRC never even endorsed Obama himself.

 

[ulukinatme]

It does make more sense to back the winning candidate. Not that he would have, but if Obama had backed Sanders in 2016 and then Hillary wins it just looks bad. At that point he either lives with the decision and the winning candidate looks weaker, or he flip flops which probably looks even worse.

 

[ACamp1900]

It does make more sense to back the winning candidate. Not that he would have, but if Obama had backed Sanders in 2016 and then Hillary wins it just looks bad. At that point he either lives with the decision and the winning candidate looks weaker, or he flip flops which probably looks even worse.

Obama has every bit the ego Trump has,... he'll jump in and make it about him when it most suits him...

Election season has actively begun,... I heard a faculty member bullying students into supporting Bernie outside my office yesterday. Forget the fact that said faculty member may well have been fired if they had done that on behalf of any Republican... the idea that your stances are so pure and so righteous you have to bully those below your purview never ceases to amaze me.

Hearing all that yesterday though:

 

[IrishLax]

Yeah, Obama has done pretty much everything he can to stay out of this. He's not endorsing anyone, and he shouldn't at this point.

But if you're Biden, on the ropes and relying on black voters in South Carolina to save your campaign, it's certainly in your interest this week to play up the idea you have Obama's tacit endorsement.

To be fair, other candidates are running ads that tacitly suggest they have Obama's support too, showing clips of them together and him saying nice things about them. Particularly Bloomberg, who IIRC never even endorsed Obama himself.

Yeah, and Trump literally ran an attack ad yesterday in South Carolina trying to say that Obama doesn't like or support Biden. Seriously, the "Committee to Defend the President" is running attack ads in the other party's primary because they want to face Sanders that badly. What a time to be alive.

 

[ACamp1900]

Yeah, and Trump literally ran an attack ad yesterday in South Carolina trying to say that Obama doesn't like or support Biden. Seriously, the "Committee to Defend the President" is running attack ads in the other party's primary because they want to face Sanders that badly. What a time to be alive.

Remember when that South Park episode of Douche vs Turd was funny?????

 

[Irish#1]

Both have said the same thing since many months ago. Obama said he wasn't going to endorse a candidate. He didn't endorse Clinton last time until June. It is NOT customary for a sitting President (or in this case, the most recent one) to endorse a candidate during an active primary. Even their own VP. It is customary to let the party voters go through the process, and then endorse the winner.

Biden had said that he "wasn't going to" ask Obama to endorse him. Why? Because that's not what you do. I guess that' slightly different phrasing than asking Obama not to do it, but this whole thing is a total nothingburger. Presidents almost never endorse a candidate while the primary is still active.

My point was more in reference to Biden stating that he asked Obama not to. Agree, it is rare that an ex will endorse before the party candidate is picked.

 

[ACamp1900]

Too good not to share... thought LAX would especially like this:

 

[ulukinatme]

Obama has every bit the ego Trump has,... he'll jump in and make it about him when it most suits him...

Election season has actively begun,... I heard a faculty member bullying students into supporting Bernie outside my office yesterday. Forget the fact that said faculty member may well have been fired if they had done that on behalf of any Republican... the idea that your stances are so pure and so righteous you have to bully those below your purview never ceases to amaze me.

Hearing all that yesterday though:

"Bullying is wrong...you better vote for Bernie or else!"

 

[Irishize]

I realize the public would have no true knowledge about how much a threat to the US that the coronvirus is but if we agree that the majority of MSM is dedicated to beating Trump, the more they can scare the public, the better the chances of Trump losing.

Granted, most Americans probably assume the govt (regardless of what party is in power) would stifle the level of true threat to avoid chaos. It’s just every news break I hear whether NPR or WSJ, they lead with that and how the markets are tanking.

 

[Irish YJ]

Yeah, and Trump literally ran an attack ad yesterday in South Carolina trying to say that Obama doesn't like or support Biden. Seriously, the "Committee to Defend the President" is running attack ads in the other party's primary because they want to face Sanders that badly. What a time to be alive.

Just today's politics. I don't blame anyone at all for wanting to run vs Bernie, and doing whatever they can to make that happen. I think it's a bit of a waste though, as Biden seams to be a steaming pile. I guess it might be Trumps last chance to kick him in the nuts though, so why not.

I personally would love to see some commercials with nothing but gaffes from Biden and Bloomberg.

Remember when that South Park episode of Douche vs Turd was funny?????

It was all Peta's fault!!!!

It's beyond Douche vs Turd these days. That was more like 2016 IMO. Bad, but bot cray cray like today. 2016 still seemed like a boxing match with added drama and a few ring girls. 2020 seems like full-on WWE in every way.

I realize the public would have no true knowledge about how much a threat to the US that the coronvirus is but if we agree that the majority of MSM is dedicated to beating Trump, the more they can scare the public, the better the chances of Trump losing.

Granted, most Americans probably assume the govt (regardless of what party is in power) would stifle the level of true threat to avoid chaos. It’s just every news break I hear whether NPR or WSJ, they lead with that and how the markets are tanking.

It's pretty disgusting how some are using this, but honestly not surprised at all. I think even some Dems today acknowledged it was wrong to make this political. Regardless, doesn't matter what Trump does, everything regardless of good or bad will be somehow bad, diminished, or credited to someone else.

 

[Irish YJ]

Joe Biden under probe in Ukraine for alleged link to top prosecutor’s 2016 ouster
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jo...ed-link-to-top-prosecutors-2016-ouster-report

Investigators in Ukraine have launched a probe into former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden over allegations that he pressured Ukrainian officials to fire the country’s top prosecutor in 2016, according to a report.

The Ukrainian probe was launched in response to a court order, after the ousted prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, made an appeal for action in the matter, Shokin’s attorney, Oleksandr Teleshetsky, told The Washington Post.

“They need to investigate this. They have no other alternative,” Teleshetsky told the Post. “They are required to do this by the decision of the court. If they don't, then they violate a whole string of procedural norms.”

 

[Irish#1]

Joe has a substantial lead in South Carolina according to the latest polling. Not sure this will be enough to give him enough momentum for Super Tuesday, but when the SC results come in, Joe be like