Dayne or Rees

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People say that Hendrix can run a little. But people were saying that about Dayne last year too.

Crist can run andhe showed that in the first quarter against Navy. They were not allowing him to run early in the season. He is mobile and the more comfortable he becomes in this system, the more he will understand when to run.

I think the reason so many people are high on Hendrix is because he came in last year as our only 4* quarterback. Rees and Massa were both 3* and I think people are putting to much stock in this. You have to throw that out the window and let BK develope his quarterbacks. Give Dayne the time he needs and let him develope into our quarterback before we start talking about Rees or Hendrix.

It took one drive and one mistake for people to give up on Rees in the Michigan game. We have never seen Hendrix in a game that matters so people are speakin on things they haven't seen. Trust in our coaches and give Dayne some slack.
 

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Crist tearing his ACL didn't help his speed.

I'm a Hendrix fan. His stats are going to be worse than Rees because Rees played in Illinois while Hendrix played in the GCL in Cincinnati. Are people honestly comparing HS stats from different states? That's ridiculous.

Hendrix has a cannon, is mobile (he was offered by Florida IIRC), and has amazing size. I think he could very well be the starter next year if Dayne doesn't improve. It's a big "if", but I think Hendrix will have a fantastic career here.
Ron Powlus was offered by every school in the nation and was supposed to win 4 heisman trophies...just saying a Florida offer doesn't mean crap either!
 

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I'm a Hendrix fan. His stats are going to be worse than Rees because Rees played in Illinois while Hendrix played in the GCL in Cincinnati. Are people honestly comparing HS stats from different states? That's ridiculous.

Comparing there HS stats is not ridiculous. It shows Rees is more capable than Hendrix because of the system he played in. Ask Utopo how Hendrix did in the All-Star game. I think Hendrix will be good, but it is going to take some time, a lot of time. I would not be surprised if Rees has a better career.
 
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Ron Powlus was offered by every school in the nation and was supposed to win 4 heisman trophies...just saying a Florida offer doesn't mean crap either!

I'm not using that to say he's good. I'm using that to say he's mobile. Meyer wouldn't get a non-mobile QB to run his offense.

Comparing there HS stats is not ridiculous. It shows Rees is more capable than Hendrix because of the system he played in. Ask Utopo how Hendrix did in the All-Star game. I think Hendrix will be good, but it is going to take some time, a lot of time. I would not be surprised if Rees has a better career.

It is when the competition is nowhere near the same. Moeller played one of the toughest schedules in the Midwest, going up against St. X, La Salle, and Elder every year. Hendrix played in a different offense, but the spread won't be too hard for him to adjust to.
 

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I think it was to both send a message to Crist and to give the backup some experience. Do we want another game like Michigan if Crist goes down?

Amen...against Michigan our 2nd O looked way unprepared...Reese Looked very good at Navy, and I actually liked what I saw out of Montana against WM. PT was very good thing for confidence...Between the two we could put some drives together.

...and yes I believe DC was sent a message...but also I think another thing Kelly learned is he can maybe cut DC loose to run some more as the backups are competent at this point.
 

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QB contraversy? Really?


You do realize that the entire time Rees was in the game (not Reese), Navy was in a soft Cover 2. When Dayne was in the game, Navy switched coverage practically every snap.

Wow. Just... just wow.
 

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You know, the qb in your dreams (that is the one who has not yet taken the field and thrown an interception) is almost always better than the guy who has just thrown an interception. Tommy looked really good in a mop up role last week. But that is all it was...the game was out of hand...the late game reps were more important for Tommy than Dayne. That is all.

Maybe (MAYBE) if one of the freshmen show some big (BIG!!) improvement during spring camp, then it might be reasonable to discuss this. Not now.
 

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Are they really that different that it's going to be worth mixing it up? Coaches usually only go with a mix if they have two guys that are very different QBs.

I don't think it would be anything major, but if Hendrix is #2 next year I think he'll see some snaps when the Irish have a decent lead, or maybe down near the goal line where he's a bigger threat to run the ball.

No other quarterback on the roster fits this offense like Hendrix.

Watching his recruiting tapes I was very impressed with his mobility, footwork and presence in the pocket. People will say that it was just H.S. and that doesn't mean anything and that's true, but he played against some really good competition and in my opinion, he is MUCH more athletic than Crist was coming out of the prep ranks.

Watching Crist's tapes from high school he is athletic but not nearly on the same level as Hendrix. With the knee injury, pro system for 2 years and probably bulking up since H.S. Crist's decent athleticism has really diminished into nothing special.

Crist's footwork is a bit slow, whereas Hendrix is very quick. Crist escapes from a defender but doesn't really take off, whereas Hendrix pulls away from defenders. Maybe most importantly, Hendrix seems to have that good presence to get away from rushers with really good escapability and ability to get outside and run or make a play with his arm.

Again, that was in high school but I'm just saying to me, it looks a lot more athletic and much more of a runner than Crist. That he was getting rave reviews from the defensive coaches for running the scout team and the option is probably another good sign that he is very athletic.

That doesn't mean I think he's going to beat Crist out, I'd still put my money that Dayne is the guy through 2012, but I would wager that Hendrix is going to quickly settle into the backup position and push him. My guess is we'll see him make a couple plays during the spring game and a lot of people will start realizing this kid is pretty darn good.

What it will all come down to is accuracy and decision making. I thought Crist had a big advantage in the throwing game vs. Hendrix, but with Kelly's praise with Hendrix (ridiculously strong arm, quick release, etc.) Crist may not have that much of an advantage.

These are all just my opinons of course, but I think Hendrix is going to be very, very good.
 

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Crist can run andhe showed that in the first quarter against Navy. They were not allowing him to run early in the season. He is mobile and the more comfortable he becomes in this system, the more he will understand when to run.

I think the reason so many people are high on Hendrix is because he came in last year as our only 4* quarterback. Rees and Massa were both 3* and I think people are putting to much stock in this. You have to throw that out the window and let BK develope his quarterbacks. Give Dayne the time he needs and let him develope into our quarterback before we start talking about Rees or Hendrix.

It took one drive and one mistake for people to give up on Rees in the Michigan game. We have never seen Hendrix in a game that matters so people are speakin on things they haven't seen. Trust in our coaches and give Dayne some slack.

It was also noted during his recruitment that one of Hendrix's strongest attributes was the ability to throw while on the run - that's vital for success in Kelly's offense.

I'm a fan of Rees and think he throws a nice ball, but I've yet to see him throw on the run. Basically when he's been out there to this point it's just like high school for him - receivers everywhere, and the defense is bad because it's the second unit. He throws a really nice ball in the situation though, good zip and accuracy, but he's not running Kelly's whole offense.
 

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Well, folks, if you put this whole discussion into a crock pot [adjective deliberate] and boiled it, what would surface for me would be the thought that we have potentially three highly functional [I'd say four with Massa] quarterbacks, but none who is CURRENTLY highly functional. Since all I've yet seen is Dayne, and since the season is 2/3rds over, I say take the best odds of playing respectable offense and leave Dayne in there, but let Tommy get some snaps when it makes sense to do so, and don't burn a "Year-of-Greatness" for Andrew. We know that we're not headed for greatness this year, lets play as solidly with the player who knows the most offense, and is most familiar with the receivers, the remainder of the year, and give it h*ll in the spring.
 

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It was also noted during his recruitment that one of Hendrix's strongest attributes was the ability to throw while on the run - that's vital for success in Kelly's offense.

I'm a fan of Rees and think he throws a nice ball, but I've yet to see him throw on the run. Basically when he's been out there to this point it's just like high school for him - receivers everywhere, and the defense is bad because it's the second unit. He throws a really nice ball in the situation though, good zip and accuracy, but he's not running Kelly's whole offense.

You've also never seen Hendrix throw on the run. It's all speculation at this point and beyond that its all bull**** at this point. Im tired of the "qb dispute" 8 games into the season. After a good game we praise Crist and after Saturday, we're ready to start Hendrix? Really? I understand the qb takes most of the blame and gets most of the praise but this is ridiculous. None of you have seen Hendrix play a snap in college football because it hasn't happened. If he was as good as all of you have "taken note of," then he would be #2 behind Crist or starting for that matter.
 

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You've also never seen Hendrix throw on the run. It's all speculation at this point and beyond that its all bull**** at this point. Im tired of the "qb dispute" 8 games into the season. After a good game we praise Crist and after Saturday, we're ready to start Hendrix? Really? I understand the qb takes most of the blame and gets most of the praise but this is ridiculous. None of you have seen Hendrix play a snap in college football because it hasn't happened. If he was as good as all of you have "taken note of," then he would be #2 behind Crist or starting for that matter.

I don't think a single person in this thread has said Hendrix should start this year. The thread was originally about whether Rees would see the field if Crist struggled or if there's a controversy at that position.

I don't think there's a controversy at all.

It's pretty dismissive to say that Hendrix would be No. 2 right now if he was as good as some of us say. It was pretty clear that he wasn't going to play this year back in August because he didn't know the system and not because he wasn't talented enough.

Not to compare Crist to Zac Lee, but I'm sure there were Nebraska fans last year yelling at the other Husker fans who though Martinez would be something special, by saying "Martinez hasn't played a snap in college and he'd be starting now if he was so good."
 

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You've also never seen Hendrix throw on the run. It's all speculation at this point and beyond that its all bull**** at this point. Im tired of the "qb dispute" 8 games into the season. After a good game we praise Crist and after Saturday, we're ready to start Hendrix? Really? I understand the qb takes most of the blame and gets most of the praise but this is ridiculous. None of you have seen Hendrix play a snap in college football because it hasn't happened. If he was as good as all of you have "taken note of," then he would be #2 behind Crist or starting for that matter.

And you've never seen Crist play a good game, it's all speculation. Your response is just nonsense, everyone's position with Crist is "give him a chance, he has potential". His "potential" is based on what was said by the same scouting services that said Hendrix throws well on the run.

It's great and all that you're a Crist fan, but he's not playing well. This isn't a one week thing, this is a whole season thing. This is a legitimate discussion, and people who don't agree can voice their opinions without denigrating those who feel otherwise and posting hyperbole without cause.
 

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Crist needs to play better, no doubt, but it's ludicrous for any Irish fan to think Rees should be starting. Remember, everyone loves the back-up QB...until he plays that is. Crist's ceiling is miles higher, he just needs to start playing more consistent football. He's 8 games into his career learning a brand new system. Give him a chance.

exactly...i may be critical of DC at times, but I firmly believe he the QB for now and the next 2 years; and for the right reasons - I think he gives ND the best chance to win. Hendrix could conceivably challenge DC in his senior year, but I think DC will have developed to a point where he would still give ND the best chance to win
 
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Kelly will put the best he has in the game; I suspect that when he has a "quick" QB, that is who will play.
 

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I think that right now DC is the best we have. however after this season and in camp if he is still struggling and one of the youngers guys is better with the system then sorry about your luck. I want the best player out there and has our best chance of winning.
 

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I'm not a fan of Dayne's play at all, and frankly I don't think he's suited for Kelly's system and I don't think he's the quarterback of the future. I also think he's to blame for a lot of the team's struggles this year. That having been said, he's what we have for now, and the next game is only going to reinforce that.

Tulsa's pass defense is appalling, they are dead last in the country in yards per game, and in fact are giving up more than 30 yards per game more than the second last place team (330.1 ypg vs. 298.6 ypg for Texas Tech). This game is a total stat booster for Dayne, and he should simply light them up.

If, on the other hand, Dayne struggles against Tulsa, his tenure is done in my mind. If you can't throw against Tulsa, then you are not a legitimate FBS starting quarterback and it's time for players, staff and fans to acknowledge that fact. Everyone has been giving Dayne slack for his "potential", but if you can't throw against Tulsa you simply aren't going to reach that potential and it's time to give someone else a chance to reach theirs, even if their ceiling is lower.
 

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I'm not a fan of Dayne's play at all, and frankly I don't think he's suited for Kelly's system and I don't think he's the quarterback of the future. I also think he's to blame for a lot of the team's struggles this year. That having been said, he's what we have for now, and the next game is only going to reinforce that.

Tulsa's pass defense is appalling, they are dead last in the country in yards per game, and in fact are giving up more than 30 yards per game more than the second last place team (330.1 ypg vs. 298.6 ypg for Texas Tech). This game is a total stat booster for Dayne, and he should simply light them up.

If, on the other hand, Dayne struggles against Tulsa, his tenure is done in my mind. If you can't throw against Tulsa, then you are not a legitimate FBS starting quarterback and it's time for players, staff and fans to acknowledge that fact. Everyone has been giving Dayne slack for his "potential", but if you can't throw against Tulsa you simply aren't going to reach that potential and it's time to give someone else a chance to reach theirs, even if their ceiling is lower.

Yeah, we get it. You don't like Crist and would rather see anybody else behind the helm. When he lights up Tulsa you will just say "Tulsa is awful, I could light him up" in every thread that carries his name.

Here's hoping we lay one on Utah so we can have some rest from this discussion.
 

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Yeah, we get it. You don't like Crist and would rather see anybody else behind the helm. When he lights up Tulsa you will just say "Tulsa is awful, I could light him up" in every thread that carries his name.

Here's hoping we lay one on Utah so we can have some rest from this discussion.



It's okay to have an opposing opinion, and until Utah, he has substance to his argument. Lighting up the worst secondary in the country is not a daunting task. Dayne has hit a rut in his development, lets hope he can work through it. We'll need him to really have a breakout game to beat the Utes.
 

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Yeah, we get it. You don't like Crist and would rather see anybody else behind the helm. When he lights up Tulsa you will just say "Tulsa is awful, I could light him up" in every thread that carries his name.

Here's hoping we lay one on Utah so we can have some rest from this discussion.

I'm not sure what else one could say to him lighting up Tulsa. They gave up 574 yards passing to Oklahoma St., 356 to Bowling Green, 383 to East Carolina, 381 to SMU, and 446 to Tulane.

Are we supposed to somehow be happy if Dayne does marginally better than Central Arkansas (186 yards) and Memphis (less than 100) did against Tulsa? This team has an appallingly bad secondary, they are a joke against the pass, and you envision it being a moral victory if Dayne does as well as Dominque Davis (50th best passer rating in the country) or Ryan Griffin (80th) or Kyle Padron (41st)? Has Notre Dame football really fallen that far?

Please tell me this is a joke.
 

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Even though riddick and Rudolph are out we should stll be able to throw that ball on them. We still have Floyd,TJ,Eifert,Kamara,and hopefully get Bennett in there we have the speed and size. And then you have the screen game. This should be a good passing day.
 

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Rees isn't even the most highly thought of QB from last years class. Anyone else notice how the next guy on the bench is always better? That must be why he's on the bench
 

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Dayne Crist will be the starter until the end of 2010. No question. Barring injury, he won't see the bench unless we have a blowout going on.

Makes no sense to throw in an uncontested freshman during a tough stretch, especially this late in the season.
 
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