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Ya'll joke about it, but I don't know who you think would be running the morality police before long. If you think its the Catholics and not the libs, I've got a bridge to sell you.

A tranny reading to kids at a public library where the parents of those kids can choose to not take them is much preferable to all kids undergoing mandatory "equality" lessons as established by government agencies.

A free society will never be close to perfect to everyone, but I'll take it over the alternatives as they've appeared through most of human history.
Also this line of thinking is flawed. "The parents can choose to attend or not," acts as if this is some victimless action taking place in a vacuum. True enough those parents can choose to be there but those choices have consequences and exposure that filth is degrading to the child in question. This isn't even taking into account the off the charts rates of pedophilia among homosexuals and transgenders. Putting innocent kids in this so we can have some flawed, incoherent conception of freedom upheld illustrates the absolute folly of adhering to conservatism or libertarianism.
 

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Also this line of thinking is flawed. "The parents can choose to attend or not," acts as if this is some victimless action taking place in a vacuum. True enough those parents can choose to be there but those choices have consequences and exposure that filth is degrading to the child in question. This isn't even taking into account the off the charts rates of pedophilia among homosexuals and transgenders. Putting innocent kids in this so we can have some flawed, incoherent conception of freedom upheld illustrates the absolute folly of adhering to conservatism or libertarianism.

That’s a nice opinion you have there, it would be a shame if an overbearing governmental agency made it illegal to express such attitudes in the future.

Once again, I never said that libertarianism or conservatism was perfect, or that it didn’t have serious downsides, but the above is the thing I’m afraid of, and nothing you’ve said changes my concerns that reasonable conservatives aren’t going to be the ones pulling the strings. Authoritarianism isn’t coming to help your positions, it’s coming to outlaw them.

Conservatism isn’t faster than the bear. It’s just the political system that appears to be faster than the others.
 

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Bruh wake up! Leftists are already running the morality police and have been for decades! There's a culture war going on, except the right just pretends there isn't, meanwhile the left has been shaping Western culture in their image since the end of WWII. Conservatism is an inherently defeatist ideology that just accepts last decade's liberalism. In 10 years conservatives will be waxing eloquent about how DemonTranny reading hour is what the Founder's intended all along and this is why we fought the Nazis.

I have no idea about decades, I haven't really been around that long.

My experiences may be very much tainted as well, I'm not sure. I've experienced only the fairly strong conservative cultures of ND, FL Panhandle, and presently, a major metro area. So I've never been in an actual battleground, have only spent time where any social wars were decided long ago.

I can say that in the last ten years or so, the change has been pretty big when I look back on it. Can only imagine how some of the older guys here feel sometimes. Maybe some of it is a bit of a shock for me since I have went from one of the more social conservative parts of America to one of the top ~5 most liberal cities in the country.

Social conservatism is dead or dying at the very least in the big cities. Not sure what the path forward is in that manner. Gotta keep fighting I suppose, if you give ground, they just ask for more. Though at this point I'm not really sure how much further social liberals can push things.
 

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That’s a nice opinion you have there, it would be a shame if an overbearing governmental agency made it illegal to express such attitudes in the future.

Once again, I never said that libertarianism or conservatism was perfect, or that it didn’t have serious downsides, but the above is the thing I’m afraid of, and nothing you’ve said changes my concerns that reasonable conservatives aren’t going to be the ones pulling the strings. Authoritarianism isn’t coming to help your positions, it’s coming to outlaw them.

Conservatism isn’t faster than the bear. It’s just the political system that appears to be faster than the others.

Implying you have freedom to be a political dissident in America without consequences.

Are you living in current year?
 

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Implying you have freedom to be a political dissident in America without consequences.

Are you living in current year?

Implying that being a political dissident in any political system can be done without "consequences."

Implying that being fired by someone, being removed from a private platform, or being ignored by people who don't like your opinions is the same as being jailed.
 

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That’s a nice opinion you have there, it would be a shame if an overbearing governmental agency made it illegal to express such attitudes in the future.

Once again, I never said that libertarianism or conservatism was perfect, or that it didn’t have serious downsides, but the above is the thing I’m afraid of, and nothing you’ve said changes my concerns that reasonable conservatives aren’t going to be the ones pulling the strings. Authoritarianism isn’t coming to help your positions, it’s coming to outlaw them.

Conservatism isn’t faster than the bear. It’s just the political system that appears to be faster than the others.
LOL yes because we're completely free to express our opinion without being utterly destroyed by the media, big business, and eventually the judicial system. Are you kidding me? The day where we will be censored and persecuted for our political opinions isn't some boogeyman day far off, some dystopian nightmare in the future, that day is NOW. Wake up and see your freedoms are an illusion.
 

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Implying that being a political dissident in any political system can be done without "consequences."

Implying that being fired by someone, being removed from a private platform, or being ignored by people who don't like your opinions is the same as being jailed.
No, it's almost more insidious because it's so widely celebrated and no one sees anything wrong with this. People can have their entire lives ruined for expressing opinions that wouldn't have been slightly controversial 20-30 years ago and you see nothing wrong with this? "Oh gee at least you didn't go to jail, sorry you are forever unemployable, hope you don't have a family to feed or a house payment."

Social media companies are more than just "private platforms" bro. Censorship on there for political opinion can shape elections and they are powerful drivers of the culture. Big Business flexed it's muscle in favor of sodomy by boycotting states that attempted to so much as slow down our drive towards Sodom and Gomorrah, banks will refuse to do business with wrongthinkers. We may soon have gun control based on your views towards gays and minorities.

But hey, at least we're not in jail!
 

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No, it's almost more insidious because it's so widely celebrated and no one sees anything wrong with this. People can have their entire lives ruined for expressing opinions that wouldn't have been slightly controversial 20-30 years ago and you see nothing wrong with this? "Oh gee at least you didn't go to jail, sorry you are forever unemployable, hope you don't have a family to feed or a house payment."

Social media companies are more than just "private platforms" bro. Censorship on there for political opinion can shape elections and they are powerful drivers of the culture. Big Business flexed it's muscle in favor of sodomy by boycotting states that attempted to so much as slow down our drive towards Sodom and Gomorrah, banks will refuse to do business with wrongthinkers. We may soon have gun control based on your views towards gays and minorities.

But hey, at least we're not in jail!

Take that whole situation you described above, and imagine thinking that giving those groups more power is the answer.
 

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Take that whole situation you described above, and imagine thinking that giving those groups more power is the answer.
They already have basically unlimited power, I specifically don't want those groups to have power. Power is never neutral and there won't ever be a time when both sides are just working together for the betterment of mankind. Someone will wield power, I want it to be my side just for once. Republicans are allergic to utilizing power or are just controlled opposition so it really doesn't matter much when they happen to stumble into office.
 

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Take that whole situation you described above, and imagine thinking that giving those groups more power is the answer.

They literally control thought and expression. Your solution is to be thankful they haven't placed us in cages.

I prefer wielding power and imposing order.
 

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That was one of their better skits in a while.
 

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Hallmark channel took heat for pulling the Zola commercial showing two girls getting married and buckled. They will now air it again.
 

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Pascal Emmanuel-Gobry just published an article titled "A Science-Based Case for Ending the Porn Epidemic". It's too long to reproduce here, so I'll just share the final two sections:

Might Porn Cause Societal Collapse?

I have tried to be as careful as possible and only to lay out carefully-drawn scientific arguments. We can, and should, debate morality, but we should be clear about facts. And in a world where a million articles claim everything and its opposite on the basis of some “study,” I wanted to be as precise as possible about what we can know scientifically about porn, with a high degree of certainty, versus things we can strongly suspect, albeit not prove.

We know what porn does to the brain, because the medical science is solid. Because social science is much softer, we can’t know for certain what causal impacts porn has on society, if any. But once we realize that we have to be much more humble in this area, we can still make prudential judgments.

Remember the sex recession? It seems that Japan is a precursor in all kinds of recession: just as it went first into the zero interest rate economic environment that the rest of the rich world has been experiencing since 2008, and which looks more like a new permanent state with each passing day, Japan also entered its sex recession a decade before us. Japan also got broadband internet earlier than the rest of the world. Could it be that Japan is an example of what’s likely to happen to us if we don’t do something about porn addiction?

Since Japan got broadband internet, the younger generations have gone through significant social changes. “In 2005, a third of Japanese single people ages 18 to 34 were virgins; by 2015, 43 percent of people in this age group were, and the share who said they did not intend to get married had risen, too. (Not that marriage was any guarantee of sexual frequency: A related survey found that 47 percent of married people hadn’t had sex in at least a month.),” The Atlantic’s Kate Julian wrote in her article on the sex recession.

In Japan, this new generation of sexless men—and the Japanese sex recession is caused by men’s lack of interest, to the vocal dismay of young Japanese women, if media reports are to be trusted—are known as soushoku danshi, literally “grass-eating men”—in a word, herbivores. The epithet was originally coined by a frustrated female columnist but, incredibly, the herbivores aren’t offended and most of them are happy to identify as such.

Given Japan’s population decline, the herbivores, who have become a massive subculture, are a subject of national debate in Japan, Slate’s Alexandra Harney reports. And what seems to define the herbivores is not just that they have no interest in sex, it’s that they don’t seem to be interested in much of anything at all.

They tend to live with their parents. After all, it’s hard to find a place to live when you don’t have a steady job, which herbivores say they don’t look for, because they’re not interested in a professional career. Not that they’re opting out of productive society to focus on, say, art, or activism, or some other form of creativity or counter-culture. Apparently, one of the few hobbies that seem to be popular among herbivores is . . . going on walks. To be fair, walking is an important part of digestion for ruminants.

What herbivores do seem to be interested in is spending the vast majority of their time alone, on the internet. Herbivores who have a social life keep it restricted to a small circle of friends. While the Japanese used to be notorious for their national obsession with tourism, they don’t like to travel abroad. They have created a new market for yaoi, a Japanese genre of bodice ripper-style romance portraying homoerotic relationships between men; while yaoi’s audience has traditionally been female, the male herbivores like yaoi.

Countless explanations are proffered for the herbivore phenomenon, from cultural to economic, and it makes intuitive sense that some of those factors would be at play. Nevertheless, I find it striking that everything we know about the herbivores matches with what we know about online porn addiction, in particular reduced libido and overuse of the internet. We also know that Japan has growing markets for sex toys for men, but not for women, as well as for extreme and homoerotic pornography, which is consistent with a population that’s been desensitized to normal sex stimulus by online porn addiction.

Beyond sexuality, the herbivores seem strikingly like a generation of men suffering from hypofrontality, the neurological disease caused by porn addiction. It seems that their key problem is an inability to commit, whether to a career or a woman. Commitment requires abilities enabled by the prefrontal cortex, like self-mastery, correctly weighing risk and reward, and projecting oneself into the future. Becoming financially independent, visiting a foreign country, moving out of your parents’ apartment, going to parties, meeting new people, asking a girl out—what all these things have in common is that while young men generally want to do them, they can also be intimidating; and it is the executive function of the brain located in the prefrontal cortex that makes it possible to get over the hump of initial reluctance that comes from the lower parts of the brain.

With Japan on the road to self-extinction in part as a result of its males’ lack of interest in sex or marriage, it’s hard not to think of Nietzsche’s parable of the Last Man, his nightmare scenario for the fate that would await Western civilization after the Death of God if it did not embrace the way of the Übermensch: the last man lives a life of comfort, has all his appetites satisfied, embraces conformity and rejects conflict, and seeks nothing more, incapable as he is of imagination, or initiative, or creativity, or originality, or risk-taking. The Last Man, in short, is man returned to something like an animal state, though not that of a carnivore. Nietzsche compares him to an insect, but herbivore fits quite well. In Nietzsche’s terrifying phrase, the Last Man believes he has discovered happiness.

Again, it’s impossible to prove scientifically that the herbivore phenomenon is caused by widespread porn addiction. But one thing is certainly very suggestive: there’s no explanation for why, if the herbivore trend is caused by some broader cultural or socioeconomic trends, it should be such an overwhelmingly male phenomenon. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

Is Japan a harbinger of the future? Are we on the road to becoming a herbivore civilization? Or, to take another analogy, becoming like the helpless people on the spaceship in “WALL-E,” except we never got around to actually creating the AI and robots that enabled their pointless, ghastly lives of fake pleasure?

Perhaps it sounds hyperbolic. But what we do know is that large numbers of our civilization are hooked on a drug that has profound effects on the brain, which we mostly don’t understand, except that everything we understand is negative and alarming. And we are just ten years into the process. If we don’t act, pretty soon the next generation will be a generation that largely got hooked on this brain-eating drug as children, whose brains are uniquely vulnerable. It seems perfectly reasonable and consistent with the evidence as we have it to be deeply alarmed. Indeed, what seems supremely irrational is our bizarre complacency about something which, at some level, we all know to be happening.

A Massive Experiment On Our Brains

Another way to approach the question of how to respond is to note that we—the entire advanced world, and soon the whole world, as the prices of smartphones and broadband in developing countries keep dropping—are running a massive, unprecedented experiment on our own brains. Scientists do understand a few things about the brain, but only a few. The human brain is by far the most complex thing in the known Universe, and we are subjecting half of the human population at best, to an unprecedented kind of drug.

As I write this, the FDA is reportedly considering a complete ban on e-cigarettes. Imagine if, say, a popular health supplement was shown to, oh, increase the rate of ED among young men by some percentage, let alone several orders of magnitude, or be as addictive as cocaine in large segments of the population. Surely some spotlight-hogging prosecutor would have the company’s owners doing a nationally-televised perp walk before you could say “Four Loko”—unless, of course, he was himself getting high on the stuff and was too ashamed to take a public stand.

An analogy might be in order here: climate change. There are some things we know scientifically to be true: we know that greenhouse gases lead to higher temperatures all else equal; we know that humans are emitting more and more greenhouse gases; we know that temperatures are increasing; we know that greenhouse gases are increasing to unprecedented levels.

We don’t know, scientifically, precisely, what that means for the future. Earth is much too complex an organism for us to be able to predict with high confidence what climate change will mean, specifically—indeed, the best justification for alarm is precisely the fact that we are in uncharted territory when it comes to levels of greenhouse gases and temperatures. This is why the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which represents the scientific consensus on climate change, provides not predictions of the future impact of climate change, but probability distributions (read them if you don’t believe me).

On the basis of the current state of science, we have a preponderance of evidence leading to a rationally justified belief that never-before-seen levels of greenhouse gases and temperature increases create an unacceptable level of risk of negative outcomes, including catastrophic outcomes, so that some kind of collective action (putting aside angry debates on what kind of action) is justified to curb greenhouse gas emissions. The Earth is much too complex for us to understand it completely, and this is actually the best argument for why it’s reckless to pump it full of chemicals at unprecedented levels. After all, we don’t have an Earth 2. (And yes, paradoxically given conservatives’ reluctance to embrace ambitious action on climate change, this is an inherently conservative argument.)

You can see where I’m going: however precious Earth is, so are our brains; however complex Earth is, so much so are our brains, which are the most complex artifacts in the known universe. I don’t see why the same logic doesn’t apply.

The stakes are comparably high, the logic for action is the same, and yet these respective causes get wildly divergent levels of public attention and political capital.

It took a long time between the moment when the evidence for smoking’s link to lung cancer and a whole host of negative health outcomes became incontrovertible. And it took a long time between that moment and when we as a society accepted that evidence and decided to act. This was in part due to legitimate scientific questions early on, in part due to the influence of greedy, monied interests, and in part because of misguided pseudo-libertarian rhetoric. But also in part because so many people were reluctant to admit that their beloved, pleasurable habit, was in reality a destructive addiction—and they were all the more reluctant to admit it because they knew, deep down, that it was the truth.

I still smoke. But, at least, I have stopped lying to myself about why I do it. It’s time we as a society stopped lying to ourselves about what has become the biggest threat to public health.

He summarizes a ton of scientific evidence prior to these concluding paragraphs, which is overwhelmingly supportive of porn being the #1 threat to public health in American. Give it a read. I'd be interested in hearing from anyone who still thinks porn is no big deal afterward.
 

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Was literally entering the thread to post this article, thanks Whiskey. It's a scourge that hits every generation, but my own has been hit very hard, as we were handed computers (and later cell phones) and with it, unlimited access to free hardcore porn. It's quite depressing and the complete effects are still unknown.
 

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Pascal Emmanuel-Gobry just published an article titled "A Science-Based Case for Ending the Porn Epidemic". It's too long to reproduce here, so I'll just share the final two sections:



He summarizes a ton of scientific evidence prior to these concluding paragraphs, which is overwhelmingly supportive of porn being the #1 threat to public health in American. Give it a read. I'd be interested in hearing from anyone who still thinks porn is no big deal afterward.

I haven't had a chance to read the whole article, but I've read quite a deal in addition to the excerpt provided. I generally disagree with the argument, at least some of it. You can't lump or stereotype all consumers of porn into one group. Sure, there are addicts just like any other medium, and these people need help. In moderation I don't have a real problem with it though.

I think it's a stretch to compare our culture with the Japanese. We're talking two very different parts of the world, and what is popular over there isn't necessarily that popular here. Japanese are well known for their strange fetishes and sex culture, including such things as vibrator clubs, tv shows called Orgasm Wars, sex robots, fetish clubs, and producing sex oils called "little sister's panties" and "female student period." That's just some of the weird things listed in this article from a quick Google search: https://listverse.com/2015/09/06/10-of-the-strangest-aspects-of-japans-sex-culture/

Our sex culture is rather tame by those standards. I wouldn't say this country has a "grass eater" problem as was described of Japanese men. I don't know what our virgin % is in the US 18-34 crowd, but I'm willing to bet it's far less than Japan's 43%. While there certainly is a niche of "grass eaters," or as we call them "basement dwellers," our culture is in no position of danger at this time and I don't see it changing rapidly...at least not due to porn. I think other factors could have a bigger impact: the PC culture, while necessary in some cases, has also brought with it damaging accusations (Both true and untrue) when it comes to consent. If we continue down this path I could see future generations being dissuaded from intercourse for fear of legal repercussions. Social media, broadband internet, and mobile phones in general have also driven more people to stay in rather than going out of the house and socialize like past generations once did. That leads to less people meeting and forming relationships. Porn could be contributing to that problem, but it's not the leading cause.

Is porn a big deal? Certainly for some it is. I think it affects everyone differently though. I don't view porn every day or even every week, and it hasn't changed my relationship(s) in the past. I still have a healthy sex life, although as a married man with 3 kids in a two income household I think I'm not breaking new ground when I say I could be enjoying sex more often :laugh: It's not from a lack of desire, it's a scheduling conflict when your wife is a nurse working evenings. Still, I find my tastes and appetite are roughly the same as they were 20 years ago. I've never felt the need to explore other genres of porn as the article suggests. For addicts that's not the case, as the same stuff is never enough as the article essentially said. I think for casual consumers of porn you don't need to explore and you can be fine even viewing the same content over and over.

Those are just some of the points I disagree with. Like I said, porn can be damaging like any other pleasure or past time. It all depends on how you use it or abuse it. Not everyone is an addict, and not every man is being rewired to seek out more disturbing or shocking porn. In particular I thought it was amusing that they said "porn compilations are a rising online porn genre." Compilations have been around since the 90s! It's not a new phenomenon, it's always been there. If they want a disturbing new trend I would have pointed towards incest/step family porn which has been vastly growing in recent years. What used to be a small niche is now everywhere! It was reported that "step mom" was the #4 most searched for term on Porn Hub last year, and a map from 2016 shows a break down by state:

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For 1/5th of the country "step mom" or "step sister" is the most searched for term. Now that's a trend to worry about if you're concerned about the effects of porn on the brain. It could make Christmas dinners very awkward.
 
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I haven't had a chance to read the whole article...

Doesn't sound like you read anything but the excerpt I provided here. Hand-waving generalizations from your own life simply isn't convincing evidence when compared to the already significant and growing list of studies showing the devastating effects of modern porn.

There are probably some people who can safely and responsibly manage daily unsupervised consumption of opiates for pain management over long periods of time. Their experience doesn't mean a damn thing in the face of our ongoing epidemic of opiate addiction. The plural of anecdote isn't "data".
 

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Doesn't sound like you read anything but the excerpt I provided here. Hand-waving generalizations from your own life simply isn't convincing evidence when compared to the already significant and growing list of studies showing the devastating effects of modern porn.

There are probably some people who can safely and responsibly manage daily unsupervised consumption of opiates for pain management over long periods of time. Their experience doesn't mean a damn thing in the face of our ongoing epidemic of opiate addiction. The plural of anecdote isn't "data".

I read quite a bit, actually. I even provided a few examples that were outside of your excerpt, but I digress. I'm not saying there's not a problem out there, but as you said there are people who can safely and responsibly manage such things over long periods and don't succumb to addiction. Lumping all porn consumers together is bogus, but like anything else there are definitely addicts out there that have let it affect their personal relationship, their sex drive, their performance in bed, and a variety of other factors.

The reason I quit reading the article has to do with the dots they were trying to connect. They throw out a lot of scientific figures like (And I'm paraphrasing) "Since 2009 the rise in depression among adolescent men has risen from 7-15 percent. We don't know what has caused this increase, but we do know the 'Tubes' gained popularity around this time." You can't make that correlation without an actual study, surveys, etc. Statements like that are pure conjecture. There were a number of similar statements throughout the article. They also make claims like "I would hate to be a teenage girl today knowing that nearly 100% of the teenage male population is addicted to porn." I'm not going to argue that almost all teenage boys are going to be exposed to porn at some point before 20, but to say they're all addicted? That's a stretch. Addiction is a strong word. Not everyone that plays video games is an addict. I didn't need to read the entire article to point out they make some gross generalizations and correlations that aren't true for everyone.
 

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The reason I quit reading the article has to do with the dots they were trying to connect. They throw out a lot of scientific figures like (And I'm paraphrasing) "Since 2009 the rise in depression among adolescent men has risen from 7-15 percent. We don't know what has caused this increase, but we do know the 'Tubes' gained popularity around this time." You can't make that correlation without an actual study, surveys, etc. Statements like that are pure conjecture. There were a number of similar statements throughout the article.

Did you read this bit?

We know what porn does to the brain, because the medical science is solid. Because social science is much softer, we can’t know for certain what causal impacts porn has on society, if any. But once we realize that we have to be much more humble in this area, we can still make prudential judgments.

The limits of social science mean we'll never have the sort of ironclad causal evidence you're expecting here. But if that's the only justification for addressing public health risks, smoking would still be a universal vice. "Some people get cancer, others don't. Your studies can't quantify the exact social cost of smoking, so we can't justify passing laws to discourage it."

They also make claims like "I would hate to be a teenage girl today knowing that nearly 100% of the teenage male population is addicted to porn." I'm not going to argue that almost all teenage boys are going to be exposed to porn at some point before 20, but to say they're all addicted? That's a stretch. Addiction is a strong word. Not everyone that plays video games is an addict. I didn't need to read the entire article to point out they make some gross generalizations and correlations that aren't true for everyone.

Before 20!? You must be kidding. The average American male is exposed to hardcore pornography before middle school these days. And it's dark stuff--rape, incest, etc.--not the airbrushed PG-13 content you cut your teeth on. Yet you seem to think that's OK because... why? You don't want your choices limited in the interest of protecting children? You don't want to see yourself as complicit in an inherently evil and dehumanizing industry?

There's plenty of hard neuroscience in that article that doesn't rely on correlations to social phenomena. How porn rewires your brain, how that rewiring pushes you toward more extreme content, how much more pronounced these effects are in children, etc. is all very well established. The science is only trending in one direction. You can choose to turn a blind eye like the Lucky Strike guys in Mad Men did, but your kids and grandkids will think less of you for it.
 

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Apologies if I came on too strong, ulukin. I know a woman who was chewed up and spit out by the industry, and a kid in my 4th grade son's class just got suspended for showing porn to someone in the school bathroom on his smart phone, so this is personal for me on a couple levels.

Check out the 2015 documentary "Hot Girls Wanted" on Netflix if you have a chance:

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Created by Rashida Jones. She didn't set out to make an "anti-porn" documentary, but it ended up that way just due to the reality of the industry. (Don't bother with the newer NetFlix series by the same name. Jones caught a ton of shit from the Left for being "sex negative" in the original, so the new series is typical bullshit). Ask yourself if this is something you'd ever let your daughter do, and if not, why is it OK to sexually gratify yourself off someone else's daughter then?

Then check out Nefarious: Merchant of Souls:

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It's about the "sex work" industry more broadly, of which porn is an integral part. Turning on a camera doesn't morally change anything about the act of prostitution. This is profoundly evil stuff, and porn both creates demand for it and normalizes it.

Don't make yourself complicit.
 

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Apologies if I came on too strong, ulukin. I know a woman who was chewed up and spit out by the industry, and a kid in my 4th grade son's class just got suspended for showing porn to someone in the school bathroom on his smart phone, so this is personal for me on a couple levels.

I understand, and your previous reply makes more sense with that context. Given your personal connection to the topic I'll see myself out of this one now, I won't discuss it further. You can choose to read my above reply or disregard it as a response to that previous strongly worded reply, I can also remove it entirely. Just know that I agree with many of your points, and I think there should be a curbing of porn access/content in general in addition to better standards for those in that industry. I just don't buy into all the doomsday scenarios, and as mentioned I think small doses can be acceptable.

[EDIT] I decided to go again and remove my reply at this time. I've moved it to a .txt file on my hard drive.
 
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Nothing like celebrating homelessness with a tran lap dance...
Got to love the Left Coast lol.

Seattle-area homeless director resigns after transgender dancer strips, twerks and gives lap dances at annual conference
https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-...rks-and-gives-lap-dances-at-annual-conference

Rev. Bill Kirlin-Hackett, director of the Interfaith Task Force on Homelessness, said he was not "personally offended by it," but added that "it just seemed so wrong and out of place for what we were there for."

Sounds like the reverend is a little kinky! lol
 

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https://americanmilitarynews.com/20...ible-to-be-rewritten-as-pro-communist-report/

In a recent move, Chinese officials in the eastern province of Jiangxi ordered a Catholic church to remove a painting of the Virgin Mary and her baby, Jesus Christ, and replaced it with an image of Chairman Xi. They were also told to hang Chinese flags and pro-communist party slogans throughout the church.

In addition, the church was instructed to remove its name from public display and instead to hang a banner that reads: “Follow the party, thank the party, obey the party.”

sTuPiD fReEdOm Of SpEeCh AlLoWiNg GaYs To ReAd To KiDs, LeTs GiVe MoRe PoWeR tO tHe GoVeRnMeNt. It CaNt BaCkFiRe.
 
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