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[TorontoGold]

STFU liar. No honest broker in Toronto.

Visitation rights denied? What's with the anger?

 

[NDWarrior]

Yeah, I know the history, and I know that Israel has been a lot more generous when they didn't necessarily have to be in an already difficult situation. Israel isn't training their kids to be future terrorists. Up until about 10 years ago Hamas was still feeding this to the Palestinian children, preparing them for a life of killing Jews and sacrificing themselves:

Sure, we can all go out and find videos like these. It doesn't prove anything...

 

[Fbolt]

Visitation rights denied? What's with the anger?

You are not an honest broker. You lie. You will not admit when you are wrong and then talk smack. Merely displaying that others can do that too.

Not angry-just having fun.

 

[TorontoGold]

You are not an honest broker. You lie. You will not admit when you are wrong and then talk smack. Merely displaying that others can do that too.

Not angry-just having fun.

Where’s the lie? Point out the lies.

 

[Fbolt]

Here we go. The h0nEsT BrOkEr claiming ignorance. Not playing. You lie-you know it, you claim ignorance yet simultaneously claim to be the smartest. What a joke. Have fun.

 

[NDWarrior]

You're keeping it real...bat shit crazy. You're making claims and spewing theories based on no evidence relative to the Oct 7 attack by Hamas and last week you did the same with 9/11. It's all garbage, and I'm not holier than thou but the statements and positions I put on here are supported by facts and reality. You on the other hand subject the rest of us to your wild, unfounded conspiracy theories which were completely out of left field and irrelevant to the topics at hand.

More importantly, it's insulting to the victims, their families, and those who volunteered to serve in the military and fight the 9th century savages who carried out these attacks. Just stop.

There's the old Polish Leppy 22 Bull Rush... sprinkled with derogatory terms such as "batshit crazy" and "garbage," and always ending with the requisite "Just stop."

Dude:

- Many sane people are making similar claims based on MANY pieces of information and confirmed timelines, historical Israeli control of Gaza precedent, and confirmed videos
- On the other hand, other than the confirmed fact that the Hamas-led group took hostages, not much else is confirmed including the most wild, insane atrocities whose only "evidence" are stories from a handful of IDF soldiers (i.e., nada) and Israeli news investigations have already debunked that shit
- Of course the most-straightforward issue and "proof" is what the hell has been presented by Bebe and his Israeli government re: the attack? With the Israeli's and IDF's level of surveillance and control, it should be a piece of cake to capture and prosecute the Palestinians and Hamas members who were responsible for Oct 7 - Have we seen anything? Has anyone been identified and taken to trial? Any public executions (I bet Ben-Gvir would love to use his new shiny hanging of Palestinians law, what better target use case?)
- Even Charlie Kirk beloved by all on here questioned the event and Israeli's lack of any effort until it was way too late in the day (i.e., they let it happen) and he died for it. So not so out of left field. I actually respect the guy for his questioning even though Israel was a big source of TPUSA's funding, especially so now that Charlie is gone
- My post was very relevant in response to Drayer's ignorant comment that "oh well, civilians must be slaughtered in the game of war..." I am specifically talking about individual Palestinian civilians being sniped, killed, and maimed, including pregnant mothers, and where Israeli drones double tap the victims when the rescue workers, ambulances, or other civilians come to help (just Google it, actual footage of these atrocities is not hard to find).
- Stop conflating Oct 7 and 9/11 only for purposes of vilifying all Muslims. All Muslims didn't attack The World Trade Center or attack the Israeli military base and concert goers on Oct 7, now did they? But I guess they're all "savages" to you.
- Let me be crystal clear - Those who died in either of these events are absolutely innocent victims who of course didn't deserve to die, but I will maintain that we don't know with 100% certainty what actually happened in both cases. And yes, we always respect those who served, defended, and died defending the U.S. after 9/11, but that doesn't mean we can't question.

Most importantly, if you don't want to be "subjected" to my "wild, unfounded conspiracy theories," simply hit the block button (come on, you can do it!).

 

[Fbolt]

Says the turd who yells at his TV!

 

[ulukinatme]

Sure, we can all go out and find videos like these. It doesn't prove anything...

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Tomorrow's Pioneers is a pretty well known program that was broadcast for years on Al-Aqsa TV. It wasn't until the PA finally pressured them to stop that it was removed from Al-Aqsa TV only to be broadcast on other Middle Eastern channels and online. It wasn't like an isolated incident. Their Mickey Mouse character even drew Disney's attention who then went after them. How did the producers respond? They martyred the mouse, having him imprisoned and beaten to death on the show. They later introduced a bee character and others, making some of them martyrs as well. They were literally grooming an entire nation of children on TV, preparing them to become terrorists and martyrs, watch some of the episodes. It's a little different than some isolated incident and possible propaganda posted on a Palestine Reddit thread.

 

[NDWarrior]

It's a little different than some isolated incident and possible propaganda posted on a Palestine Reddit thread.

Nonetheless, I have seen that many Palestinians didn't like that Hamas was doing that and weren't in agreement, so I don't think the entire territory was on board with that. And this is no isolated event. I've seem many videos like this one from various Israeli elementary schools.

 

[ulukinatme]

Nonetheless, I have seen that many Palestinians didn't like that Hamas was doing that and weren't in agreement, so I don't think the entire territory was on board with that. And this is no isolated event. I've seem many videos like this one from various Israeli elementary schools.

I'm seeing a lot of garbage on that page. There's AI slop created to elicit emotional responses, and more recently targeted attacks against Ed Sheeran for the whole Macklemore tour issue that Sheeran isn't even responsible for, it was the venue owners that wanted Macklemore gone.

 

[NDWarrior]

Sure, I understand the Ed Sheeran thing although that same stadium let Kanye West play so that is interesting. Anyway, different topic.

 

[Irish#1]

https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/education/mississippi-controversial-policy-education-reform/

 

[Old Man Mike]

What's being said there is mostly true. Today's problems in the media will come from the tendency of biased factions to make every case situation the same. Education success on individual levels tends get worse as numbers get bigger. This is because student-teacher ratios tend to get bigger and more individual attention gets less and less possible. In a strange sense, a small failing school system has a better chance to be turned around by hard-nosed administrative directives than a big one IF the system at least has enough teachers and other support elements. Also, parental support and home conditions differ among school systems (statistically.) If you have screwed up assholes as parents, then you cannot "hold back" their failing students in the face of their "political" behavior. (Thus entered the age of the "social promotion" in k-12.) When faced with this type of crap, no teaching staff is going to be world-beating statistically.

Generally speaking, teaching language skills is absolutely vital, and in such a way that kids can be promoted close to normally (I've believed that all systems should have extra sessions for those struggling, mainly in the summers.) Certain other tough but important skill subjects like the math skills, can be taught more individualistically flowing a different progress levels between grades, but only if the teachers and programs are funded.

The Union thing is a political bias of course. There are truths and there are untruths. The biggest "Union" thing is the problem of firing an obviously incompetent teacher. Other than that, as long as goals are clearly stated way up front, and the means to accomplish those goals are supported, teachers typically want to teach. Given society's LACK of support mainly, the teachers have plenty of reason to unionize.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

There's the old Polish Leppy 22 Bull Rush... sprinkled with derogatory terms such as "batshit crazy" and "garbage," and always ending with the requisite "Just stop."

Dude:

- Many sane people are making similar claims based on MANY pieces of information and confirmed timelines, historical Israeli control of Gaza precedent, and confirmed videos
- On the other hand, other than the confirmed fact that the Hamas-led group took hostages, not much else is confirmed including the most wild, insane atrocities whose only "evidence" are stories from a handful of IDF soldiers (i.e., nada) and Israeli news investigations have already debunked that shit
- Of course the most-straightforward issue and "proof" is what the hell has been presented by Bebe and his Israeli government re: the attack? With the Israeli's and IDF's level of surveillance and control, it should be a piece of cake to capture and prosecute the Palestinians and Hamas members who were responsible for Oct 7 - Have we seen anything? Has anyone been identified and taken to trial? Any public executions (I bet Ben-Gvir would love to use his new shiny hanging of Palestinians law, what better target use case?)
- Even Charlie Kirk beloved by all on here questioned the event and Israeli's lack of any effort until it was way too late in the day (i.e., they let it happen) and he died for it. So not so out of left field. I actually respect the guy for his questioning even though Israel was a big source of TPUSA's funding, especially so now that Charlie is gone
- My post was very relevant in response to Drayer's ignorant comment that "oh well, civilians must be slaughtered in the game of war..." I am specifically talking about individual Palestinian civilians being sniped, killed, and maimed, including pregnant mothers, and where Israeli drones double tap the victims when the rescue workers, ambulances, or other civilians come to help (just Google it, actual footage of these atrocities is not hard to find).
- Stop conflating Oct 7 and 9/11 only for purposes of vilifying all Muslims. All Muslims didn't attack The World Trade Center or attack the Israeli military base and concert goers on Oct 7, now did they? But I guess they're all "savages" to you.
- Let me be crystal clear - Those who died in either of these events are absolutely innocent victims who of course didn't deserve to die, but I will maintain that we don't know with 100% certainty what actually happened in both cases. And yes, we always respect those who served, defended, and died defending the U.S. after 9/11, but that doesn't mean we can't question.

Most importantly, if you don't want to be "subjected" to my "wild, unfounded conspiracy theories," simply hit the block button (come on, you can do it!).

My bull rush is more sound and substantive than your unfounded conspiracy theories. I'm sure there's plenty of websites for tin foil hat guys like you. Don't clog up IE threads in this nonsense.

 

[NDWarrior]

My bull rush is more sound and substantive than your unfounded conspiracy theories. I'm sure there's plenty of websites for tin foil hat guys like you. Don't clog up IE threads in this nonsense.

Let's remember - 'cause you seem to forget often - these are the IE POLITICAL threads. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

 

[Fbolt]

Let's remember - 'cause you seem to forget often - these are the IE POLITICAL threads. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Yeah, what he said!! Thank you for your attention to this matter.

 

[NDWarrior]

 

[ulukinatme]

I haven't seen women this mad since Clancy wasn't acquitted of killing her kids.

It boggles my mind there are women like this.

 

[Bishop2b5]

It boggles my mind there are women like this.

 

[ulukinatme]

More AI discussion and the threats of mutual destruction. Can't remember if this was the thread we were talking about this before.

'Godfather of AI' explains how humanity could end: Even without a bad actor, AI 'may derive subgoals that cause it to want to get rid of people' | Fortune

"But at present, their main concern is not our well-being. Their main concern is to achieve whatever goal you give them."

fortune.com

 

[Old Man Mike]

Of course this sort of thing sounds like part of a SyFy movie (and therefore non-serious) but it's really not a joke. But it's been poorly introduced, in my opinion. It's complicated. But, just to throw one stone at it, here are a few thoughts:

1. If AI ends up in charge of critical systems (energy systems, or information systems, or military systems etc), AND the AI becomes independently "evaluatory" of which way to go on fast and irretrievable decisions, you already begin to get creepy feelings about whether you can pull such decisions back, and recover;
2. If you've really "sold out" to AI on management though, you might not have ways to pull back on them which are powerful enough -- i.e. your "solutions" might be AI-connected themselves, or pipsqeeks comparatively, or subject to rogue AI de novo "values" -- so your solutions might be slow if any at all. Plus AI might sense them and head them off;
3. We can count on one big futuristic error: The human race will continue to grow. We'll lazily keep putting ourselves into BIG systems, and putting off work onto machines' backs. The bigger and lazier we get, the worse our dependencies become. Any glitch becomes bigger when embedded in bigger. So it is BOTH we and AI which are setting the catastrophe up;
4. The solution for the wise few is to drop out of the bigness as much as possible. The prime example: If you lived in a smaller self-made and sustainable community (Prime requirements: sustainable energy, water, food systems, with connectivity to the bigger world in as minimalist way as possible), you could live "modernly" at a high-quality and person-oriented lifestyle. (In the Olde days, no; but now, yes. If you can't imagine this, you lack imagination.) Then, if some really critical non-human decision was taken, it might not affect your living systems at all.

This is an example of survival of worst actions by AI. Other kinds of "Arks" have been thought out, but are in the same big bag of concepts. Any wildly different concepts must be invented. If the BIG solution (finding a means of making Artificial Intelligence Machines genuinely -- in whatever "way" they have -- CARE about what happens to humanity) doesn't get reasoned out and installed, then we're on our own as shield-builders, or robust reactionaries. Right now they don't have any "feelings" about us at all.