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[Irish#1]

I hope he gets choked out and killed. He's forcing his views on others. Someone needs to stop this filth.

Always with the hyperbole.

 

[TorontoGold]

Always with the hyperbole.

Somebody needs to care about the children. This is a threat to society. Too much virtue signaling, need to get back to family values,

 

[drayer54]

I hope he gets choked out and killed. He's forcing his views on others. Someone needs to stop this filth.

New Yorkers need to shut up, get assaulted, and deal with the chaos. They voted for the system that is allowing this. It doesn’t bother me if they kick his ass. As long as they don’t move to a red state and bring these dumb votes, I’m fine with it. Remember, this lady voted for it.

 

[Sea Turtle]

New Yorkers need to shut up, get assaulted, and deal with the chaos. They voted for the system that is allowing this. It doesn’t bother me if they kick his ass. As long as they don’t move to a red state and bring these dumb votes, I’m fine with it. Remember, this lady voted for it.

She probably did vote for it. I feel bad for her but when you leave people to their own devices, you get this.

13 people killed on that subway this year. Nobody gave a damn about any of them. A black lady was killed while taking a cat nap on that subway smh.

Nobody gave a damn about Neely until now. And they still don't care about the 4 people he assaulted, including beating the crap out of some grandma.

 

[ab2cmiller]

She probably did vote for it. I feel bad for her but when you leave people to their own devices, you get this.

13 people killed on that subway this year. Nobody gave a damn about any of them.

Nobody gave a damn about Neely until now. And they still don't care about the 4 people he assaulted.

Article basically makes this same point. Neely's death is just used as a pawn by people who have no sincere interest in Neely or even true sorrow over his death. Just an opportunity to leverage it for political gain or something as petty as getting likes on social media.

 

[ulukinatme]

I hope he gets choked out and killed. He's forcing his views on others. Someone needs to stop this filth.

Why would you link the two? They've got nothing in common.
This guy is kind of funny and entertaining tbh, and he's not threatening or assaulting anyone.

 

[IrishLax]

I have minimal sympathy here considering he was arrested 40+ times and had a history that included violent assault of innocent people on the subway. Whether you rehabilitate or incarcerate these kinds of people I don’t care but calling someone defending themselves/restraining someone a “lynching” is fucking stupid. One person who helped with the restraint was black. Just a totally absurd narrative.

 

[drayer54]

I have minimal sympathy here considering he was arrested 40+ times and had a history that included violent assault of innocent people on the subway. Whether you rehabilitate or incarcerate these kinds of people I don’t care but calling someone defending themselves/restraining someone a “lynching” is fucking stupid. One person who helped with the restraint was black. Just a totally absurd narrative.

Had the guy murdered someone on the subway, we’d hear nothing. It’s narrative. That marine better get his ass to somewhere a little more safe.

 

[Irish#1]

Somebody needs to care about the children. This is a threat to society. Too much virtue signaling, need to get back to family values,

Nothing wrong with family values.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Why would you link the two? They've got nothing in common.
This guy is kind of funny and entertaining tbh, and he's not threatening or assaulting anyone.

Would you really want to have to put up with him though?

 

[jprue24]

"Over the next thirteen years, a long list of cities and states enacted minimum wage increases of unprecedented size. Between 2014 and 2022, California increased its minimum wage by 56 percent in inflation-adjusted terms. Over a similar time period, New York raised its wage floor by 72 percent.

Permanent double digit unemployment did not ensue.

In fact, not only did these historically large minimum wage hikes fail to put all fast food workers out of job, but a new study indicates that they actually induced job growth."

New Study Finds a High Minimum Wages Creates Jobs

Conventional wisdom had long suggested the opposite.

nymag.com

 

[ulukinatme]

The Congressional Budget Office says otherwise, and there's other repercussions to consider when raising minimum wage.

Raising minimum wage to $15 would cost 1.4 million jobs, CBO says

Raising the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour would cost 1.4 million jobs over the next four years, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

www.cnbc.com

They predicted a $15 minimum wage would cost roughly 1.4 million jobs. While it could increase pay for all workers by an estimated $333 billion and would possibly lift 900,000 out of poverty, it would result in a net loss for most homes as businesses would have to increase the cost of their goods and services to compensate for the additional salaries (More inflation, bad for everyone top to bottom). It would also add a $54 billion deficit to the federal budget with the reduction in employment. The report was prepared by several dozen analysts from the CBO Microeconomics division, in addition to outside assistance coming from members of Cal, the Urban Institute, and the Brookings Institution.

For families with workers earning wages at or near the federal minimum, real income would increase. That effect would be concentrated in the lowest quintile, or fifth, of the distribution of family income.

For families that lost employment because of the increase in the minimum wage, real income would fall. That effect would also be concentrated in the lowest quintile of the income distribution, but it would be smaller than the increase in real income just described.

For families that experienced a decline in business income or saw no change in their labor income but faced higher prices for goods and services, real income would fall. That effect would be concentrated in the highest quintile of the income distribution.

It looks like they further updated predictions last year with a tool where you can see the estimated and mean job losses (As well as other factors like changes in real family income and people lifted out of poverty).

How Increasing the Federal Minimum Wage Could Affect Employment and Family Income | Congressional Budget Office

This interactive tool, updated in January 30, 2024, allows users to explore how various policies to increase the federal minimum wage would affect earnings, employment, family income, and poverty.

www.cbo.gov

 

[jprue24]

Predicted vs. reality....

 

[Blazers46]

If you are not making over $15 an hour in this post Covid economy, he just flat out don’t deserve it.

 

[jprue24]

If you are not making over $15 an hour in this post Covid economy, he just flat out don’t deserve it.

Yeah! Fuck the poors!

 

[ulukinatme]

Predicted vs. reality....

Economists have studied patterns for many, many years when it comes to raising minimum wage. There's a fine balance on how often it needs to occur and how much the increase is. One study from a bunch of students at Berkeley doesn't discredit decades of findings. It should also be noted the article came from nymag, a leftist publication, and the study was done with the restriction that this increase in jobs under a large minimum wage hike occurred under a monopsony, which won't always be the case and actually is a less common occurrence. Their conditions also suggest that owners will forgo money out of their own pocket to pay employees the new wages rather than raise the prices on their own services and goods. Let me know how many owners you'll find actually doing that when in reality you'll see more inflation everywhere as a result of the increased wages.

 

[Bishop2b5]

 

[RDU Irish]

Yeah! Fuck the poors!

Show up on time and sober with a minimal level of respect for the job at hand and you won't be poor for long.

 

[Blazers46]

Yeah! Fuck the poors!

I think at the end of the day our goal is the same. You want the poors to be paid more and so do I. Your way of getting there is just to pay them more just because, my idea is to make that person more valuable to society and a more marketable person in general thus being worth more so than they earn more. Your idea is to give, my idea is to earn. One way enables society the other way helps society.

 

[GATTACA!]

I think at the end of the day our goal is the same. You want the poors to be paid more and so do I. Your way of getting there is just to pay them more just because, my idea is to make that person more valuable to society and a more marketable person in general thus being worth more so than they earn more. Your idea is to give, my idea is to earn. One way enables society the other way helps society.

Your idea would be fine if the minimum wage hadn't lagged behind inflation by 40% since the 70s.

 

[Armyirish47]

Your idea would be fine if the minimum wage hadn't lagged behind inflation by 40% since the 70s.

They just need to work 40% harder. #EarnIt

 

[GATTACA!]

They just need to work 40% harder. #EarnIt

Idk why these dumb poor people don't just work 110 hours every week?

Back in my day I was able to support a family of 5 with a mortgage and 2 cars on just my salary! It's not that difficult dummies!

 

[TorontoGold]

Idk why these dumb poor people don't just work 110 hours every week?

Back in my day I was able to support a family of 5 with a mortgage and 2 cars on just my salary! It's not that difficult dummies!

I'm a CPA at a large firm who can't afford to buy a property with more than 1,000 sqft within 30KMs of my firm. No dependents or large debts.

But, if I just worked harder I would have a white picket fence with a luxury car and a two car garage. I can't imagine thinking that the system is working fine and it's just people don't work hard enough.

 

[Blazers46]

Your idea would be fine if the minimum wage hadn't lagged behind inflation by 40% since the 70s.

You are missing a lot of context. A dual income household was around 40% in the 70s. Also women accounted for about 25% of the total household income in that same time period. At the present a dual income household is around 70% of households and women account for almost 50% of the total household income. If the goal is just to make a living without earning it you would have to factor in more people in the household working and making more money.

Edit- I’ll even throw in there that with the rising number of divorces and single-parent homes a lot of the single income families are still collecting child support While also working and making money as a single parent. So by definition they are a single parent single income family but still unofficially a dual income household.

 

[drayer54]

Hasn’t the extreme price hikes and wage hikes we’ve seen in the last few years really made the minimum wage obsolete? You can’t hire someone for minimum wage now. Good luck finding that. When I lose employees now it is for 30-59% pay raises that I can’t compete with. People out of college want high 80’s minimum in my field. Local food places are well above min wage.

 

[GATTACA!]

You are missing a lot of context. A dual income household was around 40% in the 70s. Also women accounted for about 25% of the total household income in that same time period. At the present a dual income household is around 70% of households and women account for almost 50% of the total household income. If the goal is just to make a living without earning it you would have to factor in more people in the household working and making more money.

Edit- I’ll even throw in there that with the rising number of divorces and single-parent homes a lot of the single income families are still collecting child support While also working and making money as a single parent. So by definition they are a single parent single income family but still unofficially a dual income household.

Yes women are making a larger percentage of the household income and the number of two income households are both up because it's become basically impossible to survive on only one if you want to try and raise a family.

People doing the same job as someone from 50 years ago should be paid less, relative to inflation, because now their spouse also might work?

 

[Blazers46]

I'm a CPA at a large firm who can't afford to buy a property with more than 1,000 sqft within 30KMs of my firm. No dependents or large debts.

But, if I just worked harder I would have a white picket fence with a luxury car and a two car garage. I can't imagine thinking that the system is working fine and it's just people don't work hard enough.

You have the freedom to move out of Canada/Toronto and work somewhere else. Stop sounding like a victim of your own circumstances.

Yes women are making a larger percentage of the household income and the number of two income households are both up because it's become basically impossible to survive on only one if you want to try and raise a family.

People doing the same job as someone from 50 years ago should be paid less, relative to inflation, because now their spouse also might work?

Based on your logic yes. Your argument is pay them enough to survive not pay them based on value.

 

[GoIrish41]

I think at the end of the day our goal is the same. You want the poors to be paid more and so do I. Your way of getting there is just to pay them more just because, my idea is to make that person more valuable to society and a more marketable person in general thus being worth more so than they earn more. Your idea is to give, my idea is to earn. One way enables society the other way helps society.

His idea may be based on the idea that the low wages were exploitation all along and righting the ship should not involve continuing it while expecting workers to do more and better work with continuously declining compensation. You know what really motivates people? … being treated fairly.

 

[GATTACA!]

You have the freedom to move out of Canada/Toronto and work somewhere else. Stop sounding like a victim of your own circumstances.


Based on your logic yes. Your argument is pay them enough to survive not pay them based on value.

Nope my argument is that there's nothing in the last 50 years that has caused the average worked to be worth 40% less that their 70s counterpart. Businesses are in a race to the bottom and will, in general, always pay their employees the bare minimum they can get away with. The government should have been raising the minimum wage annually to keep pace with inflation instead of letting it get so far out of hand that being a two income family is the necessity now instead of a choice.

 

[Blazers46]

Nope my argument is that there's nothing in the last 50 years that has caused the average worked to be worth 40% less that their 70s counterpart. Businesses are in a race to the bottom and will, in general, always pay their employees the bare minimum they can get away with. The government should have been raising the minimum wage annually to keep pace with inflation instead of letting it get so far out of hand that being a two income family is the necessity now instead of a choice.

Technology has happened in the last 50 years. If you think jobs of the 70s are just valuable as they once were you are fooling yourself.

I would also disagree with your race to the bottom argument. Many companies that routinely employ the entry level positions… McDonalds, Target, Walmart…. all pay above the min wage.

My brother is a hiring manager for social workers in Colorado and cannot compete and pay entry level Masters Educated social workers because they can do less work for slightly lesser pay at Chick Fil A.

I was a hiring manager/owner for several years. Post Covid I couldn’t find anyone willing to work for less than $15 so we paid $17 and still got entry level work we were paying $12 for pre Covid.