Crist vs Rees

[pkt77242]

So can we say the qb competition is open again for next week's game? Tonight's loss wasn't Tommy's fault, in fact he is probably the hero if the defense holds on for the win...

But this team needs a game changer at qb. Tommy is good, but I just don't feel he is THE guy. I'm not sure Dayne is the answer, but I think he deserves a second chance. I am curious to see what Hendrix, or even Golson, would look like in this offense too. Now that the season is in shambles I would like to see Kelly experiment a little and find an identity on offense.

My first post of the night as I have tried to keep my mouth shut as I get myself very drunk but, this is crazy talk. Do you remember what it was like starting a freshmen quarterback (see Jimmy Clausen's freshmen year for a refresher). Rees didn't play great but he played good enough to win. Everyone just needs to step back take a breath and relax. Then we can panic next week if we lose to Michigan State. If we can win next week we still have a decent shot at 8-4 or even 9-3.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Jesus, Mary & Joseph....Let's not start this again. Tommy is a leader....Dayne is a follower.... I love dayne, but does not respond to mean men yelling obscene words. Tommy can handle that.... We'd be celebrating a win right now if Gary Gray wasn't playing with his scrotum all night. Mr. Diaco, Where are you this evening??????

 

[NDfan12]

My first post of the night as I have tried to keep my mouth shut as I get myself very drunk but, this is crazy talk. Do you remember what it was like starting a freshmen quarterback (see Jimmy Clausen's freshmen year for a refresher). Rees didn't play great but he played good enough to win. Everyone just needs to step back take a breath and relax. Then we can panic next week if we lose to Michigan State. If we can win next week we still have a decent shot at 8-4 or even 9-3.

My thoughts exactly. Rees is young and made a few 'eh' decisions but that final drive..with 115k people screaming at the top of their lungs to score a TD makes me really like this kid. Not his fault we let them get to the 10 or whatever and that Gray wasn't looking for the ball on that last pass. I got a good feeling we're going to beat MSU at home next week and should be smooth sailing until USC and Stanford.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

Tommy's here to stay.
I think we might be in for a two quarterback system next season.
Golson in a Tebow/change of pace role.

 

[PJWhitfield]

Bob Griese wanted to come to Notre Dame, and Coach Kuharich said, too small. Johnny Unitas wanted to come to Notre Dame and Leahy said, too small. Joe Montana sat on the bench waiting for Devine to get as smart as the guys hanging around the gas station. I give Kelly credit for the quick U-turn. Rees is a cool-hand Luke. He will do fine.

 

[RadioSean]

Tommy is a leader....Dayne is a follower.

Amen!

 

[GoIrish41]

My thoughts exactly. Rees is young and made a few 'eh' decisions but that final drive..with 115k people screaming at the top of their lungs to score a TD makes me really like this kid. Not his fault we let them get to the 10 or whatever and that Gray wasn't looking for the ball on that last pass. I got a good feeling we're going to beat MSU at home next week and should be smooth sailing until USC and Stanford.

Fair point about his last drive, but he's also the guy who threw two INTs and fumbled the ball without anyone touching him on a drive that could have put the game out of reach. I'd like to see the young guys get a look.

 

[NDfan12]

Fair point about his last drive, but he's also the guy who threw two INTs and fumbled the ball without anyone touching him on a drive that could have put the game out of reach. I'd like to see the young guys get a look.

I agree, most of tonight has been a blur (anger + beer) so I really don't remember the two picks. I definitely remember the fumble that probably would have put the game out of reach. I think eventually it'll be a a Rees/Golson type offense kind of like how UF did with Leak/TeBow, I still have high hopes for this season. Kelly needs to get them focused to play four quarters of football instead of three. ND beats MSU 37-30 on Saturday.

 

[IrishLax]

Crist worries about the little things too much and it causes him to freeze. Tommy worries about them too little and it causes him to make at least two really stupid passes a game (it seems) that may or may not get picked off.

Tommy is SO GOOD at moving this offense when he is on. But guys, let's be serious for a second... he has something like 17 TDs to 12 INTs right now... and I think he has something like 3 fumbles lost as well.

A QB with a 1:1 TD to turnover ratio isn't going to win you any games. He needs to correct this issue or he needs to see the bench.

 

[Ignats]

Tommy's here to stay.
I think we might be in for a two quarterback system next season.
Golson in a Tebow/change of pace role.

From the game today, it really struck me that while Tommy had an excellent game, we really need a QB in the spread who can scramble. 3rd and 1 and we ran it up the middle 3 times getting stuffed every single time. Most spread offenses have QB's that can roll right and make something happen as an alternative to just running up the middle.

Also, I don't understand why people keep asking for Golson to run this change of pace role, especially if its in the red zone. I'm not sure if you've ever actually noticed this but as someone who sees this guy everyday, Hendrix is a huge, yes, huge guy. This guy can be a battering ram in the red zone and could solve our problem of ineptitude down by the goal line if Kelly just gives him a chance.

 

[BGIF]

So can we say the qb competition is open again for next week's game?

No we can't. To do so is buffoonery.

Tonight's loss wasn't Tommy's fault, in fact he is probably the hero if the defense holds on for the win...

How gracious of you, as Tommy had a QB Efficiency Rating of 152, a tad better than his rating last week of 151, while the defense held UM to under 100 yds in the 1st hafl and gave up 350 yds in the 2nd half.

But this team needs a game changer at qb. Tommy is good, but I just don't feel he is THE guy. I'm not sure Dayne is the answer, but I think he deserves a second chance. I am curious to see what Hendrix, or even Golson, would look like in this offense too.

Tommy's QB Efficiency Rating through 2 games is 151.8. By comparision Clausen in his BEST SEASON had a 161.4 and Quinn's BEST SEASON was 158.4. Both accomplish that in their last year as a multiyear starter. BTW, Clausen and Quinn are in the TOP THREE of ND's ALL-TIME QBs.

For their careers, Clausen's QB rating was 137.2 and Quinn's was 134.4. And you "don't feel he is THE guy". Dayne by the way has a QB rating of 86.5 for 2011. Hendrix and Golson are still learning the playbook.

Holtz said, "At Notre Dame the fan's favorite quarterback is the one not playing." Congrats Honey on keepin' that alive.

Now that the season is in shambles I would like to see Kelly experiment a little and find an identity on offense.

Shambles? ND has lost 2 games because of excessive turnovers. The Offense is averaging over 500 yds/game. That's puts them in the Top 5 in the Nation and it wasn't achieved against Division 1AA schools.

ND's got a Top 5 Offense. It's balanced. 100 Rusher and 100 Receiver two weeks in a row again against formidable opponents. AND you want to experiment and find an identity on offense.

One less key turnover in both games, one more key defensive stop by Gary Gray in both games and ND is UNDEFEATED and knocking on the door of the Top 10. Instead this week ND probably doesn't get any votes in the Top 25. Regardless Rees isn't the problem.

This team still has a solid shot at 11-2.

 

[GoIrish41]

Crist worries about the little things too much and it causes him to freeze. Tommy worries about them too little and it causes him to make at least two really stupid passes a game (it seems) that may or may not get picked off.

Tommy is SO GOOD at moving this offense when he is on. But guys, let's be serious for a second... he has something like 17 TDs to 12 INTs right now... and I think he has something like 3 fumbles lost as well.

A QB with a 1:1 TD to turnover ratio isn't going to win you any games. He needs to correct this issue or he needs to see the bench.

Rees is OK, but he's definately not spectacular. The biggest thing he has going for him is that he plays better than Crist on Saturdays. I want to see Hendrix or even Golson get a look.

 

[ThePiombino]

I agree that Rees is our best option right now, but anyone who thinks he is the guy is sorely mistaken. Let's not confuse the guy with the best we have. The guy does not throw 2 INTs and fumble a ball inside the 10 without being touched. Though, I will give him MAJOR props for that final offensive drive- the ice water must have been flowing!

 

[Old Man Mike]

Thank God we have Tommy Rees. He may make some errors occasionally [like his difficulty seeing the secondary poaching D-Back especially it seems when he's looking right] but he's a tough-minded character who knows the plays better than his receivers and knows the opponents' defenses. His mistakes are "rep reparable" in my opinion, and at least he is not a choker like some of his teammates. Tommy is one of the [currently] VERY few reasons that I have some optimism of winning some games this season. [I will no longer speculate on which nor how many as this team does things entirely unpredictably once they get on the field and off the paper measurables sheets]. [By the way, on offense, only Mike Floyd and the line have shown me that they are really mentally tough this year alongside Tommy. Jonas Gray has now impressed me as being mentally tough, post his fumble, as well. Other people are very talented, even spectacularly oftimes, but I've not seen the toughness yet in them to play intensely every play. Still, statistically, we seem to generally roll until someone screws it up].

 

[Grahambo]

People want to see what Golson or Hendrix would look like in this offense? They would look worse then Crist. You place your kids in a situation to succeed, not see what they would look like in the offense.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

Also, I don't understand why people keep asking for Golson to run this change of pace role, especially if its in the red zone. I'm not sure if you've ever actually noticed this but as someone who sees this guy everyday, Hendrix is a huge, yes, huge guy. This guy can be a battering ram in the red zone and could solve our problem of ineptitude down by the goal line if Kelly just gives him a chance.

Thank you! I don't get the Golston love, either, and I'm just ignoring it as stupidity from now on. If we stick him in now, he turns into another Denard (gimmicky guy that can't throw anything other than jump balls). Let Golston learn from the bench. I'm not calling for a change-of-pace package, but if you are going to do it, it needs to be Hendrix.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

irishfan8 quoted me about Golson and if you read my post, it's calling for him as a change of pace qb NEXT season.

I thought Hendrix would be the number 2 this year.
I was wrong and Tommy is in for good.

 

[mrmiller8]

Why is anyone asking for a change at the Quarterback position? This seriously has to stop. Tommy Reese is a sophomore who is 4-1 as a starter. After last night he should have been 5-0 unfortunately the Irish may have one of the worst corners in the nation in Gary Gray. He looked lost on numerous plays...Blanton is a stud but gray has to go. Tommy Reese has done nothing but win games and keep notre dame in games they shouldnt be in.....Against USF without Tommy that game is 38-3......He brought em back....He won 4 games last year against the hardest part of the schedule.....He had that game won last night scored with 30 seconds left and everyone thought the game was over....Tommy is a gamer and I enjoy watching him for three more years....We have a guy who is more than capable starter, understands the offense, and moves the football. We lose and all of a sudden is a quarterback problem.....again......You guys have got to be sh*tt*n me....

 

[pkt77242]

Because on average he throws over 2 interceptions per start. That is awful.

No he doesn't I already debunked this in another thread. He has now thrown 6 picks in 5 starts.

 

[pkt77242]

He has 12 career picks and 5 career starts. I understand that he threw picks in some games he didn't start (al la USF), but if you want to strickly compare starts to interceptions, it's still over 1 per game.

You can either say he has 12 picks in 8 career games or 6 picks in 5 career starts but you can't say 12 picks in 5 starts as that is misleading.

 

[koonja]

You can either say he has 12 picks in 8 career games or 6 picks in 5 career starts but you can't say 12 picks in 5 starts as that is misleading.

True.

I'll say 12 picks and 5 career starts . I get what you're saying, though.

He is not a good QB right now. Unfortunately, I don't know that Crist is either. I don't think we've seen the last of Crist and I did say this before the Michigan game.

 

[tko]

True.

I'll say 12 picks and 5 career starts . I get what you're saying, though.

He is not a good QB right now. Unfortunately, I don't know that Crist is either. I don't think we've seen the last of Crist and I did say this before the Michigan game.

i hope we've seen the last of crist. he looked terrified on the sidelines last night.

 

[BeatSC]

9 Turnovers

9 Turnovers

USC game 4 TO's
1/2 of USF game 2 TO's
UM Game 3 TO's

That's 9 TO's in 3 of is last 4 games. Not acceptable. We would be screaming to pull Dayne's scholarship if he pulled this sh#t. Does anybody remember Dayne's performance against UM last year? Not having any threat for Tommy to consider running when a hole presents itself allows the D to not worry about containging a QB. Dayne can run. Kelly has got to add another wrinkle on tese predictable short yardage calls.

 

[koonja]

Yeah, our QBs aren't good. Anyone who associates the word great with any of our QBs should be referred to the delusional Irish fan youtube video.

 

[Sicko]

not big on either...but I can LIVE with Reese

 

[DONTH8]

Who thinks we'll see Golson start getting some action to get ready for next year?

 

[SBjandy7]

Any one calling for Crist to be the starter needs to look at film. Crist, if out there last night, would have been a deer in the headlights. He's a great guy, but when he has people running down on him, he cracks. Tommy makes mistakes. Yes. But so does every SOPHOMORE quarterback. Brady made mistakes. Andrew Luck made mistakes. Landry jones made mistakes last year for Oklahoma. But no one called for their heads. They lined up beside him, and watched him grow. Rockets' greatest fear is coming true. Unbelief has reared it's ugly head on this board. Rees gives us the best chance to win. If you disagree, watch that last minute drive he put together.

 

[Rhode Irish]

This is the exact Rees game that I was worried about and why I wanted Crist to be the QB. Doing just enough to stay in the game, but is not helping them win the game. The offense is a joke right now. We had one huge play, otherwise we have done nothing.

 

[koonja]

Is it still a sin to question our starting QB because Brian Kelly chose him so therefore it is stupid to question it?

Just wondering.

 

[koonja]

This is the exact Rees game that I was worried about and why I wanted Crist to be the QB. Doing just enough to stay in the game, but is not helping them win the game. The offense is a joke right now. We had one huge play, otherwise we have done nothing.

Against the #119 ranked pass defense!!!