Crist vs Rees

[IrishJayhawk]

1) Rees may not be making the calls, but he's the one going through the progressions and staring down receivers...

If you're worried about staring down receivers, why in the world would you think that Dayne Crist is the answer?

 

[maybenextyear]

tommy is 6-1 as a starter. im going with the percentages here, folks.

 

[amgarvey]

"Did Crist ever go against the worst passing defense in the country and need a 4th quarter comeback in order to win?"

uhhh bro - first of all its week 4 so its not like Pitt has been the worst pass defense for decades. second - how much did they prepare for Maine v. Notre Dame?

also - i don't know how else to stress this - Rees is not calling the plays. he's the QB. if Crist was out there i would not be blaming him for the coaching. outside of the Gray TD how well did we run it today? no one says bench Cierre.

Rees wins games. Dayne Crist doesn't. proof again today with Tommy winning the game.

The games we have won with Tommy at QB are in spite of him being QB, not because of it. I'm not sure how people don't see this. If a pitcher wins 20 games because he gives up 9 runs a game and his offense scores 10 runs a game his team won in spite of him. That doesn't mean he's good, it means he's fortunate to have a team that will carry him. A QB that gives up 4 turnovers a game is no different.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Am I the only one getting sick of not giving Hendrix at least some package plays? They could get his feet wet, also, he's already sat out a year, so might as well utilize an athlete.

 

[ThePiombino]

so much denial in this thread its not even funny. Dayne Crist never failed on the final drive???? what? this from the same cat who said "look at tape from early last season" when Crist threw the ball to the tuba player on 4th against Michigan to end the game. good job.

we'll see where Pitt's pass D ranks at the end of the year.

First of all, you make it sound like he threw that ball from the 5. The snap was at what? The 25 or so? Second of all, let's not forget that Crist played the 2nd half of that game after being knocked silly earlier in the 1st. If it wasn't for the ineptitude od Montana AND Rees, ND would have won that game going away. Good job yourself.

 

[DuffHouse12]

"The games we have won with Tommy at QB are in spite of him being QB, not because of it"

yeah dude, the Notre Dame offense went 85 yards to win the game in spite of Rees throwing the ball to a receiver that was caught every time.

cant. make. this. up.

 

[DuffHouse12]

"If it wasn't for the ineptitude od Montana AND Rees, ND would have won that game going away. Good job yourself."

dude Rees was a true freshman at that point and Crist was a Junior who had played behind JC for 2 years. bottom line he didn't give the team a chance to win. he threw the ball out of the field of play.

 

[amgarvey]

"The games we have won with Tommy at QB are in spite of him being QB, not because of it"

yeah dude, the Notre Dame offense went 85 yards to win the game in spite of Rees throwing the ball to a receiver that was caught every time.

cant. make. this. up.

are. you. r.e.t.a.r.d.e.d.? What. about. the. rest. of. the. game.

 

[jmurphy75]

Yall can argue till your all blue in the face...the simple fact is Dayne had that deer in the headlights look during the USF game. I'm a huge Dayne fan but he was the leader that coudn't lead, so Tommy got the go ahead. Don't get me wrong I'm not happy with Tommy's turnovers either but the team follows his cool headed leadership and that somehow translates into wins....ugly or not. You can bag on Tommy all you want but he's earned my respect....I don't care who you are, to come in and win as a freshman and lead the team to the finishes they had last year with wins at the Yankee Stadium, The Colosseum and Sun Bowl....your a leader.

 

[PJWhitfield]

Rees has to get the nod, and I credit BK for sticking with Rees despite a bad half against Pitt. Talent means absolutely nothing. The world is full of talented people who get outperformed by people with less skills but greater intangibles, such as the ability to perform well under pressure. Look at Rees today at crunch time: Eight straight complete passes.

 

[ThePiombino]

ok so we had equally effective pass and running games, my point is why would we then bench the QB? your making my point man.

i love the avatar btw, and i think i had you confused with someone else when i said "this from the cat who said..." so i wanna say my bad for that.

No prob, I just ignored that bc I had no idea wth you were talking about.

If you're worried about staring down receivers, why in the world would you think that Dayne Crist is the answer?

Because with all other things being equal, I'll take the physically superior athlete.

tommy is 5-1 as a starter. im going with the percentages here, folks.

Again, 5-1 despite himself.

yeah dude, the Notre Dame offense went 85 yards to win the game in spite of Rees throwing the ball to a receiver that was caught every time.

cant. make. this. up.

Why do you refuse to acknowledge the first 3 1/2 quarters of the game? If Tommy played 50% as efficient during that span ND would have needed an 85-yard final drive.

 

[amgarvey]

Rees definitely does some things much better than dayne and pretty well over all, but his deficiencies are to much for the team to continue to overcome. He is already low ceiling is crumbling.

 

[EifertPower]

when was the last time Dayne Crist had a drive like Rees had to win that game?

Rees has had 2 drives like that THIS SEASON (Michigan ended up being a loss), not to mention a game winning drive @ USC!!!!

Crist NEVER has. I will wait for someone to point out a signature Crist drive that doesn't end with him passing the ball to the tuba player.

I really disagree with you here. Crist's game last year against Michigan was pretty heroic in my opinion. He was great before the concussion and then showed what a warrior he was coming back and playing in the 2nd half. That 95 yard touchdown to Rudolph with 2 minutes left was one of the all time great ND plays if the defense doesn't choke.

If michigan state doesn't pull off an incredible fake fg on us last year people would have praised him for that game. The Navy loss had little to do with Crist and more to do with the fact that ND couldn't stop the Navy option on defense.

Rees INTs are why we lost to Tulsa last year without question. Rees INTs nearly cost us the USC game too and the main reason we won that game was because of Robert Hughes and that USC receiver dropping an easy TD.

Rees has now proven to be a turnover machine. The sample size is large enough to claim that.

 

[DuffHouse12]

are. you. r.e.t.a.r.d.e.d.? What. about. the. rest. of. the. game.

what about it? Rees won the game with a fantastic game-winning drive. going 8 for 8 with a TD and a 2pt in spite of Rees?

did that not happen? Notre Dame was out-coached all game on both sides of the ball. Rees won it in spite of the coaches if you ask me. again look at his #s.

if he wasn't grounding blown up screens like a vet all game then he could have had more completions.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

All things are not equal. Tommy has won lots have games. Dayne hasn't.

I KNOW it's more complex than that, but it's very clear that Tommy understands the offense way better than Dayne. If he gets replaced and Dayne is brillant, I'd love to be wrong.

I just don't know where your evidence is...

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I really disagree with you here. Crist's game last year against Michigan was pretty heroic in my opinion. He was great before the concussion and then showed what a warrior he was coming back and playing in the 2nd half. That 95 yard touchdown to Rudolph with 2 minutes left was one of the all time great ND plays if the defense doesn't choke.

If michigan state doesn't pull off an incredible fake fg on us last year people would have praised him for that game. The Navy loss had little to do with Crist and more to do with the fact that ND couldn't stop the Navy option on defense.

Rees INTs are why we lost to Tulsa last year without question. Rees INTs nearly cost us the USC game too and the main reason we won that game was because of Robert Hughes and that USC receiver dropping an easy TD.

Rees has now proven to be a turnover machine. The sample size is large enough to claim that.

And if the defense can hold a lead with 30 seconds, people think Tommy is the second coming.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

are. you. r.e.t.a.r.d.e.d.? What. about. the. rest. of. the. game.

Appreciate the conversation, but don't appreciate the language.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

I really disagree with you here. Crist's game last year against Michigan was pretty heroic in my opinion. He was great before the concussion and then showed what a warrior he was coming back and playing in the 2nd half. That 95 yard touchdown to Rudolph with 2 minutes left was one of the all time great ND plays if the defense doesn't choke.

If michigan state doesn't pull off an incredible fake fg on us last year people would have praised him for that game. The Navy loss had little to do with Crist and more to do with the fact that ND couldn't stop the Navy option on defense.

Rees INTs are why we lost to Tulsa last year without question. Rees INTs nearly cost us the USC game too and the main reason we won that game was because of Robert Hughes and that USC receiver dropping an easy TD.

Rees has now proven to be a turnover machine. The sample size is large enough to claim that.

It is a serious problem. Is Hendrix really not showing up at all in practice?

Maybe Kelly should quit it with the "short n up-tempo" practices and focus spending more time on players knowing what to do and executing. It's not like we work an up-tempo offense in games.

Then when we have a well oiled machine go to the up-tempo practices..

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Career As The Starter

Career As The Starter

Dayne Crist: 4-6 (huge wins against Purdue, Western Michigan Pitt and a depleted Fredo team)

Tommy Rees: 6-2 (USC, Utah, Army, Miami, Michigan State and Pitt)

For those of you still whining about Golden Boy still sitting on the sidelines with his frowny-face and clipboard.......
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[DuffHouse12]

"Rees INTs are why we lost to Tulsa last year without question."

what? Rees wasn't like "let me throw somethin' coach" they should have kicked the FG to win. the kicker was perfect on the year. not Rees's call.

what about the TD drive by Rees to end the first half of the USC game last season? did that almost cost them the game?

this argument is ridiculous. Rees is better and today was not a benching day.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

All things are not equal. Tommy has won lots have games. Dayne hasn't.

I KNOW it's more complex than that, but it's very clear that Tommy understands the offense way better than Dayne. If he gets replaced and Dayne is brillant, I'd love to be wrong.

I just don't know where your evidence is...

When dayne played.... zero offense or running attack..


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[amgarvey]

I apologize. That is not a word I would normally use.

 

[ThePiombino]

When dayne played.... zero offense or running attack..


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Don't forget ZERO defense. If Tommy got the same defensive support that Dayne got his record wouldn't be too pretty either.

 

[EifertPower]

What you see with Rees right now is as good as it will ever get. He is a turnover machine. He will fumble the football every time he gets hit from the side. He will always be slow and he will always be small. He will make some nice passes but to me he's a good backup QB for an okay team.

I think it's more that some people just really are anti-Dayne Crist and don't want to see him back because you feel he isn't "the guy" either. I guess i'm okay with that but then recognize it's time to hand it over to Hendrix or Golson.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I apologize. That is not a word I would normally use.

We're cool.

 

[jmurphy75]

Rees definitely does some things much better than dayne and pretty well over all, but his deficiencies are to much for the team to continue to overcome. He is already low ceiling is crumbling.

He may not be considerd as athletic as Dayne, but he's 19 years old we don't know what his ceiling is. With the wins he has I'd hardly say his ceiling is crumbling, the more he plays the better he'll get....is he our answer to the QB question? Maybe not for the long haul but for now I'd rather have a proven winner direct this team than one that falls apart after a couple of bad plays.

 

[DuffHouse12]

"What you see with Rees right now is as good as it will ever get."

that's such a fundamentally unsound statement. He's like 19 years old. I know i'm much better at EVERYTHING that i do now than when i was 19.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

What you see with Rees right now is as good as it will ever get. He is a turnover machine. He will fumble the football every time he gets hit from the side. He will always be slow and he will always be small. He will make some nice passes but to me he's a good backup QB for an okay team.

I think it's more that some people just really are anti-Dayne Crist and don't want to see him back because you feel he isn't "the guy" either. I guess i'm okay with that but then recognize it's time to hand it over to Hendrix or Golson.

Agree. There's no way that a sophomore 20 year old quarterback could possibly get any better. I mean, guys...he's started 7 games now and only won 6 of them. He's clearly hit a ceiling. Why do we think that he could possibly do more?

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

He may not be considerd as athletic as Dayne, but he's 19 years old we don't know what his ceiling is. With the wins he has I'd hardly say his ceiling is crumbling, the more he plays the better he'll get....is he our answer to the QB question? Maybe not for the long haul but for now I'd rather have a proven winner direct this team than one that falls apart after a couple of bad plays.

:awesomewo

 

[jmurphy75]

Dayne Crist: 4-6 (huge wins against Purdue, Western Michigan Pitt and a depleted Fredo team)

Tommy Rees: 6-2 (USC, Utah, Army, Miami, Michigan State and Pitt)

For those of you still whining about Golden Boy still sitting on the sidelines with his frowny-face and clipboard.......
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