COVID-19

[notredomer23]

More evidence that the CDC is hiding 6000+ deaths from the vaccine: https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/12/health/johnson-vaccine-guillain-barre-syndrome-fda/index.html

"Reports of GBS after receipt of the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine in the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) are rare, but do likely indicate a small possible risk of this side effect following this vaccine. Around 100 preliminary reports of GBS have been detected in VAERS after 12.8 million doses of J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine administered. These cases have largely been reported about two weeks after vaccination and mostly in males, many aged 50 years and older."

Glad they caught this because GBS can be very serious without early supportive treatment it sounds.

The rate of GBS normally is 2 in 100,000.

 

[RDU Irish]

I find it hilarious how every ailment known to man that was diagnosed when contracting C19 was 150% the fault of the disease but now any adverse vaccine information is voodoo. Now the opposing folks that tracked down all the BS cases of motorcycle crashes labeled Covid deaths are now tracking down every stubbed toe after the vaccine. Maybe the reality is somewhere in between and we should all get back to our damn lives. Everyone who wants a vaccine has had ample opportunity (except for kid's who don't need it).

 

[ab2cmiller]

I find it hilarious how every ailment known to man that was diagnosed when contracting C19 was 150% the fault of the disease but now any adverse vaccine information is voodoo. Now the opposing folks that tracked down all the BS cases of motorcycle crashes labeled Covid deaths are now tracking down every stubbed toe after the vaccine. Maybe the reality is somewhere in between and we should all get back to our damn lives. Everyone who wants a vaccine has had ample opportunity (except for kid's who don't need it).

Exactly. Every person in the hospital that tested as positive upon entering the facility, is counted as a COVID hospitilization. Every person who dies that tested positive for COVID is a COVID death. Fine. If you want to use that methodology, then every person who dies within days or weeks of getting the vaccine is automatically a vaccine death.

 

[IrishRazor82]

Show me the verified reports of 6000 dead, not from VAERS. I'm not going to wait, because you can't.

Straight from Merck. You know, the makes of Ivermectin. https://www.merck.com/news/merck-statement-on-ivermectin-use-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/

You can't be this stupid, can you?

Have you ever used VAERS? It's an awful site, no wonder historically an estimated ~1% of incidents are reported.

Anyway, this article is now old, but you get the idea. The new number is over 11,000 deaths from the COVID vaccines with hundreds of thousands of adverse reactions. On top of what we all know (heart inflamation, blood clots, nerve damage, miscarriages).

In the 31 year history of VAERS, there were 5,000 total vaccine related deaths in total.

Quite interested to see how this experiment continues to play out.

https://peckford42.wordpress.com/20...the-previous-decade-thanks-to-the-covid-jabs/

 

[phork]

Have you ever used VAERS? It's an awful site, no wonder historically an estimated ~1% of incidents are reported.

Anyway, this article is now old, but you get the idea. The new number is over 11,000 deaths from the COVID vaccines with hundreds of thousands of adverse reactions. On top of what we all know (heart inflamation, blood clots, nerve damage, miscarriages).

In the 31 year history of VAERS, there were 5,000 total vaccine related deaths in total.

Quite interested to see how this experiment continues to play out.

https://peckford42.wordpress.com/20...the-previous-decade-thanks-to-the-covid-jabs/

I am going to say this again slowly for you. Literally anyone can entire something into the database. All entries are investigated, especially deaths. The database is not updated with the findings. There have been zero reports of actual deaths from people getting the vaccine.

Heart inflamation occurs when you get any virus, including covid. It typically resolves itself without medical intervention.
There is no nerve damage, or higher rates of miscarriages.

Stop reading Qanon bullshit.

 

[phork]

More evidence that the CDC is hiding 6000+ deaths from the vaccine: https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/12/health/johnson-vaccine-guillain-barre-syndrome-fda/index.html



Glad they caught this because GBS can be very serious without early supportive treatment it sounds.

The rate of GBS normally is 2 in 100,000.

So GBS with the vaccine is 100 preliminary in 12.8 million shots vs 2 in 100,000 you say? Quick math says get the vaccine.

I find it hilarious how every ailment known to man that was diagnosed when contracting C19 was 150% the fault of the disease but now any adverse vaccine information is voodoo. Now the opposing folks that tracked down all the BS cases of motorcycle crashes labeled Covid deaths are now tracking down every stubbed toe after the vaccine. Maybe the reality is somewhere in between and we should all get back to our damn lives. Everyone who wants a vaccine has had ample opportunity (except for kid's who don't need it).

Exactly. Every person in the hospital that tested as positive upon entering the facility, is counted as a COVID hospitilization. Every person who dies that tested positive for COVID is a COVID death. Fine. If you want to use that methodology, then every person who dies within days or weeks of getting the vaccine is automatically a vaccine death.

You guys aren't familiar with how death certificates are filled out are you? Please take 3 seconds and google it.

 

[phork]

https://www.localmemphis.com/articl...d-19/522-f63115ec-b959-4bb4-bc41-09e1e23a714a

Good thing kids can't get it.

 

[RDU Irish]

https://www.localmemphis.com/articl...d-19/522-f63115ec-b959-4bb4-bc41-09e1e23a714a

Good thing kids can't get it.

It's almost as if prolonging the inevitable had a negative consequence. We better lock them all in closets - just throw a laptop in there and they can remote learn until coronaviruses no longer exist.

 

[RDU Irish]

1) So GBS with the vaccine is 100 preliminary in 12.8 million shots vs 2 in 100,000 you say? Quick math says get the vaccine.

2) You guys aren't familiar with how death certificates are filled out are you? Please take 3 seconds and google it.

1) Exactly the point - every affliction was blamed on Covid so you don't get to use science now to explain all of the afflictions blamed on the vaccine.

2) WTF are you even claiming here? If you are a 95 year old, 300 pound diabetic with COPD and you get Covid you are likely dead. Hell any coronavirus has a good shot at taking you out, definitely the flu. You think C19 isn't showing somewhere on that death certificate? It is the whole "of" versus "with" debate that is never debated seriously. Healthy people do not need to lose sleep over dying from this any more than they lose sleep over getting struck by lightning or dying in a car crash.

I stand my my statements from a year ago - we are predominantly paying forward deaths by a few years with this disease. I expect death rates will be below normal for 2022 and 2023 as those folks who died with C19 in 2020/21 were likely not making it much further down the road.That doesn't mean tragic young deaths don't happen, just isn't something you should statistically worry about more than piles of other life risks. Young, healthy people still have way more to worry about the flu than they do Covid - that is a fact. Yet we are not requiring flu vaccines to go to college or elementary school are we?

I would love to hear what needs to happen to get back to normal. Because I think the answer from too many is "never".

 

[TorontoGold]

1) Exactly the point - every affliction was blamed on Covid so you don't get to use science now to explain all of the afflictions blamed on the vaccine.

2) WTF are you even claiming here? If you are a 95 year old, 300 pound diabetic with COPD and you get Covid you are likely dead. Hell any coronavirus has a good shot at taking you out, definitely the flu. You think C19 isn't showing somewhere on that death certificate? It is the whole "of" versus "with" debate that is never debated seriously. Healthy people do not need to lose sleep over dying from this any more than they lose sleep over getting struck by lightning or dying in a car crash.

I stand my my statements from a year ago - we are predominantly paying forward deaths by a few years with this disease. I expect death rates will be below normal for 2022 and 2023 as those folks who died with C19 in 2020/21 were likely not making it much further down the road.That doesn't mean tragic young deaths don't happen, just isn't something you should statistically worry about more than piles of other life risks. Young, healthy people still have way more to worry about the flu than they do Covid - that is a fact. Yet we are not requiring flu vaccines to go to college or elementary school are we?

I would love to hear what needs to happen to get back to normal. Because I think the answer from too many is "never".

Think it's gotta be vaccines, France is going in the vaccine passport direction and it's seen a huge uptick in vaccine uptake. Took a while for smoking to be banned from public settings (resto's etc.), think COVID vaccination cards won't take as long as that.

 

[RDU Irish]

Think it's gotta be vaccines, France is going in the vaccine passport direction and it's seen a huge uptick in vaccine uptake. Took a while for smoking to be banned from public settings (resto's etc.), think COVID vaccination cards won't take as long as that.

Yeah - vaccines are out and available to anybody who wants one over age 12. Yet just as hysterical as we were 12 months ago. So you are 100% wrong.

Why not require flu vaccines too? It is more dangerous to me and my kids than Covid (not even close really).

 

[ab2cmiller]

Yeah - vaccines are out and available to anybody who wants one over age 12. Yet just as hysterical as we were 12 months ago. So you are 100% wrong.

Why not require flu vaccines too? It is more dangerous to me and my kids than Covid (not even close really).

Shhhhh, once they figure this part out, they will be doing remote learning for perpetuity ...... for the sake of the children.

 

[Trait Expectations]

Yeah - vaccines are out and available to anybody who wants one over age 12. Yet just as hysterical as we were 12 months ago. So you are 100% wrong.

Why not require flu vaccines too? It is more dangerous to me and my kids than Covid (not even close really).

The vaccine is more dangerous to you and your kids than COVID?

 

[ab2cmiller]

The vaccine is more dangerous to you and your kids than COVID?

We don’t know if it’s more dangerous. What we do know is that COVID poses close to zero risk for kids. I got the vaccine, but if I had kids not yet in high school there would be no way I would vaccinate them with a vaccine being implemented through an emergency use authorization.

It’s all about your risk profile. Kids have almost zero risk and as he said earlier, the flu is far deadlier to that age bracket.

 

[TorontoGold]

Yeah - vaccines are out and available to anybody who wants one over age 12. Yet just as hysterical as we were 12 months ago. So you are 100% wrong.

Why not require flu vaccines too? It is more dangerous to me and my kids than Covid (not even close really).

Aren't most mask guidance and other restrictions gone? Weren't they lifted?

My statement was more that vaccines are the way through this thing, not sure what I'm wrong about there.

 

[Irishize]

 

[Ndaccountant]

1) Exactly the point - every affliction was blamed on Covid so you don't get to use science now to explain all of the afflictions blamed on the vaccine.

2) WTF are you even claiming here? If you are a 95 year old, 300 pound diabetic with COPD and you get Covid you are likely dead. Hell any coronavirus has a good shot at taking you out, definitely the flu. You think C19 isn't showing somewhere on that death certificate? It is the whole "of" versus "with" debate that is never debated seriously. Healthy people do not need to lose sleep over dying from this any more than they lose sleep over getting struck by lightning or dying in a car crash.

I stand my my statements from a year ago - we are predominantly paying forward deaths by a few years with this disease. I expect death rates will be below normal for 2022 and 2023 as those folks who died with C19 in 2020/21 were likely not making it much further down the road.That doesn't mean tragic young deaths don't happen, just isn't something you should statistically worry about more than piles of other life risks. Young, healthy people still have way more to worry about the flu than they do Covid - that is a fact. Yet we are not requiring flu vaccines to go to college or elementary school are we?

I would love to hear what needs to happen to get back to normal. Because I think the answer from too many is "never".

Regardless of the circumstance, this is going to likely be the most significant event that collectively impacted everyone in our lifetime. I don't see how life isn't permanently altered. It's human nature.

 

[IrishLax]

Aren't most mask guidance and other restrictions gone? Weren't they lifted?

My statement was more that vaccines are the way through this thing, not sure what I'm wrong about there.

In my area we've had very high levels of vaccinations for months now. Our 7 day running average has been between 1 and 5 cases per day in a county of about a quarter million people. That's since May, so we have 2+ months of effectively zero cases. Everything is back to normal, no one is wearing masks, no one is getting sick.

There are still some crazies who wear masks and are afraid to go out even after being vaccinated. Nothing is going to change the minds of these people. Is what it is, there are a lot of kooky people in this country.

Country wide in June, 99%+ of COVID deaths were from unvaccinated people. The only reason COVID is still a thing at all is the ~30% of people who can't or don't want to get the vaccine. I don't see those numbers changing, which means we've probably hit a bit of a equilibrium point where we're seeing the lowest COVID levels right now and will see seasonal spikes moving forward like the flu. It's time to move on, IMO. People have had ample opportunity to protect themselves.

 

[Irish#1]

Razor82, any thoughts?

I think life is altered as well. How significantly is hard to tell. In the last week, I've seen a lot more people wearing masks again. Not sure if this is in response to the Delta or more people venturing out more and just being cautious?

 

[TorontoGold]

In my area we've had very high levels of vaccinations for months now. Our 7 day running average has been between 1 and 5 cases per day in a county of about a quarter million people. That's since May, so we have 2+ months of effectively zero cases. Everything is back to normal, no one is wearing masks, no one is getting sick.

There are still some crazies who wear masks and are afraid to go out even after being vaccinated. Nothing is going to change the minds of these people. Is what it is, there are a lot of kooky people in this country.

Country wide in June, 99%+ of COVID deaths were from unvaccinated people. The only reason COVID is still a thing at all is the ~30% of people who can't or don't want to get the vaccine. I don't see those numbers changing, which means we've probably hit a bit of a equilibrium point where we're seeing the lowest COVID levels right now and will see seasonal spikes moving forward like the flu. It's time to move on, IMO. People have had ample opportunity to protect themselves.

Those are great numbers to have. Pretty envious of that.

The only qualm/issue I have with the unvaccinated is the possibility of ICU's and surgeries being canceled if there is a bad wave that hits them. Pretty much do what you want but don't clog up my hospital when COVID beats you down. Might different down there with the costs of going to the hospital? So while the We DOnT kNoW if VAx saFE crowd circulates covid among themselves the kicker for me is don't come to the hospital if you're sick.

(That's probably a really bad viewpoint to take, but man you've had ample time to shit or get off the pot)

 

[Black Irish]

Regardless of the circumstance, this is going to likely be the most significant event that collectively impacted everyone in our lifetime. I don't see how life isn't permanently altered. It's human nature.

I wonder about this. I think Americans are conditioned to want want what they want right now. I believe the vast majority of people want to get back to their old lives ASAP. As far as permanent behavior changes, I don't know. Maybe some people will just take to wearing masks forever. Or some people will never shake hands again. I would liken living through Covid to the Great Depression; everyone who lived through it and was effected. I'm sure your parents/grandparents/great-grandparents had certain behaviors they picked up from living through the Depression. I know cash hoarding was a big one and not trusting banks. When my grandmother died and we were cleaning out her house we found cash stashed all over; under the mattress, in her sock drawer. And not just a little bit. We're talking thousands of dollars.

 

[Irish#1]

Those are great numbers to have. Pretty envious of that.

The only qualm/issue I have with the unvaccinated is the possibility of ICU's and surgeries being canceled if there is a bad wave that hits them. Pretty much do what you want but don't clog up my hospital when COVID beats you down. Might different down there with the costs of going to the hospital? So while the We DOnT kNoW if VAx saFE crowd circulates covid among themselves the kicker for me is don't come to the hospital if you're sick.

(That's probably a really bad viewpoint to take, but man you've had ample time to shit or get off the pot)

Not what I expected from you for sure! lol

I think we've hit the point where those that want it have it and the others for whatever reason aren't going to get it. Maybe some if COVID hits near to home for them. I'm curious about all the people that received the first dose, but haven't received the second dose. Why haven't they followed up? Anyone see any stats on how many there are and where we would stand if they got the second dose?

 

[TorontoGold]

Not what I expected from you for sure! lol

I think we've hit the point where those that want it have it and the others for whatever reason aren't going to get it. Maybe some if COVID hits near to home for them. I'm curious about all the people that received the first dose, but haven't received the second dose. Why haven't they followed up? Anyone see any stats on how many there are and where we would stand if they got the second dose?

Lol it's up there with drunk driving in terms of my disdain for them.

That's soooooo reactionary though, which is the frustrating part. I have a good friend who's not anti-vax but won't get unless forced to by his work. We were forced to have up to date vaccination records for elementary school, and we require immigrants to get them, why can't we require a COVID vaccine?

Some cool data viz in this link - https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations

The conversion rate looks pretty good for those with a first dose. Only a 7% gap.

 

[notredomer23]

Anecdotally, I know a lot of people who have received Pfizer that have gotten the Delta the last two weeks. My buddy was at wedding where 22 people ended up testing positive including 12 fully vaccinated. The vaccinated group all has very mild symptoms similar to a cold, with only 1 even having a fever. The unvaccinated group sounds to be in rough shape overall.

Have not heard of breakthroughs with Moderna yet. This is all anecdotal of course, but just found it interesting.

 

[NDdomer2]

Anecdotally, I know a lot of people who have received Pfizer that have gotten the Delta the last two weeks. My buddy was at wedding where 22 people ended up testing positive including 12 fully vaccinated. The vaccinated group all has very mild symptoms similar to a cold, with only 1 even having a fever. The unvaccinated group sounds to be in rough shape overall.

Have not heard of breakthroughs with Moderna yet. This is all anecdotal of course, but just found it interesting.

but this was the point of getting vacinated right. I dont think they were spouting pure immunity it was all about how IF/WHEN you get covid your body will be prepared to fight it off.

 

[ab2cmiller]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/AnnalsofIM/status/1414695312938176512[/TWEET]

Yet somehow remdesivir became standard treatment. Wonder why? Very expensive drug hmmmm

 

[Irish#1]

but this was the point of getting vacinated right. I dont think they were spouting pure immunity it was all about how IF/WHEN you get covid your body will be prepared to fight it off.

That's my understanding as well.

 

[notredomer23]

but this was the point of getting vacinated right. I dont think they were spouting pure immunity it was all about how IF/WHEN you get covid your body will be prepared to fight it off.

Yup absolutely. It’s just changed with the Delta variant because prior to that, it was more an IF statement if you get infected whereas now it feels likes a when (even if that when is still unlikely).

 

[NDdomer2]

So my wife and mom got pretty beat down a couple weeks ago. Very respiratory. Mom was eventually diagnosed with severe bronchitis.

Both tested negative for COVID.

The weird thing is they both lost taste and smell.

I doubt there is any study on this and I am sure Im just going conspiracy theory here. But my thought was they got covid and being vaccinated made them test negative.

 

[IrishRazor82]

I am going to say this again slowly for you. Literally anyone can entire something into the database. All entries are investigated, especially deaths. The database is not updated with the findings. There have been zero reports of actual deaths from people getting the vaccine.

Heart inflamation occurs when you get any virus, including covid. It typically resolves itself without medical intervention.
There is no nerve damage, or higher rates of miscarriages.

Stop reading Qanon bullshit.

75% of all VAERS cases reported directly due to the Vaccine has been verified as either doctors or pharmacists. You keep swinging and hoping, but the data disagrees with you.

You can verify this in VAERS - 75%...