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Has anyone else wondered why the virus was started around the holidays of 2019. I'm watching a fictitious movie, Contagion. They say it's the perfect time to release a biological weapon.
I watch movies and learn important stuff...
 
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Based off the data from Israel and the UK, I think its very likely that the US is undercounting vaccinated Covid hospitalizations. ~40-50% of Covid hospitalizations in each of the UK and Israel are from previously vaccinated individuals. Doesn't mean the vaccines aren't effective, as the vast majority of vaccinated hospitalizations are elderly individuals who have a 90%+ vaccination rate.
 
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NDPhilly said:
Based off the data from Israel and the UK, I think its very likely that the US is undercounting vaccinated Covid hospitalizations. ~40-50% of Covid hospitalizations in each of the UK and Israel are from previously vaccinated individuals. Doesn't mean the vaccines aren't effective, as the vast majority of vaccinated hospitalizations are elderly individuals who have a 90%+ vaccination rate.
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I have suspicions of this as well. I think they are trying desperately to drive increased vaccination rates through data/reporting. I think we'll see the data slowly transform over the next 3-6 months to give us a better idea of what kind of immunity vaccination gives us against these variants.
 
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Trait Expectations said:
I have suspicions of this as well. I think they are trying desperately to drive increased vaccination rates through data/reporting. I think we'll see the data slowly transform over the next 3-6 months to give us a better idea of what kind of immunity vaccination gives us against these variants.
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Definitely undercounting, but I think it also makes sense in the UK and Israel that the many of the hospitalized are vaccinated given the higher risk population is at an extremely high rate of vaccination and the total hospitalizations are very low. the UK is around 4K. Israel is at 60. In the US, last I checked there was about 27K hospitalizations. UK population is about a 5th of the US so US hospitalizations disproportionately higher largely due to the lower vaccination rate for sure.

On a positive note, it does appear the current UK wave is beginning to recede. Typical epi-curve of 8-10 weeks. If US cases follow same trajectory, we will probably peak around 80-90K daily cases late August.
 
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notredomer23 said:
Definitely undercounting, but I think it also makes sense in the UK and Israel that the many of the hospitalized are vaccinated given the higher risk population is at an extremely high rate of vaccination and the total hospitalizations are very low. the UK is around 4K. Israel is at 60. In the US, last I checked there was about 27K hospitalizations. UK population is about a 5th of the US so US hospitalizations disproportionately higher largely due to the lower vaccination rate for sure.

On a positive note, it does appear the current UK wave is beginning to recede. Typical epi-curve of 8-10 weeks. If US cases follow same trajectory, we will probably peak around 80-90K daily cases late August.
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Think even in the 3rd wave (ffs how many waves are there going to be) that hospitalizations/deaths were less than the 2nd wave. Early results seem like that's going to be the case with the 4th wave that's happening. It would appear that the eXpErImeNtAl vaccine is doing a pretty good job and bringing it down to swine flu level (hopefully).
 
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How does the 20k increase in drug overdoses last year pair up demographically with Covid deaths? That doesn't even scratch increases in usage/addiction - haven't seen anything tracking that.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#AgeAndSex

Age 0-17 - 337 deaths involving Covid versus 50,488 total deaths. Think of all the fear of this thing people are placing on their kids when they are 150x more likely to die from something else - statistically nil. Get your vac if you want and leave the kids alone. This is an adult problem, stop projecting it on to children.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities

Age 0-24 - 1238 Covid on death cert - 263 obese, 119 diabetes, 145 cardiac arrest, 123 sepsis
12,314 "co-morbidities" labeled "Intentional and unintentional injury, poisoning, and other adverse events - 110 ages 0-24

Really appreciate using different age bands in these tables - smh.
 
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Think even in the 3rd wave (ffs how many waves are there going to be) that hospitalizations/deaths were less than the 2nd wave. Early results seem like that's going to be the case with the 4th wave that's happening. It would appear that the eXpErImeNtAl vaccine is doing a pretty good job and bringing it down to swine flu level (hopefully).
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Absolutely. In the winter wave cases were just as high, but hospitalizations reached 38K at one point in the UK. So they're currently at tenth of that. It is tough to compare apples to apples the cases though because they are currently doing something like a million tests/day.
 
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Nice pivot from hospitalizations to cases. Just like two weeks to flatten the curve so hospitals can handle the load is a distant memory. WTF.
 
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If they think of instituting new lockdowns or even restrictions that would hurt everyone significantly more than the delta varient. Even before the vaccine this disease didnt really affect people that much. Government overreach is outrageous
 
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If they think of instituting new lockdowns or even restrictions that would hurt everyone significantly more than the delta varient. Even before the vaccine this disease didnt really affect people that much. Government overreach is outrageous
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Not comments on the data I posted. Scream at and ostracize the youth and shitcan their education for something that is a statistical nothingburger to them. Everyone has had their chance to get the vaccine who needs it - time to pull up your panties and get back to life. Yet we have Toronto and others acting like life is normal now.
 
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Not comments on the data I posted. Scream at and ostracize the youth and shitcan their education for something that is a statistical nothingburger to them. Everyone has had their chance to get the vaccine who needs it - time to pull up your panties and get back to life. Yet we have Toronto and others acting like life is normal now.
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What are you unable to do right now that you would like to do? From everything I've read that situation down there is pretty enviable in terms of freedom to do whatever.
 
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RDU Irish said:
Not comments on the data I posted. Scream at and ostracize the youth and shitcan their education for something that is a statistical nothingburger to them. Everyone has had their chance to get the vaccine who needs it - time to pull up your panties and get back to life. Yet we have Toronto and others acting like life is normal now.
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What do you want us to comment that's irrelevant to the current COVID situation for most? I've long questioned lockdowns or at least the way we did it here and the rest of the West.

I'm sorry life's not normal for you. I have been to bars, night clubs, concerts, sporting events, the movies, a family reunion, a vacation with the family. Have not brought a mask with me anywhere since May. The most abnormal thing I've probably had to do is take a few at home tests after some close contacts tested positive. Other than that, life's been 2019. Don't have kids so just not an issue I really care about.
 
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Once the FDA fully approves vaccines as a drug, companies will be allowed to mandate that their employees get it. Hopefully, it increases vax rate once it’s no longer under “emergency use” designation. Mercy Health Systems has already mandated that all employees be vaccinated. Not surprisingly, this has led to protests but once full FDA approval is given, I suspect most companies will mandate it for employees if there’s still high infection rates.

“Pfizer, maker of the first vaccine authorized for emergency use in the United States, said Friday it expects the FDA to grant full approval by January 2022 at the latest. Acting FDA Commissioner Janet Woodcock has said a decision should come well before then.”
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Irishize said:
Once the FDA fully approves vaccines as a drug, companies will be allowed to mandate that their employees get it. Hopefully, it increases vax rate once it’s no longer under “emergency use” designation. Mercy Health Systems has already mandated that all employees be vaccinated. Not surprisingly, this has led to protests but once full FDA approval is given, I suspect most companies will mandate it for employees if there’s still high infection rates.
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It's mandated by the UC (University of California) system as well.

Everyone should listen to this:

https://samharris.org/podcasts/256-contagion-bad-ideas/

This is for Razor especially. I've given over 4 hrs to listening to content you've suggested with Rogan/Weinstein and reading your data. Give that a listen and give me your thoughts if you're really willing to consider all the information.
 
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Stopped at Mc Donald's this morning to grab a coffee. Their coffee cups now have a get vaccinated theme.

Pfizer study is showing that a third dose could prevent the Delta variant.
 
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Israel decided to be the largest study in the world. The results show natural immunity is far superior, with 1% experiencing re-infection compared to 40% of vacc'd.

And they just removed the reporting they established that showed hospitalization and deaths broken out by vaccinated vs un vacc'd. I'm sure it's a coincidence.

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/309762
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So, if we say 41% of people infected have some sort of prior immunity before getting COVID.....that leaves 59% of cases to...(drum roll, please)....unvaccinated people!

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Irish#1 said:
Stopped at Mc Donald's this morning to grab a coffee. Their coffee cups now have a get vaccinated theme.

Pfizer study is showing that a third dose could prevent the Delta variant.
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There is an interesting dynamic going on where Moderna internally does not think a booster is necessary for continued immunity, whereas Pfizer is pushing for it.
 
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There is an interesting dynamic going on where Moderna internally does not think a booster is necessary for continued immunity, whereas Pfizer is pushing for it.
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I think I said it a few pages back but anecdotally I still don't know anyone who has gotten Moderna with a breakthrough infection. Whereas I know more than just a few who received Pfizer that have gotten sick. Probably purely coincidence... or maybe not.
 
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IrishRazor82 said:
Israel decided to be the largest study in the world. The results show natural immunity is far superior, with 1% experiencing re-infection compared to 40% of vacc'd.

And they just removed the reporting they established that showed hospitalization and deaths broken out by vaccinated vs un vacc'd. I'm sure it's a coincidence.

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/309762
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In a perfect world, you (or the Israeli study) may be on to something but what about the hundreds of thousands of unhealthy (some by their choice, some due to uncontrollable immuno-compromised status) who couldn’t utilize natural immunity b/c they freakin’ died from COVID? Look I’ve been banging the drum on how COVID was the perfect opportunity nationally to push a “get healthy” narrative b/c while we may be one of the wealthiest nations in the world we are also one of the unhealthiest of the first world countries. And…newsflash…it’s not b/c we don’t have free healthcare. It’s b/c Americans become gluttons to the point of morbid obesity & type 2 diabetes. There’s no pill to prevent them from stuffing their faces. Free will is a gift from God but we all tend to misuse it from time to time…some more than others.
 
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