COVID-19

[Legacy]

Hospital-Acquired SARS-CoV-2 Infection
Lessons for Public Health (JAMA Network, Nov 13, 2020)

Lost on the frontline
Hundreds of US healthcare workers have died fighting Covid-19. We count them and investigate why.

-Most recent count is 2921 HC workers who have died.

 

[yankeehater]

We should require every non-healthcare worker to spend one evening shift in their local ED and one shift in the ICU. I bet everyone would be line for the COVID vaccine afterwards.

Doesn't seem to be the case. Over half of the NYFD declined the vaccine and the same thing is happening in Ohio too. Here is the reporting of the LA Times story about what is happening in California even in some of the places hardest hit by the virus.


https://www.breitbart.com/health/20...-california-refuse-coronavirus-vaccine-covid/

 

[Legacy]

The Washington Post has a good article on each states vaccination numbers, amount of doses they have been allocated, percentage of their prioritized population that has been vaccinated so far.

Site updated daily.
At least 3.1 million people have been vaccinated in the U.S.
12.4 million doses have been distributed. (Data as of Dec. 31 at 4:28 p.m)

For Alabama, for instance:

In Alabama....
At least 26,409 doses have been administered,
covering 1.0% of the prioritized population...
and 0.5% of the state’s population.

Alabama has been allocated 279,875 doses,
enough to vaccinate 11.0% of the prioritized population...
and 5.7% of the state’s population.Read the methodology

Alabama’s health department has prioritized high-risk front-line health-care workers, including those working in hospitals, nursing homes, or providing mental health services for the first round of vaccination.

The state has also included first responders — firefighters and law enforcement — in its first phase, alongside people who are over 65 years of age, or living in crowded environments such as nursing homes,

For Indiana,

In Indiana....
At least 75,842 doses have been administered,
covering 4.2% of the prioritized population...
and 0.9% of the state’s population.

Indiana has been allocated 376,750 doses,
enough to vaccinate 25.0% of the prioritized population...
and 5.6% of the state’s population.

For Michigan,

In Michigan....
At least 86,626 doses have been administered,
covering 1.3% of the prioritized population...
and 0.5% of the state’s population.

Michigan has been allocated 576,150 doses,
enough to vaccinate 13.0% of the prioritized population...
and 5.8% of the state’s population.

 

[Legacy]

KFF COVID-19 Vaccine Monitor: December 2020

Excerpt from "Key Findings"

About a quarter (27%) of the public remains vaccine hesitant, saying they probably or definitely would not get a COVID-19 vaccine even if it were available for free and deemed safe by scientists. Vaccine hesitancy is highest among Republicans (42%), those ages 30-49 (36%), and rural residents (35%). Importantly, 35% of Black adults (a group that has borne a disproportionate burden of the pandemic) say they definitely or probably would not get vaccinated, as do one third of those who say they have been deemed essential workers (33%) and three in ten (29%) of those who work in a health care delivery setting .

The national figures I've seen for "first responders" is 29%, slightly higher than the public overall (27%). I'd be interested to see which "first responders" make up that group - non-professional HC workers, police, firefighters, nursing home workers vs ambulance, nurses, physicians.

A bit surprising that Republicans would be highest in those categories that would not get the vaccine. Aren't they owning Operation Warp Speed?

 

[notredomer23]

The Washington Post has a good article on each states vaccination numbers, amount of doses they have been allocated, percentage of their prioritized population that has been vaccinated so far.

Site updated daily.
At least 3.1 million people have been vaccinated in the U.S.
12.4 million doses have been distributed. (Data as of Dec. 31 at 4:28 p.m)

For Alabama, for instance:


For Indiana,

For Michigan,

Good info, Bloomberg has a really good one too I’ve been checking daily: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/

 

[FDNYIrish1]

So far with the Moderna vaccine all of my guys reported a very sore injection arm and all developed a fever and felt shitty the next day to varying degrees. All were fine within 2 days. They go back for the booster in a couple of weeks. You also have to sit around for a half hour after the shot as a precaution.

 

[Old Man Mike]

If all that I got was a sore arm and feeling sh!tty for two days to get barriered vs COVID, I'll run to take that choice. (Well, I'm too old to run anymore, but I'd try.)

If everyone here at the retirement community got that result, and the business said "throw away the damm masks when you're inside the building, and we're opening the dining room and the get-together rooms" --- Eden

 

[NDRock]

So far with the Moderna vaccine all of my guys reported a very sore injection arm and all developed a fever and felt shitty the next day to varying degrees. All were fine within 2 days. They go back for the booster in a couple of weeks. You also have to sit around for a half hour after the shot as a precaution.

My experience as well. Most sore I've ever felt from a shot. All in all, I felt much better than my wife and daughter did (who came down with it).

 

[notredomer23]

Sounds like US may be heading towards half doses of Moderna for the 18-55 demo. If it speeds up roll out, great. I do think we will see J&J approved for use this month which is single dose and can be stored in normal refrigeration, so those two things taking place may speed up this recovery.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Personal anectdote:
My neighbor, who I dont know very well, knocked on my front door. HE asked me if I had seen any unsual cars parked along our street recently. I hadnt but I asked why.

He said his wife works on the COVID floor for our local hospital and that she contracted COVID from a co-worker who knew she was positive but didnt tell anyone and came to work and infected 90% of the floors staff. This was documented by the hospital and all the infected were placed on quarantine and these became work man comp cases.

As a result he said his wife developed fairly serious symptoms and ultimately lost half the functional capacity of one kidney. Since this diagnosis, the hopsital has become very upset with her and workman's comp has gone silent and she has not been able to get anymore tretments authorized.

He said within a few days private investigators started showing up and monitoring his house. He knows they are private investigators becasue he has approached them and seen surveillance equipment in their cars.
Another neighbor approached us while we were talking and said the same thing. He approached these cars not known to the neighborhood and asked to see ID and discover their purpose but they refuse and pull away. Same guy comes back with different cars on multiple occasions.

Other neighbors have reported these cars outside his house in the NextDoor app posts.

Anyway there isnt any resolution to this story but thought I would share.

 

[IrishRazor82]

I'm not an anti-vaccer, our kids get all of their immunizations and we get the FLU shot each year. However, I'm not touching this COVID vaccine and my wife feels the same way.

It apparently doesn't stop transmission and I don't understand how much it helps if the survival rate is already ~99.7% with inflated reporting. I'm also seeing a lot of "bad experiences" get shared and then disappear from the internet. There's also substantial pushback from medical staff if ~40% are saying no thanks. And no one knows what the long term effects of it will be.

I've never been a conspiracy theorist but I'm not touching this one with a ten foot pole. We're health and have had it (it was less than a cold), I see no reason to take a chance with a rushed vaccine with exactly 3 weeks worth of empirical data.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

I see no reason to take a chance with a rushed vaccine with exactly 3 weeks worth of empirical data.

3 weeks worth of empirical data simply isn't accurate.

--Moderna released the data from it's first trials in May.

--By the time the Pfizer vaccine came out over 40,000 people had received it in the phase 3 trial.

--The researchers that developed the vaccine had developed the sequencing they'd need on it back in January not long after China released the virus' genetic sequence, which was possible because they piggy backed off research done from the first SARS outbreak in 2002.

I'm going to be more worried about the vaccine than COVID when they start loading vaccine victims into refrigerated trucks because there's no more room at the morgue.

 

[IrishRazor82]

3 weeks worth of empirical data simply isn't accurate.

--Moderna released the data from it's first trials in May.

--By the time the Pfizer vaccine came out over 40,000 people had received it in the phase 3 trial.

--The researchers that developed the vaccine had developed the sequencing they'd need on it back in January not long after China released the virus' genetic sequence, which was possible because they piggy backed off research done from the first SARS outbreak in 2002.

I'm going to be more worried about the vaccine than COVID when they start loading vaccine victims into refrigerated trucks because there's no more room at the morgue.

These study immediate presence of side effects only. No one in the world is smart enough to predict long term impacts of a new vaccine. Anything that modifies your DNA is scary to me and I'm just glad my wife and I are done having kids if we're forced to take it to live a normal life. Although I really hope our government doesn't go there, but rhe writing seems to be on the wall.

 

[IrishLax]

I'm not an anti-vaccer, our kids get all of their immunizations and we get the FLU shot each year. However, I'm not touching this COVID vaccine and my wife feels the same way.

It apparently doesn't stop transmission and I don't understand how much it helps if the survival rate is already ~99.7% with inflated reporting. I'm also seeing a lot of "bad experiences" get shared and then disappear from the internet. There's also substantial pushback from medical staff if ~40% are saying no thanks. And no one knows what the long term effects of it will be.

I've never been a conspiracy theorist but I'm not touching this one with a ten foot pole. We're health and have had it (it was less than a cold), I see no reason to take a chance with a rushed vaccine with exactly 3 weeks worth of empirical data.

You say you’re not an “anti-vaxxer” or “conspiracy theorist” but.....

 

[notredomer23]

These study immediate presence of side effects only. No one in the world is smart enough to predict long term impacts of a new vaccine. Anything that modifies your DNA is scary to me and I'm just glad my wife and I are done having kids if we're forced to take it to live a normal life. Although I really hope our government doesn't go there, but rhe writing seems to be on the wall.

None of these modify your DNA lol.

 

[Blazers46]

3 weeks worth of empirical data simply isn't accurate.

--Moderna released the data from it's first trials in May.

--By the time the Pfizer vaccine came out over 40,000 people had received it in the phase 3 trial.

--The researchers that developed the vaccine had developed the sequencing they'd need on it back in January not long after China released the virus' genetic sequence, which was possible because they piggy backed off research done from the first SARS outbreak in 2002.

I'm going to be more worried about the vaccine than COVID when they start loading vaccine victims into refrigerated trucks because there's no more room at the morgue.

Worried in what sense? I am mid 30s, very healthy, and I would guess I have had it already with no effect. I would be more reluctant to take it than my 65 year old father... but then again he had it and is probably healthier than me.

 

[NDBoiler]

Personal anectdote:
My neighbor, who I dont know very well, knocked on my front door. HE asked me if I had seen any unsual cars parked along our street recently. I hadnt but I asked why.

He said his wife works on the COVID floor for our local hospital and that she contracted COVID from a co-worker who knew she was positive but didnt tell anyone and came to work and infected 90% of the floors staff. This was documented by the hospital and all the infected were placed on quarantine and these became work man comp cases.

As a result he said his wife developed fairly serious symptoms and ultimately lost half the functional capacity of one kidney. Since this diagnosis, the hopsital has become very upset with her and workman's comp has gone silent and she has not been able to get anymore tretments authorized.

He said within a few days private investigators started showing up and monitoring his house. He knows they are private investigators becasue he has approached them and seen surveillance equipment in their cars.
Another neighbor approached us while we were talking and said the same thing. He approached these cars not known to the neighborhood and asked to see ID and discover their purpose but they refuse and pull away. Same guy comes back with different cars on multiple occasions.

Other neighbors have reported these cars outside his house in the NextDoor app posts.

Anyway there isnt any resolution to this story but thought I would share.

Sounds worker’s compensation related. I’ve heard of that being done to verify there is actually a legitimate claim. Not saying that your neighbors isn’t valid, but that’s probably what this is stemming from.

Also, if they come out of their cars in black suits, don’t look directly at the blinking light device.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Sounds worker’s compensation related. I’ve heard of that being done to verify there is actually a legitimate claim. Not saying that your neighbors isn’t valid, but that’s probably what this is stemming from.

Also, if they come out of their cars in black suits, don’t look directly at the blinking light device.

Yeah that is my thought too. Workmans comp hired a PI which evidently is cheaper than providing continued treatment.

 

[Free Manera]

Yeah that is my thought too. Workmans comp hired a PI which evidently is cheaper than providing continued treatment.

Yes. It is very common for comp carriers to have surveillance done of claimants. Basically they will sit outside the house and look for you to lift something that appears heavy, follow you to the store to see how easily you move around, etc.

Then the defense attorney will try to use the video as a gotcha when you say you can't lift more than 10 lbs or whatever at your deposition.

Or, yeah its the men in black and you're screwed.

 

[IrishRazor82]

You guys go nuts, lol. I am not pretending to know the science behind it, but the hiding of stories where it's not going so well worries me.

COVID is far down the list of things I would personally worry about if I had time to worry for both me personally, or society as a whole. I hope it is great and everyone who wants it gets it.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

You guys go nuts, lol. I am not pretending to know the science behind it, but the hiding of stories where it's not going so well worries me.

COVID is far down the list of things I would personally worry about if I had time to worry for both me personally, or society as a whole. I hope it is great and everyone who wants it gets it.

Step 1: Stop getting your news from Facebook, Twitter, Fox News, CNN, or MSNBC.

 

[IrishRazor82]

Step 1: Stop getting your news from Facebook, Twitter, Fox News, CNN, or MSNBC.

Get the vaccine. I'm not trying to talk you out of it. I'm just not worried about COVID the vaccine. COVID the response was and is much scarier to me.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Get the vaccine. I'm not trying to talk you out of it. I'm just not worried about COVID the vaccine. COVID the response was and is much scarier to me.

I got the vaccine three weeks ago.

 

[notredomer23]

Get the vaccine. I'm not trying to talk you out of it. I'm just not worried about COVID the vaccine. COVID the response was and is much scarier to me.

I don't understand why people don't get you're not getting vaccinated for just yourself. There are millions in our country that physically can't get a vaccine, and were they to get COVID, it would be devastating to them. I am not the least bit worried about COVID were I to get it in the time between now and vaccination, but not everyone has that luxury. Getting vaccinated does suppress (not entirely eliminate) the ability to spread the virus. It also shortens the length you'd be able to spread, were you to get reinfected post-vaccination, which is a possibility with any vaccine, not just the COVID vaccine.

 

[NDRock]

I don't understand why people don't get you're not getting vaccinated for just yourself. There are millions in our country that physically can't get a vaccine, and were they to get COVID, it would be devastating to them. I am not the least bit worried about COVID were I to get it in the time between now and vaccination, but not everyone has that luxury. Getting vaccinated does suppress (not entirely eliminate) the ability to spread the virus. It also shortens the length you'd be able to spread, were you to get reinfected post-vaccination, which is a possibility with any vaccine, not just the COVID vaccine.

Yeah, that’s the main reason I got it, to help others. Not exactly storming the beach at Normandy, figured it’s the least I could do.

 

[BilboBaggins]

COVID is far down the list of things I would personally worry about if I had time to worry for both me personally, or society as a whole. I hope it is great and everyone who wants it gets it.

I'm 31 and have pretty much been hanging out on the couch because of a post-covid high HR. Thank God my main job is seasonal and I'm off until April.

They're increasingly finding evidence of heart issues in young people who have had covid, appearing 4-6 weeks after initial infection. That fits me perfectly, this showed up 2 weeks after I "beat" covid.

Take the damn vaccine.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

COVID is far down the list of things I would personally worry about if I had time to worry for both me personally, or society as a whole. I hope it is great and everyone who wants it gets it.

If you're more afraid of the vaccine than the disease that's a massive failure of risk analysis.

 

[Legacy]

A skepticism about anything rushed through development and approval process can be healthy. mRNA vaccines are the future of immunizaations against infectious diseases, cancers, gene therapy for conditions that lack certain proteins. But the more transmittable variant is soon going to take dominate Covid infections. Thank goodness that the vaccine works against that one, too.

To add to the Big Pharma investments in these companies developing mRNA vaccines, Glaxo Smith Kline is investing in the German company CureVac. Their pipeline and funding sources:
https://www.curevac.com/en/pipeline/

There are advocates who have worked in the FDA who wanted to get rid of the expensive Phase III trials for drugs and vaccines, which the Trump Admin thought was a good idea. I'd worry more if that came to fruition.

For now, any way one can slow transmission during a pandemic from a novel virus while meeting Approval Process evaluation is worth the small risk, especially for that place them at high risk.

 

[Irish2155]

Yes. It is very common for comp carriers to have surveillance done of claimants. Basically they will sit outside the house and look for you to lift something that appears heavy, follow you to the store to see how easily you move around, etc.

Then the defense attorney will try to use the video as a gotcha when you say you can't lift more than 10 lbs or whatever at your deposition.

Or, yeah its the men in black and you're screwed.

My company does this with WC cases some times. Caught one guy deer hunting and another playing softball that messed up their claims.

 

[Free Manera]

My company does this with WC cases some times. Caught one guy deer hunting and another playing softball that messed up their claims.

Must have been a ballsy PI that followed a guy deer hunting....