COVID-19

[SonofOahu]

Oahu,
You hearing anything about a worse reaction to the vaccine from people who tested positive for Covid previously? Not a huge sample size from the guys I work with but they noticed a correlation to who seemed to react the worst.

I haven't seen any studies, yet, but I wouldn't doubt it.

 

[phork]

Interesting small study that recently came out. Basically it's saying that the reason older people are being affected more is because of the MMR vaccine. (Measles Mumps Rubella). Either they didn't get it or obviously their boosters were long out of date.

Science is amazing.

And IrishRazor82... From the CDC death registration information:

Cause of death
This section must be completed by the medical examiner or coroner. The cause-of-death section, a facsimile of which is shown on page 12, follows guidelines recommended by the World Health Organization. An important feature is the reported underlying cause of death determined by the medi cal examiner or coroner and defined as (a) the disease or injury that initiated the train of morbid events leading directly to death, or (b) the circumstances of the accident or violence that produced the fatal injury. In addition to the underlying cause of death, this section provides for report ing the entire sequence of events leading to death as well as other condi tions significantly contributing to death (6).

 

[yankeehater]

Can someone in the medical industry please explain this for me? I heard on the radio about this today that there are no flu cases this year. He is an article from yesterday. CDC reporting only 1000 flu cases versus 38 million last year. If you look at the CDC map for flu, everything is green. The map for Covid is red everywhere. This is how conspiracies start. I posted the story about my neighbors who returned from Hawaii and become very ill and were told it was Covid even though no tests were ever positive. They never were given a test for the flu.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article248307290.html

 

[PerthDomer]

The flu spreads in similar ways to covid but is less contagious. Additionally travel is way down so not much came back from the south hemisphere. I work in peds ICU and have seen 0 flu or RSV this year. If we had normal virus/pneumonia volume on top of covid it'd be awful.

 

[nlroma1o]

Many local testing sites where I live are testing for both Covid and Flu and many are positive for both Covid and the Flu. But statistically when the data is reported to the insurer they are marking them down as only Covid so they get their reimbursement money.

 

[PerthDomer]

All pcr's are reported to public health departments. That's where CDC numbers come from. I have seen 0 flu or rsv cases at a tertiary childrens hospital in the PNW. Normally that'd be half my patients at this point in the year.

 

[Old Man Mike]

A few mitigating factors for an average Joe like myself:

1.Scared of COVID, I didn't want anything else;
2. Got flu shot as soon as available;
3. been in lockdown with very little interactions to pass this on;
4. if I DID get it, I'd be reluctant to go "in" unless it was really bad.

That the above would really cut down on cases period and reported cases when they happened anyway, does not boggle my mind.

 

[rtrn2glory]

State of Ohio taking away paid leave for individuals who test positive or have to quarantine. That's going to make it more likely that individuals come to work whether they're sick or not.

 

[dublinirish]

Can someone in the medical industry please explain this for me? I heard on the radio about this today that there are no flu cases this year. He is an article from yesterday. CDC reporting only 1000 flu cases versus 38 million last year. If you look at the CDC map for flu, everything is green. The map for Covid is red everywhere. This is how conspiracies start. I posted the story about my neighbors who returned from Hawaii and become very ill and were told it was Covid even though no tests were ever positive. They never were given a test for the flu.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article248307290.html

harder for flu to spread when folks are wearing masks.

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

Can someone in the medical industry please explain this for me? I heard on the radio about this today that there are no flu cases this year. He is an article from yesterday. CDC reporting only 1000 flu cases versus 38 million last year. If you look at the CDC map for flu, everything is green. The map for Covid is red everywhere. This is how conspiracies start. I posted the story about my neighbors who returned from Hawaii and become very ill and were told it was Covid even though no tests were ever positive. They never were given a test for the flu.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article248307290.html

Influenza is less transmissible and less ubiquitous than COVID. We wear masks to decrease the spread of COVID which secondarily decreases the spread of every other respiratory virus including flu. So naturally flu's "curve" would be significantly flattened by social distancing and masks. If you were paying attention, every epidemiologist was predicting a much lighter influenza season this year due to these factors, especially after observing the light season in the Southern Hemisphere.

 

[IrishRazor82]

Flu may spread "harder" but don't let the strength of that word lull you to sleep. It's a virus and it's obviously contagious.

Sometimes when things smell fishy, they are, or at least a large part of them are. My wish for the world in 2021 is people think more for themselves than ever before.

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

Flu may spread "harder" but don't let the strength of that word lull you to sleep. It's a virus and it's obviously contagious.

Sometimes when things smell fishy, they are, or at least a large part of them are. My wish for the world in 2021 is people think more for themselves than ever before.

Comments like this is why I left this thread. Its difficult to explain if people refuse to listen. Don't believe the medical folks, trust twitter I guess - that's the new wave.

I test people for flu as part of my job. Also I know exactly what influenza looks like clinically and I can tell you definitively we are not seeing flu right now in my area. Its just not out there right now. This isn't a conspiracy. We didn't magically eliminate flu its just not spreading as it typically does this time of year for reasons mentioned above. We didn't change the testing. Flu doesn't suddenly present differently. And I can tell you I've seen enough of both COVID and flu to have a good idea how to discern them clinically. Believe what you want.

 

[Old Man Mike]

IKWT: don't let Lead Wall minds dissuade you from adding knowledge to this thread. I say, with some confidence, that most of us genuinely appreciate it.

Relatedly: here at my retirement community, the separate Memory Care unit has gotten their shots. That was appropriate as that unit was the only one where there was a breach of our Bubble. I've turned in my consent form five days or so ago, but the dates for the independent living residents are not yet set.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Flu may spread "harder" but don't let the strength of that word lull you to sleep. It's a virus and it's obviously contagious.

Sometimes when things smell fishy, they are, or at least a large part of them are. My wish for the world in 2021 is people think more for themselves than ever before.

I don't think you've provided a single beneficial post to this board since arriving.

 

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">To give you a sense of how 2021 is going<br><br>More Americans died from covid in the last 3 days than on 9/11, the Iraq war and the Afghanistan war combined, and that's not even a top 10 news story right now.</p>— Dan Price (@DanPriceSeattle) <a href="https://twitter.com/DanPriceSeattle/status/1347417082074439681?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[yankeehater]

Influenza is less transmissible and less ubiquitous than COVID. We wear masks to decrease the spread of COVID which secondarily decreases the spread of every other respiratory virus including flu. So naturally flu's "curve" would be significantly flattened by social distancing and masks. If you were paying attention, every epidemiologist was predicting a much lighter influenza season this year due to these factors, especially after observing the light season in the Southern Hemisphere.

I love the subtlety in your knock.

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

I love the subtlety in your knock.

Sorry, it did come across kind of snarky on second read. I meant it as more of a communal "you".

 

[yankeehater]

Sorry, it did come across kind of snarky on second read.

No worries.

BTW....I have been paying close attention for many reason since the onset. Both out of health concerns for myself and my family and also as a 30+ year investor. The more I learn the more questions I have.

For example, placing a covid patient in a prone position with heavy nasal air flow upon arrival in ER has been known to make a difference since reports back in April I believe out of maybe Argentina yet I still don't see this widely employed.

I also know some of the drugs being employed only work early on like a remdesivir when the fight tends to be in the viral stage and not yet in the immunological stage where the battle becomes the cytokine storm and I have even read possibly the Bradykine storm. Unfortunately, a drug like remdesivir being administered intravenously would only be possible after hospital admittance which tends to be in or around day 7 or 8 of the illness which is usually past that threshold.

Dr. Bruce Patterson has been the most accurate with everything that I have read. He has developed a blood test which last I read has been nearly 100% accurate as to who advances to a moderate stage yet I do not see any word of this being widely used. I would think that would be critical knowledge into the care of a patient.

I hope I didn't bore you.

 

[notredomer23]

Dr. Bruce Patterson has been the most accurate with everything that I have read. He has developed a blood test which last I read has been nearly 100% accurate as to who advances to a moderate stage yet I do not see any word of this being widely used. I would think that would be critical knowledge into the care of a patient.

I hope I didn't bore you.

You got any more info about this? Would love to read more. I know there have been some preliminary studies that some blood types have more severe reactions, but haven't seen much outside of that.

 

[yankeehater]

You got any more info about this? Would love to read more. I know there have been some preliminary studies that some blood types have more severe reactions, but haven't seen much outside of that.

Here is Dr. Patterson's Bio. He used to be Director of Virology at Stanford. His company is IncellDx and you can find info there on the test.


https://past.pmwcintl.com/bruce-patterson-2018sv/

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

For example, placing a covid patient in a prone position with heavy nasal air flow upon arrival in ER has been known to make a difference since reports back in April I believe out of maybe Argentina yet I still don't see this widely employed.

I have two friends that have been ICU nurses, one since before the pandemic and have been doing strictly COVID patients since March, one in Queens one in New Orleans. They've been doing the prone positioning since the first couple of weeks. Back in March/April they were losing multiple patients per shift, not all of which were old and infirm.

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

State of Ohio taking away paid leave for individuals who test positive or have to quarantine. That's going to make it more likely that individuals come to work whether they're sick or not.

no kidding? I haven't heard this yet. Can Dewine be anymore confusing? wtf

 

[PerthDomer]

Prone positioning is something we've been using for ARDS (BA lung disease) for years. Putting someone prone provides transient O2 improvement. If your patient is prone and crashes without a breathing tube you have to flip them around to their back to put one in at which point their O2 gets lower. The maxim is you want to avoid intubating people if you can get away with it but if you wait too long you may be killing them (the 41 yo GOP rep died in intubation, hard to say if this is why). Suffice to say management decisions are complicated and there's no silver bullet besides vaccines.

They've also found viral load strongly correlates to clinical deterioration and are using levels here to help decide who to admit/send straight to the icu in addition to other clinical scores. Doctors dont ignore obvious solutions generally. This disease is just really really hard.

 

[Old Man Mike]

FWIW: I have just been informed that our entire retirement community (all oldsters) will be vaccinated in-house during the day of January 15th. Sore arms or not, we are looking forward to this --- this is about 120-140 people. Admin and workers will also get the vaccine adding to that number.

 

[domer13]

FWIW: I have just been informed that our entire retirement community (all oldsters) will be vaccinated in-house during the day of January 15th. Sore arms or not, we are looking forward to this --- this is about 120-140 people. Admin and workers will also get the vaccine adding to that number.

Great news! Prayers that all goes smoothly. God bless you all.

 

[NorthDakota]

FWIW: I have just been informed that our entire retirement community (all oldsters) will be vaccinated in-house during the day of January 15th. Sore arms or not, we are looking forward to this --- this is about 120-140 people. Admin and workers will also get the vaccine adding to that number.

Lit af! Great news old guy.

 

[brick4956]

Well I'll find out in a few days if I have Covid failed my employers health screening today with a few symptoms so had to get tested, and put on LOA

 

[Legacy]

FWIW: I have just been informed that our entire retirement community (all oldsters) will be vaccinated in-house during the day of January 15th. Sore arms or not, we are looking forward to this --- this is about 120-140 people. Admin and workers will also get the vaccine adding to that number.

Awesome news, Mike!

 

[SonofOahu]

Can someone in the medical industry please explain this for me? I heard on the radio about this today that there are no flu cases this year. He is an article from yesterday. CDC reporting only 1000 flu cases versus 38 million last year. If you look at the CDC map for flu, everything is green. The map for Covid is red everywhere. This is how conspiracies start. I posted the story about my neighbors who returned from Hawaii and become very ill and were told it was Covid even though no tests were ever positive. They never were given a test for the flu.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article248307290.html

Flu is way down. Most likely because everyone is wearing masks and distancing. We had Flu cases back in September/October, but those numbers dropped. Don't fall for conspiracies, there are simple mechanics behind lowering the spread.

 

[SonofOahu]

I don't think you've provided a single beneficial post to this board since arriving.

That's Circa, right?