COVID-19

[IrishRazor82]

My wife and I are fully vaccinated, as are our kids.

But my wife's been looking into this more and more, and seen a lot of stuff that is giving her pause, and even feeling negligent for not looking into the research behind vaccines before. She's actually down on herself and I tell her it's probably fine and not to feel bad at all.

This video is 18 mins but every minute of it is extremely compelling:

https://vimeo.com/386313325

 

[notredomer23]

That's amazing stuff, I wonder how messaging is going to have to be to make sure people get the second dose? First battle is the "not sure about the side effects" people, next I think is the "first dose is good enough".

I wonder if this makes the case for those priority groups to still get two doses, and those under 65 with no comorbidities to get 1 to make it go further. Idk. I don’t think it needing to go further is going to be too much of an issue as it looks like we will be getting JNJ early Feb.

 

[ab2cmiller]

I do have concern about the new mRNA vaccine. It's never been done before and the rush to get this vaccine to the public has me concerned.

With that said, the greater "at risk" you are the more likelihood that i would recommend taking the vaccine despite the concerns.

My Mom is close to 80, relatively healthy, but I would recommend that she takes it.

My kids are 18-25. They have almost zero risk. They obviously will make their own decision, but I will be recommending to them that they wait and let this play out. As others have said, we don't know what, if any, long term issues may come up from a mRNA vaccine.

If my kids were under 16, no way in hell I would let them get vaccinated until a lot of time has passed.

For myself, I really am not sure what I will do. I'm certainly more at risk than my kids and want to wait some reasonable amount of time to see how this plays out. If I was offered in January, I would decline. If my time doesn't come until May, not sure of my answer.

 

[Old Man Mike]

As to that vimeo about Larry Palevsky --- compelling? Hopefully not.

Palevsky is what he calls a "holistic pediatrician" who believes that most of modern "physical" medicine is useless if not directly harmful. Here are two of his opinions:

A. The 2019 measles outbreak in NYC/Brooklyn was caused by measles in vaccines, and not measles spread in a normal way human to human. Now, there is not only NO (zero) data to support that speculation, but as Palevsky (who runs a Wellness Center in the area) should know, only THREE PERCENT of the people getting measles in that outbreak had been vaccinated at all.

B. Instead of doing any medicine at all when your child gets sick, Palevsky believes that you should do nothing at all --- just keep them in bed. Two quotes:

“I believe in what’s called a starvation diet for kids when they’re sick."

“Most of the reason that kids get sick is to move or get rid of wastes anyway.”

This guy doesn't know what he's spewing talk about. Maybe he actually believes his sh!t, but he is riding high as a holistic medicine "expert" at speaking engagements. Either way, he's dangerous. Oregon took away the ability of a better known "MD" with similar claims to practice in the state. (guy named Thomas)

Compelling ... good lord save us from slick snake-oil salesmen.

 

[Old Man Mike]

On a more factual note: I just talked with The Fountains' activities coordinator who was just back from a three week "vacation" --- but it wasn't.

She and her family went to a wedding just before Christmas (wedding of a close relative.) The wedding was out-of-state and brought in people from several areas. Apparently nearly everyone got COVID. Her whole family did (despite she is in the habit of being very careful.) It was a mini-spreader event.

Her experience was pretty bad as to feeling very sick, but in her case that wasn't lungs-oriented. She had two bad weeks of gradually lessening sickness, and slowly increasing energy. Here at the end of the third week, she is convalescent to a degree, but still feels out-of-gas most of the time.

Her son (not a baby nor a pre-schooler) wasn't so "lucky." He got COVID of the lungs-attack kind. His condition was touch and go for a while, but thankfully is now in recovery.

Forget that idiot Palevsky and get the DAMM vaccine!!!

 

[Irish2155]

I’ll be 40 this year and have decided to hold off to see what side effects might look like. My work is from home though and can stay isolated for the most part. My diabetic GF however spends a lot of time in dental practices and got her first shot last week.

Grams, who will be 84 soon, is scheduled for her first vaccination next week thankfully.

 

[TorontoGold]

As to that vimeo about Larry Palevsky --- compelling? Hopefully not.

Palevsky is what he calls a "holistic pediatrician" who believes that most of modern "physical" medicine is useless if not directly harmful. Here are two of his opinions:

A. The 2019 measles outbreak in NYC/Brooklyn was caused by measles in vaccines, and not measles spread in a normal way human to human. Now, there is not only NO (zero) data to support that speculation, but as Palevsky (who runs a Wellness Center in the area) should know, only THREE PERCENT of the people getting measles in that outbreak had been vaccinated at all.

B. Instead of doing any medicine at all when your child gets sick, Palevsky believes that you should do nothing at all --- just keep them in bed. Two quotes:

“I believe in what’s called a starvation diet for kids when they’re sick."

“Most of the reason that kids get sick is to move or get rid of wastes anyway.”

This guy doesn't know what he's spewing talk about. Maybe he actually believes his sh!t, but he is riding high as a holistic medicine "expert" at speaking engagements. Either way, he's dangerous. Oregon took away the ability of a better known "MD" with similar claims to practice in the state. (guy named Thomas)

Compelling ... good lord save us from slick snake-oil salesmen.

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2:14 is quite important.

 

[IrishRazor82]

My wife and I are fully vaccinated, as are our kids.

But my wife's been looking into this more and more, and seen a lot of stuff that is giving her pause, and even feeling negligent for not looking into the research behind vaccines before. She's actually down on herself and I tell her it's probably fine and not to feel bad at all.

This video is 18 mins but every minute of it is extremely compelling:

https://vimeo.com/386313325

If we have any medical experts here, can you please discount this Dr with decades of PCP experience?

Because if 50% of this is accurate it's incredibly Fd up.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Just to mention that I am not an uneducated idiot: I have a PhD with a masters degree in Biochemistry from Iowa State university, and taught science for thirty years, including some bits on human immune systems and viruses. I admit that I am not an expert on everything, but note that not all doctors are either, and some people who happen to have MDs turn into quacks, as we see over and over again.

By all means seek many opinions --- just note that there are lots of slick sounding brainy individuals who have found lucrative niches in the upper middle class (looking for easy answers public) --- they hold workshops and weekends and anti-science retreats and sell untested and unbased-in-anything products etc etc.

Does any of it work? beyond psychology and placebo? Who knows? But don't suck in just because "hey that sounds kinda right to me" no matter how much baseless internet talk surrounds it.

 

[NDRock]

My wife and I are fully vaccinated, as are our kids.

But my wife's been looking into this more and more, and seen a lot of stuff that is giving her pause, and even feeling negligent for not looking into the research behind vaccines before. She's actually down on herself and I tell her it's probably fine and not to feel bad at all.

This video is 18 mins but every minute of it is extremely compelling:

https://vimeo.com/386313325

Watched half of it and I am not a medical expert at all. When I start hearing about the increase in behavioral disorders or learning disabilities in children, I think there may be multiple things going on. This guy (and others) want to put the blame on vaccines. It may have an affect, I don't know. I have seen other people (and studies) talk about the same problem in children and point to obesity and the types of foods we eat now and the terrible ingredients. They also use science and make compelling cases. I've seen others say it's related to the amount of time children are exposed to screen time. Studies show that can have a dramatic affect.

It also seems that diagnosing these issues is much more common than when I was a kid. Does that mean there is more of it or is it just now being diagnosed at a greater rate? I don't know. In my profession (fire service) PTSD has been a popular subject the last five years. The first 15 years I worked, I never heard anyone talk about it or get diagnosed as having it. The last five, that has dramatically changed. Is it because nobody had it before? Probably not.

Sorry for an uneducated response. I think you've done the right thing, personally. Interested to hear what others think.

 

[IrishRazor82]

As to that vimeo about Larry Palevsky --- compelling? Hopefully not.

Palevsky is what he calls a "holistic pediatrician" who believes that most of modern "physical" medicine is useless if not directly harmful. Here are two of his opinions:

A. The 2019 measles outbreak in NYC/Brooklyn was caused by measles in vaccines, and not measles spread in a normal way human to human. Now, there is not only NO (zero) data to support that speculation, but as Palevsky (who runs a Wellness Center in the area) should know, only THREE PERCENT of the people getting measles in that outbreak had been vaccinated at all.

B. Instead of doing any medicine at all when your child gets sick, Palevsky believes that you should do nothing at all --- just keep them in bed. Two quotes:

“I believe in what’s called a starvation diet for kids when they’re sick."

“Most of the reason that kids get sick is to move or get rid of wastes anyway.”

This guy doesn't know what he's spewing talk about. Maybe he actually believes his sh!t, but he is riding high as a holistic medicine "expert" at speaking engagements. Either way, he's dangerous. Oregon took away the ability of a better known "MD" with similar claims to practice in the state. (guy named Thomas)

Compelling ... good lord save us from slick snake-oil salesmen.

If I go through the trouble to list each objective data point he uses, will you address them individually? Skipping over all of the homework and essentially saying "that's crazy" doesn't do anything.

I'll relisten and clearly highlight the facts if you're willing to address, just let me know.

 

[NDRock]

If I go through the trouble to list each objective data point he uses, will you address them individually? Skipping over all of the homework and essentially saying "that's crazy" doesn't do anything.

I'll relisten and clearly highlight the facts if you're willing to address, just let me know.

I would be interested in some of the facts that concern you. I always watch these videos with skepticism so I'm admittedly biased. Like when he starts talking about mercury being in vaccines. That immediately freaks people out but when I look up how much, the answer I get is about the same in a 3 oz portion of tuna. So, is that really an issue?

 

[IrishRazor82]

I would be interested in some of the facts that concern you. I always watch these videos with skepticism so I'm admittedly biased. Like when he starts talking about mercury being in vaccines. That immediately freaks people out but when I look up how much, the answer I get is about the same in a 3 oz portion of tuna. So, is that really an issue?

Please be bias - I hope this is all BS, but here are the facts (I could only get through 8 of the 18 mins, so there is more): https://vimeo.com/386313325

- He graduated from med school in 1983. Worked 9 years in ER and as a neo-natal doctor, then started private practice for 20 years. He's seen some stuff.

- In 1998 he learned mercury (among other concerning ingredients) is in vaccines. This was not taught in medical school.

- These ingredients have been proven over to be very dangerous in animal studies.

- He's seen 1,000's of parents walk in with a healthy child, who later lost significant health after getting vaccinated (seizures, death, asthma, autism, auto immune, etc.).

- Today: 1/5 kids have a learning disability. It was 1/17 in 1976.

- Today: 1/6 under age 8, and 1/4 adults have been diagnosed with a mental, behavioral, or emotional disorder.

- 1/20 children under 5 years old have seizures.

- 1/40 develop autism.

- Auto-immune disease has risen exponentially over the past 3 decades and is one of the most prevalent diseases that exist.

- The body has a "blood brain barrier". This means elements of blood cannot naturally access the brain. Drug manufacturers use Nano-particles to break this barrier in medications. Vaccines use this same emulsifier to get into the brain. They increase access to the brain 20X.

- Not 1 study exists that looks at vaccine ingredients entering the brain.

- Not 1 study exists to do a side by side study of vaccinated vs. placebo kids, studying the vaccine risk.

- Manufacturers study side effects for 10-14 days tops. They also get to choose which side effects get to be associated with the vaccine and which to throw out.

- If something happens, Doctors will say "not from vaccine" but there is no study or proof that this is true.

- No study has ever proven non-vaccinated children were responsible for an outbreak. Said otherwise, getting vaccinated doesn't prevent you from spreading anything.

*** Ended at 8 minutes***. If you're intrigued enough, I urge you to listen to the remaining 10 on your own.

 

[IrishLax]

Please be bias - I hope this is all BS, but here are the facts (I could only get through 8 of the 18 mins, so there is more): https://vimeo.com/386313325

- He graduated from med school in 1983. Worked 9 years in ER and as a neo-natal doctor, then started private practice for 20 years. He's seen some stuff.

- In 1998 he learned mercury (among other concerning ingredients) is in vaccines. This was not taught in medical school.

- These ingredients have been proven over to be very dangerous in animal studies.

- He's seen 1,000's of parents walk in with a healthy child, who later lost significant health after getting vaccinated (seizures, death, asthma, autism, auto immune, etc.).

- Today: 1/5 kids have a learning disability. It was 1/17 in 1976.

- Today: 1/6 under age 8, and 1/4 adults have been diagnosed with a mental, behavioral, or emotional disorder.

- 1/20 children under 5 years old have seizures.

- 1/40 develop autism.

- Auto-immune disease has risen exponentially over the past 3 decades and is one of the most prevalent diseases that exist.

- The body has a "blood brain barrier". This means elements of blood cannot naturally access the brain. Drug manufacturers use Nano-particles to break this barrier in medications. Vaccines use this same emulsifier to get into the brain. They increase access to the brain 20X.

- Not 1 study exists that looks at vaccine ingredients entering the brain.

- Not 1 study exists to do a side by side study of vaccinated vs. placebo kids, studying the vaccine risk.

- Manufacturers study side effects for 10-14 days tops. They also get to choose which side effects get to be associated with the vaccine and which to throw out.

- If something happens, Doctors will say "not from vaccine" but there is no study or proof that this is true.

- No study has ever proven non-vaccinated children were responsible for an outbreak. Said otherwise, getting vaccinated doesn't prevent you from spreading anything.

*** Ended at 8 minutes***. If you're intrigued enough, I urge you to listen to the remaining 10 on your own.

OK so this list is classic anti-vaxxer stuff. I know that you said very clearly that you're not an anti-vaxxer, but this is how they get you. Videos with confidant sounding professionals touting "facts".

Let's start with the autism one. This one has been exhaustively researched and there is no link between vaccines and autism:

A meta-analysis of ten studies involving more than 1.2 million children reaffirms that vaccines don’t cause autism. If anything, immunization was associated with decreased risk that children would develop autism, a possibility that’s strongest with the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine.

The report appears online in the journal Vaccine as an “uncorrected proof.” This means that it has passed through peer review and been accepted for publication, but may still undergo proof-reading changes.

A meta-analysis combines and analyzes the results of multiple, earlier studies. By increasing the size of the sample – in this case to 1,266,327 children –scientists can generate more accurate conclusions than would be possible with a single study.

So as soon as someone tells you that vaccines are linked with autism, you can assume that either -- 1) they are willfully ignorant or 2) they are intentionally lying to you -- and given that those are the only two possible conclusions, you can disregard literally anything else they have to say.

 

[IrishRazor82]

OK so this list is classic anti-vaxxer stuff. I know that you said very clearly that you're not an anti-vaxxer, but this is how they get you. Videos with confidant sounding professionals touting "facts".

Let's start with the autism one. This one has been exhaustively researched and there is no link between vaccines and autism:

So as soon as someone tells you that vaccines are linked with autism, you can assume that either -- 1) they are willfully ignorant or 2) they are intentionally lying to you -- and given that those are the only two possible conclusions, you can disregard literally anything else they have to say.

Is it antivaccer because this Doctor is a crazy liar or is it "antivaccer" because vaccing is not as good as we've been told?

And to that study, he's not mincing words when he says "no study is done and/or proven", so how do I balance that? Is this study crap but it pulls the blanket over the average person's eyes but a PCP like him would realize it's inadequte?

This is the shit I can't balance. His concerns in children and increases in behavioral, emotional, diseases, etc., is alarming.

 

[TorontoGold]

Please be bias - I hope this is all BS, but here are the facts (I could only get through 8 of the 18 mins, so there is more): https://vimeo.com/386313325

- He graduated from med school in 1983. Worked 9 years in ER and as a neo-natal doctor, then started private practice for 20 years. He's seen some stuff.

- In 1998 he learned mercury (among other concerning ingredients) is in vaccines. This was not taught in medical school.

- These ingredients have been proven over to be very dangerous in animal studies.

- He's seen 1,000's of parents walk in with a healthy child, who later lost significant health after getting vaccinated (seizures, death, asthma, autism, auto immune, etc.).

- Today: 1/5 kids have a learning disability. It was 1/17 in 1976.

- Today: 1/6 under age 8, and 1/4 adults have been diagnosed with a mental, behavioral, or emotional disorder.

- 1/20 children under 5 years old have seizures.

- 1/40 develop autism.

- Auto-immune disease has risen exponentially over the past 3 decades and is one of the most prevalent diseases that exist.

- The body has a "blood brain barrier". This means elements of blood cannot naturally access the brain. Drug manufacturers use Nano-particles to break this barrier in medications. Vaccines use this same emulsifier to get into the brain. They increase access to the brain 20X.

- Not 1 study exists that looks at vaccine ingredients entering the brain.

- Not 1 study exists to do a side by side study of vaccinated vs. placebo kids, studying the vaccine risk.

- Manufacturers study side effects for 10-14 days tops. They also get to choose which side effects get to be associated with the vaccine and which to throw out.

- If something happens, Doctors will say "not from vaccine" but there is no study or proof that this is true.

- No study has ever proven non-vaccinated children were responsible for an outbreak. Said otherwise, getting vaccinated doesn't prevent you from spreading anything.

*** Ended at 8 minutes***. If you're intrigued enough, I urge you to listen to the remaining 10 on your own.

Some quick searches, will save you time conducting your research.

1. On the mercury claims - https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/thimerosal/index.html

2. His claims are almost all anecdotal which is the weakest form of any evidence. As a respected scholar and someone with a scientific background OMM will tell you if you submit a thesis with "I've seen it with my own eyes!" as support you'll be laughed out of school.

3. The idea of more vaccines = more kids with disabilities has been debunked countless times. An easier and less abrasive thought - detection of various disabilities is easier today than in the past.

4. On autoimmune diseases - see above point 3.

5. On the BBB points https://www.chop.edu/centers-progra...ccine-safety/blood-brain-barrier-and-vaccines

6. In terms of vaccine vs placebo, I mean, since the Scientific Method was introduced this has been used in science.

7. Manufactures throwing out evidence after 10-14 days is simply false. It's certainly strange in all of your research you didn't come across the vigorous data collection and reporting that is required for the COVID vaccines.

8. Guess when the measles vaccine was introduced, that should help with the "non-vaccinated kids don't cause outbreaks"

 

[notredomer23]

Is it antivaccer because this Doctor is a crazy liar or is it "antivaccer" because vaccing is not as good as we've been told?

And to that study, he's not mincing words when he says "no study is done and/or proven", so how do I balance that? Is this study crap but it pulls the blanket over the average person's eyes but a PCP like him would realize it's inadequte?

This is the shit I can't balance. His concerns in children and increases in behavioral, emotional, diseases, etc., is alarming.

Lax literally just showed you how you balance it. The guy is full of it. There are at least 10 peer reviewed studies out there.

 

[NDRock]

Please be bias - I hope this is all BS, but here are the facts (I could only get through 8 of the 18 mins, so there is more): https://vimeo.com/386313325

- He graduated from med school in 1983. Worked 9 years in ER and as a neo-natal doctor, then started private practice for 20 years. He's seen some stuff.

- In 1998 he learned mercury (among other concerning ingredients) is in vaccines. This was not taught in medical school.

- These ingredients have been proven over to be very dangerous in animal studies.

The ingredients have been proven dangerous but at the same dose that is in vaccines? Trace amounts of an ingredient may cause no harm but could be lethal at higher amounts. He leaves that part out

- He's seen 1,000's of parents walk in with a healthy child, who later lost significant health after getting vaccinated (seizures, death, asthma, autism, auto immune, etc.).

Since kids get vaccinated early in their life, almost everything they come down with is "post-vaccination". He never gives a timeframe or a study linking the two. All anecdotal evidence. My own experience and everyone I knows contradicts this.

- Today: 1/5 kids have a learning disability. It was 1/17 in 1976.
The percentage of obese children was 5.5% in 1976, now it's almost 20%. Does that mean vaccines are causing obesity? Are there studies linking vaccines and learning disabilities?

- Today: 1/6 under age 8, and 1/4 adults have been diagnosed with a mental, behavioral, or emotional disorder.
Ok, those are stats without any context. Is this more than ever? Are there any studies linking vaccines and these disorders. There are many, environmental and societal factors that could also be at play here. There are more single parents and divorce than ever before. More drug use, more willingness to diagose, etc...

- 1/20 children under 5 years old have seizures.
Same as above

- 1/40 develop autism.
Same as above

- Auto-immune disease has risen exponentially over the past 3 decades and is one of the most prevalent diseases that exist.
People are generally less healthy than ever before. Why would the cause automatically be vaccines?

- The body has a "blood brain barrier". This means elements of blood cannot naturally access the brain. Drug manufacturers use Nano-particles to break this barrier in medications. Vaccines use this same emulsifier to get into the brain. They increase access to the brain 20X.
Too dumb for this

- Not 1 study exists that looks at vaccine ingredients entering the brain.
So, we just don't know

- Not 1 study exists to do a side by side study of vaccinated vs. placebo kids, studying the vaccine risk.
Than why make the claims he makes?

- Manufacturers study side effects for 10-14 days tops. They also get to choose which side effects get to be associated with the vaccine and which to throw out.

- If something happens, Doctors will say "not from vaccine" but there is no study or proof that this is true.

- No study has ever proven non-vaccinated children were responsible for an outbreak. Said otherwise, getting vaccinated doesn't prevent you from spreading anything.

*** Ended at 8 minutes***. If you're intrigued enough, I urge you to listen to the remaining 10 on your own.

Just some thoughts. In these types of videos, I always want an expert from the "other side" right there to refute any claims. These one-sided videos are always problematic to me.

I'm sure any time you put something in your body there is a risk for side effects.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Yeh, including bad information.

 

[IrishLax]

Is it antivaccer because this Doctor is a crazy liar or is it "antivaccer" because vaccing is not as good as we've been told?

Just the list of "facts" in the post, I didn't watch the video. But that list of "facts" from that doctor is straight out of the anti-vaxxer playbook. They basically obfuscate and distort a ton of information to make it seem like vaccines are unsafe.

I could pick apart that entire list, but it's a waste of time. You know as soon as anti-vaxxer claims or implies that autism is linked to vaccines that they are totally full of it.

And to that study, he's not mincing words when he says "no study is done and/or proven", so how do I balance that? Is this study crap but it pulls the blanket over the average person's eyes but a PCP like him would realize it's inadequte?

This is the shit I can't balance. His concerns in children and increases in behavioral, emotional, diseases, etc., is alarming.

Most of these people have an ulterior motive. Some are just crazy, but most have an ulterior motive.

A 5-second Google search reveals that this guy runs a "wellness center" with a bunch of "natural medicine" bullshit. His entire business is based on convincing mothers that they should pay him a lot of money to treat their kids and that they can't trust traditional medicine. He's also the poster child for anti-vaxxers:

Dr. Lawrence Palevsky is a leading proponent of the discredited conspiracy theory that vaccines are related to autism. Doctors like Palevsky are prompting some in the medical community to question whether physicians should lose their license for expressing anti-vaccine views.

So tell your wife that she shouldn't believe a word out of this guy's mouth.

 

[IrishRazor82]

Glad to hear all of this since we cannot "unvacc".

But why do vaccines use a process that makes it 20X more likely to get the ingredients into the brain?

 

[tussin]

So as soon as someone tells you that vaccines are linked with autism, you can assume that either -- 1) they are willfully ignorant or 2) they are intentionally lying to you -- and given that those are the only two possible conclusions, you can disregard literally anything else they have to say.

Or #3, they are a parent with a severely autistic child that is desperate and searching for answers.

Regarding COVID, my wife literally wrote the Pfizer / NEJM study on the vaccine. It's one of the most effective vaccines ever developed -- a true medical miracle -- and there is no reason not to take it. I could see a rationale for someone young and healthy in the medical field declining it if they were somehow able to reassign their dose to someone in an at-risk population group, but that's not the case. Unfortunately, we are seeing the effects of months (if not years more broadly) of COVID vaccine misinformation rear it's ugly head with this rollout.

 

[TorontoGold]

Or #3, they are a parent with a severely autistic child that is desperate and searching for answers.

Regarding COVID, my wife literally wrote the Pfizer / NEJM study on the vaccine. It's one of the most effective vaccines ever developed -- a true medical miracle -- and there is no reason not to take it. I could see a rationale for someone young and healthy in the medical field declining it if they were somehow able to reassign their dose to someone in an at-risk population group, but that's not the case. Unfortunately, we are seeing the effects of months (if not years more broadly) of COVID vaccine misinformation rear it's ugly head with this rollout.

Your wife is a hero, do you mind sharing the study? Would love to read it.

 

[tussin]

Your wife is a hero, do you mind sharing the study? Would love to read it.

Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine

 

[IrishRazor82]

Glad to hear all of this since we cannot "unvacc".

But why do vaccines use a process that makes it 20X more likely to get the ingredients into the brain?

Repasting this question.

 

[SonofOahu]

Lax:

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[ulukinatme]

Or #3, they are a parent with a severely autistic child that is desperate and searching for answers.

#3 here, sort of...I should say first that all my children are up to date on vaccines though, so I don't want anyone giving me shit on that front. I do have a child that is on the lower end of the spectrum but not the most severe. He's still in diapers at 8 and can only repeat a handful of words, but only when they're spoken to him first. He never really speaks on his own. Makes diagnosing what is bothering him on a daily basis very difficult. The basic things like hunger or thirst are easy enough, but when those needs are met and he's still upset and there's no obvious triggers around you begin second guessing, "Do I need to make a trip to the ER again? Could be nothing, but what if it's serious?" You don't know, could just be a headache, could be a bowel blockage, could be an ear infection, could be absolutely nothing because they can't tell you otherwise. It can be a weekly thing, and it really breaks you after awhile. If we had more answers it would maybe alleviate that frustration a bit. The long and short of it is he was progressing normally and could speak in short sentences up until he was about 2. Literally within a week of getting a round of shots he just started to regress quickly and began picking up little quirks like spinning and ordering his toys in lines.

Could it all be a coincidence? Quite possibly, sure. I'm not an anti-vaxer by any means, as I said all my children are up to date. It's hard not to consider the possibility though when science has given us no clear causes yet. It makes you second guess everything when you have whistle blowers like Snowden that tell you how the government lies to us. Makes you wonder things like if big pharm has paid off people to keep things hush hush so they don't lose that income. I'm not a real conspiracy theorist, I don't push that stuff out like it's the truth. Still, I'm just not willing to discount the possibility there could be a connection given my own experience.

That said, most days I consider myself blessed. He's a happy guy most of the time and he doesn't really hurt himself. There are certainly kids that are worse off, I've seen some in his Abilities First class. I've seen kids that are far better off too though. I see parents in Autism support groups that say shit like, "I wouldn't change my kid for the world." Really? Well, lucky fucking you then, because I would give the world for my boy to be able to tell me what's troubling him, or to say how he's feeling, or something as simple as, "I love you, daddy." He can say it with a hug or a smile, but you'd be surprised how much words can carry weight when you take them away. I'd love to be able to go into a store or take him for a haircut and not have people look at you like you raised a monster. People will even come up and tell you that you're a horrible parent, or to "Get your kid under control." Every once in awhile someone will come along and give an encouraging word, and those moments make the difference.

I was quite on board the train that Autism was probably genetically linked because my wife has two cousins on the spectrum, and then two weeks ago one of my sister's twins was diagnosed and we had no previous history in my family before my son. Now I'm on the fence once more...both my son and her twins were problem births, were they affected as a result of that? Is it genetics? Is it dietary? Is it something else? Just lots of questions with no real answers. The one fact we do know is Autism is on the rise with no clear indication of what causes it and we lack the funds/support to take care of these individuals once the parents pass on. There will have to be a much greater number of group homes and other support structures in place in the coming years to accommodate this growing demographic. We've already been mentally grooming our daughter since age 6 to be his caretaker once we pass on, and while she loves her brother and will always take care of him it's a scary thought that it will one day be her burden too.

Sorry if this was long winded. Like I said, I'm no anti-vaxer. My experience was likely all coincidental. Still, with so many questions and so few answers...given my situation and how it all went down...it feels somewhat condescending when people berate those that question the possible side effects. People with no experience with Autism, who don't have to deal with the daily stress, and who didn't personally participate in any Autism related studies/testing will tell you you're an awful person when you just want answers. I believe in vaccines and I believe in science, I just don't trust the government to give us the full story.

 

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We are Sodom and Gomorrah?
What an A$$hole comment.
You have nothing better to do than sh!t on older people?

Sorry OMM, thought that joke didn't require the italics. Definitely not shitting on you, just saying once your community is all vaccinated you guys can party it up together.

Love our IE elder statesmen like you and ACamp.

 

[NorthDakota]

Sorry OMM, thought that joke didn't require the italics. Definitely not shitting on you, just saying once your community is all vaccinated you guys can party it up together.

Love our IE elder statesmen like you and ACamp.

I understood the joke. There is a fairly well-established joke that retirement communities are full of debauchery. Our Old Man here may be unaware or sensitive to the topic and thats fine as well. He serves as a secondary grandpa to many of us so I'll always enjoy him.

 

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#3 here, sort of...I should say first that all my children are up to date on vaccines though, so I don't want anyone giving me shit on that front. I do have a child that is on the lower end of the spectrum but not the most severe. He's still in diapers at 8 and can only repeat a handful of words, but only when they're spoken to him first. He never really speaks on his own. Makes diagnosing what is bothering him on a daily basis very difficult. The basic things like hunger or thirst are easy enough, but when those needs are met and he's still upset and there's no obvious triggers around you begin second guessing, "Do I need to make a trip to the ER again? Could be nothing, but what if it's serious?" You don't know, could just be a headache, could be a bowel blockage, could be an ear infection, could be absolutely nothing because they can't tell you otherwise. It can be a weekly thing, and it really breaks you after awhile. If we had more answers it would maybe alleviate that frustration a bit. The long and short of it is he was progressing normally and could speak in short sentences up until he was about 2. Literally within a week of getting a round of shots he just started to regress quickly and began picking up little quirks like spinning and ordering his toys in lines.

Could it all be a coincidence? Quite possibly, sure. I'm not an anti-vaxer by any means, as I said all my children are up to date. It's hard not to consider the possibility though when science has given us no clear causes yet. It makes you second guess everything when you have whistle blowers like Snowden that tell you how the government lies to us. Makes you wonder things like if big pharm has paid off people to keep things hush hush so they don't lose that income. I'm not a real conspiracy theorist, I don't push that stuff out like it's the truth. Still, I'm just not willing to discount the possibility there could be a connection given my own experience.

That said, most days I consider myself blessed. He's a happy guy most of the time and he doesn't really hurt himself. There are certainly kids that are worse off, I've seen some in his Abilities First class. I've seen kids that are far better off too though. I see parents in Autism support groups that say shit like, "I wouldn't change my kid for the world." Really? Well, lucky fucking you then, because I would give the world for my boy to be able to tell me what's troubling him, or to say how he's feeling, or something as simple as, "I love you, daddy." He can say it with a hug or a smile, but you'd be surprised how much words can carry weight when you take them away. I'd love to be able to go into a store or take him for a haircut and not have people look at you like you raised a monster. People will even come up and tell you that you're a horrible parent, or to "Get your kid under control." Every once in awhile someone will come along and give an encouraging word, and those moments make the difference.

I was quite on board the train that Autism was probably genetically linked because my wife has two cousins on the spectrum, and then two weeks ago one of my sister's twins was diagnosed and we had no previous history in my family before my son. Now I'm on the fence once more...both my son and her twins were problem births, were they affected as a result of that? Is it genetics? Is it something else? Just lots of questions with no real answers. The one fact we do know is Autism is on the rise with no clear indication of what causes it and we lack the funds/support to take care of these individuals once the parents pass on. There will have to be a much greater number of group homes and other support structures in place in the coming years to accommodate this growing demographic. We've already been mentally grooming our daughter since age 6 to be his caretaker once we pass on, and while she loves her brother and will always take care of him it's a scary thought that it will one day be her burden too.

Sorry if this was long winded. Like I said, I'm no anti-vaxer. My experience was likely all coincidental. Still, with so many questions and so few answers...given my situation and how it all went down...it feels somewhat condescending when people berate those that question the possible side effects. People with no experience with Autism, who don't have to deal with the daily stress, and who didn't personally participate in any Autism related studies/testing will tell you you're an awful person when you just want answers. I believe in vaccines and I believe in science, I just don't trust the government to give us the full story.

Damm that's heartbreaking to read ulukinatme.

My wife is a front line worker. We've been debating whether or not she should get vaccinated because we also just found out she's expecting our first. We wanted to wait until our first doc appointment to ask her opinion. Before we were even able to land on a decision it turns out she caught covid.

Can't say it didn't cross my mind that autism or some other unforeseen medical challenge could come from the vaccine or covid itself. Even if everything I've read on the subject logically should reassure me.

Stay strong brother. Sounds like you're doing all the right things. I hope if I ever find myself in a similar situation I have the strength to deal with it the way you have.