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http://https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/04/key-coronavirus-forecast-predicts-over-410000-total-us-deaths-by-jan-1.html

The current prediction is that by the end of the year almost as many Americans will have died of COVID as died during WW2. Let that sink in.

I doubt we hit that number, but it seems likely that we will continue to tread water in the ~1k deaths per day range until a vaccine has been distributed to a significant portion of the population.

We are at 200k now with 108 days left until New Years... so I think 250k-300k is more realistic. Regardless, it seems certain at this point that we will finish as one of the worst 1st world countries by virtually every metric.
 

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I doubt we hit that number, but it seems likely that we will continue to tread water in the ~1k deaths per day range until a vaccine has been distributed to a significant portion of the population.

We are at 200k now with 108 days left until New Years... so I think 250k-300k is more realistic. Regardless, it seems certain at this point that we will finish as one of the worst 1st world countries by virtually every metric.

I wonder how the spread of the regular flu is gonna go this fall and winter. Will it not be as bad becasue of all the other precautions being taken or will it aid in the transmission and spread of COVID infections? (I am just opining).
 

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I doubt we hit that number, but it seems likely that we will continue to tread water in the ~1k deaths per day range until a vaccine has been distributed to a significant portion of the population.

We are at 200k now with 108 days left until New Years... so I think 250k-300k is more realistic. Regardless, it seems certain at this point that we will finish as one of the worst 1st world countries by virtually every metric.

What I really want to know is how many people died in 2020 (segmented by population demographics and comorbidities) versus a "normal" year. That will help quantify the true impact of COVID.
 

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Dude in Best Buy walked into the store with a mask on, then took it off upon entry. Staff asked him to wear it or leave, he throws a tantrum. Other patrons in the store then cancel culture shamed him until he finally left.

I was frozen by the display of pure stupidity and American Exceptionalism that I didn't get video on my phone. I paid for my new printer and left, but on the drive home, I kept thinking I missed on a video I could have Tweeted that Rex Chapman could have liked or retweeted.

Fucking Mondays.
 

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Tucker just had a guest on who says she has proof that 1) the Chinese manufactured this virus in a lab and 2) purposely released it to the public.

If true then that’s some WWIII type stuff...
 

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Tucker just had a guest on who says she has proof that 1) the Chinese manufactured this virus in a lab and 2) purposely released it to the public.

If true then that’s some WWIII type stuff...

I watched it. There were times it was difficult to understand her. Most of it makes sense with the genome tracing. Also her analogy of the body with different arms than body, etc. I was told early on by someone in the medical industry this was the case. What I was told scared the crap out of me! The story of long haulers confirms what I was also told and how the virus was designed and what the hopes were for it once it entered a host. I don't want it to be true, but it becomes more and more true every day.
 

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Tucker just had a guest on who says she has proof that 1) the Chinese manufactured this virus in a lab and 2) purposely released it to the public.

If true then that’s some WWIII type stuff...

Definitely an act of war. I think it got out on accident and then they decided that everybody was going to deal with this, not just them .

I fucking hate china.
 

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Tucker just had a guest on who says she has proof that 1) the Chinese manufactured this virus in a lab and 2) purposely released it to the public.

If true then that’s some WWIII type stuff...

She's a racist and tucker is a white supremacist.
 

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A few things that I know (most from WAY earlier than COVID days):

1. All countries of any technological sophistication have researchers who look into viruses and even very deadly viruses. The United States has been the world leader (as usual) in these matters, both as to university and business scientists and (no surprise) military development of bio-weapons.
2. Back in the 1960 (70s?) we had the first so-called P4 containment facility --- a military research laboratory --- at Ft. Detrick, MD. This lab was (as far as is known) the world's first P4 lab, and contained all the usual nasties --- botulism, plague, anthrax et al. Allegedly our goals were merely study to ward off bio-attack consequences, but we weaponized as well. To my knowledge, we have never been insane enough to actually release this level thing on populations.
3. The P4 containment is extreme. Totally self-contained water system and total high-tech sanitized air system. No outside clothing in the lab core, and all lab clothing BURNT upon leaving the core. "Space station" pressurized hatches for inside/outside interchanges, and you get the idea. That was the description as I was told.
4. One lab wasn't enough and P4s (today being called something fancier) were built all over the US (I think that there are four in Texas alone, for instance) and we are tickling the Viral Tiger all over the country --- and, of course so is the world. This tickling also takes place in the Wuhan lab.
5. In the US there have been 700+ "accidents" over time which resulted in viral releases. 80% of these accidents have been found to be caused by human incompetence. 20% of these have been tagged to flaws in the systemic technology or procedures. That's the US alone. As a wise man said: Sh!t Happens.
6. The Wuhan lab has been the central lab for studying viruses in bats for (?) a decade, and today is called a P4 containment facility (for the past 2-3 years I believe; it was a P2 previously.) During its P4 upgraded years, there have been complaints by visiting scientists that it is not at acceptable conditions for a P4, especially in the quality of the staff as a whole. The Wuhan lab, therefore was/is a prime candidate for an accidental release.
7. The DNA sequence of the "natural" virus in the offending bat is well-known. Our DNA tech is easily up to knowing that with precision. The DNA sequence of the offending COVID virus is also now well-known. The two are essentially identical, and the "mutation" is the type that occurs naturally in animal viruses. This is why the virus scientists see no evidence that COVID is a new lab-generated form of the natural virus but rather a naturally evolved mutation which allowed interspecies transmission.
8. An intellectually honest primary hypothesis would be: a laboratory which was in the business of studying bat viruses for several years, found that one such strain had mutated. It was put into P4 confinement. (There is the former P2 lab nearby, by the way, and, workers do pass between the two laboratories regularly.) As happens way too often in these labs, some human does a bonehead and the viral strain escapes (also by the way, bats studied in the P2 lab are live released, apparently if they are assumed not to have any dangerous viruses in them --- sort of equivalent to releasing a non-rabid dog.)

Now, the only left-over question would be: In what world of speculation could one feel that the government of China released this virus deliberately on its own people in a city of 1.3 million? I'm now certain, after reading some of IE, that people can believe that, but my world of foreign intrigue and intelligence community thinking can't remotely get there.
 

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An example of an emerging zoonotic infection that had airborne transmission discovered within the U.S. is the hantavirus infection with first persons coming from the Navajo Reservation.
- The New Mexico Office of Medical Investigation first alerted the CDC.
- The cardiopulmonary symptoms advanced so rapidly after infection and mortality was 50% many patients never made it to Albuquerque, which had only a few rooms with negative pressure airflow, so they were not overwhelmed as with the novel coronavirus
- The infected patients who did not die in the field were sent to the University of New Mexico Medical ICU in Albuquerque
- Critical Care physicians there and the University Infectious Disease head alerted the CDC to the new virus
- Containment was a priority. The Moon suits with the air packs were required in personnel involved in patient care. The ICU was dedicated to just those patients. RNs were given the opportunity to opt out of patient care.
- Health care professionals were isolated from their families until human-to-human transmission could be determined.
- This was classified as a Level 4 virus
- the virus was similar to the hantavirus first discovered in Korea, which had primarily renal symptoms.
- the virus was renamed Hantavirus Pulmonary Syndrome, the vector was determined, moon suits were discontinued when it was determined not to have human-to-human transmission

The major difference with influenza and with the novel coronavirus is the rapidity of onset of symptoms after infection, its severity and most patients are symptomatic. Surprisingly, it did not appear in those with decreased immunity but in healthy adults. The distinction had to be determined between an emerging infection, a mutation or perhaps even an engineered virus.

Tracking a Mystery Disease: The Detailed Story of Hantavirus Pulmonary Syndrome (HPS)
 
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Lack of Antigen Test Reporting Leaves Country ‘Blind to the Pandemic’ (KHN)

More than 20 states either don’t release or have incomplete data on the rapid antigen tests now considered key to containing the coronavirus, which has sickened more than 6 million Americans. The lapses leave officials and the public in the dark about the true scope of the pandemic as untold numbers of cases go uncounted.

The gap will only widen as tens of millions of antigen tests sweep the country. Federal officials are prioritizing the tests to quickly detect COVID-19’s spread over slower, but more accurate, PCR tests.

Relying on patchy data on COVID testing carries enormous consequences as officials decide whether to reopen schools and businesses: Go back to normal too quickly and risk even greater outbreaks of disease. Keep people at home too long and risk an even greater economic crisis.

“The absence of information is a very dangerous thing,” said Janet Hamilton, executive director of the Council for State and Territorial Epidemiologists, which represents public health officials. “We will be blind to the pandemic. It will be happening around us and we will have no data.”

The states that don’t report antigen test results or don’t count antigen positives as COVID cases are California, Colorado, Georgia, Illinois, Maryland, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, Wisconsin and Wyoming, as well as the District of Columbia.

So far, most of the COVID tests given in the U.S. have been PCR tests, which are processed in medical labs and can take days to return results. By contrast, antigen tests offer results in minutes outside of labs, appealing to everyone from medical clinics to sports teams and universities.

Each relies on swabs to test patients. But unlike using tests run through labs, many providers who would use antigen tests don’t have an easy way to send data electronically to public health authorities.

Since July, though, the federal government has pushed roughly 5 million antigen tests into nearly 14,000 nursing homes to contain outbreaks among staff members and residents. The Department of Health and Human Services also awarded a $760 million contract to buy 150 million rapid antigen tests from Abbott, the Illinois-based diagnostics behemoth. It plans to send 750,000 of those to nursing homes starting this week, Brett Giroir, the HHS official heading the Trump administration’s testing efforts, told industry executives elsewhere but have suggested many will go to governors to distribute as schools reopen.

The rush of antigen tests, however, won’t be particularly useful to officials if the results are not publicly and uniformly reported.

KHN surveyed 50 states and the District of Columbia on their collection of antigen test results and what is reported publicly. Forty-eight responded between Sept. 3 and 10, revealing significant variation over whether people who test positive for COVID-19 with an antigen test are counted as cases and whether states even publicly report antigen data in their testing numbers: (cont)

Trump: “We have 20 percent of the cases [in the world] because of the fact that we do much more testing. If we wouldn’t do testing, you wouldn’t have cases. You would have very few cases."

Is this a corollary? You can have the "much more testing", but without reporting you would have very few cases.
 
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https://www.tennessean.com/story/ne...penny-dies-covid-19-complications/5846147002/

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This week’s Herman Cain Award goes to former Nashville councilman, Tony Tenpenny. <a href="https://t.co/xxGJwNEM7M">pic.twitter.com/xxGJwNEM7M</a></p>— The Hoarse Whisperer (@TheRealHoarse) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRealHoarse/status/1308029549729533952?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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Lack of Antigen Test Reporting Leaves Country ‘Blind to the Pandemic’ (KHN)



Trump: “We have 20 percent of the cases [in the world] because of the fact that we do much more testing. If we wouldn’t do testing, you wouldn’t have cases. You would have very few cases."

Is this a corollary? You can have the "much more testing", but without reporting you would have very few cases.

This still remains one of the dumbest things he has ever said and the fact he currently STILL operates under this assessment sucks so bad.

I guess it escapes him that the # of people who test positive would still have the virus regardless if they were tested.
 

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Report from Government Accounting Office today:

COVID-19:
Federal Efforts Could Be Strengthened by Timely and Concerted Actions


Excerpts:
Under Findings
This report updates our oversight of federal actions to support public health, individuals, and the economy during the COVID-19 pandemic. Findings include:

There have been shortages of personal protective equipment and testing supplies because very few of them are made in the U.S. and global demand for them is high

HHS may be able to collect more complete data on COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations, and deaths among racial and ethnic minority groups

The Department of the Treasury and the IRS don't know how many eligible people have yet to receive an economic impact payment

We made 16 recommendations to address these and other issues.

Under Highlights:
GAO is making the following recommendations:

- HHS, in coordination with FEMA, should immediately document roles and responsibilities for supply chain management functions transitioning to HHS, including continued support from other federal partners, to ensure sufficient resources exist to sustain and make the necessary progress in stabilizing the supply chain.

- HHS, in coordination with FEMA, should further develop and communicate to stakeholders plans outlining specific actions the federal government will take to help mitigate supply chain shortages for the remainder of the pandemic.

- HHS and FEMA—working with relevant stakeholders—should devise interim solutions, such as systems and guidance and dissemination of best practices, to help states enhance their ability to track the status of supply requests and plan for supply needs for the remainder of the COVID-19 pandemic response.

HHS and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) objected to GAO’s initial draft recommendations. GAO made revisions based on their comments. GAO maintains that implementation of its modified recommendations is both warranted and prudent. These actions could contribute to ensuring a more effective response by helping to mitigate challenges with the stability of the medical supply chain and the ability of nonfederal partners to track, plan, and budget for ongoing medical supply needs.

(Bolding theirs)
 

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The wife and I spent four days at Dale Hollow Lake which straddles KY & TN. We went to a grocery store in Celina, TN., walked in with our masks on and everyone looked at us like we were aliens. Pretty much anywhere we stopped, no one was wearing a mask except for a few employees and some of them left their noses exposed.
 

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The wife and I spent four days at Dale Hollow Lake which straddles KY & TN. We went to a grocery store in Celina, TN., walked in with our masks on and everyone looked at us like we were aliens. Pretty much anywhere we stopped, no one was wearing a mask except for a few employees and some of them left their noses exposed.

Kind of like with condoms, if they say you don't need to wear a mask, you REALLY should be wearing a mask.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">9/22/20 update on C19 among students on campus since August, from 37 U.S. universities: Despite ~48,300 “+ C19 tests” near absence of reported C19 hospitalizations, and zero reported deaths <a href="https://t.co/1wN67LPpdr">pic.twitter.com/1wN67LPpdr</a></p>— Andrew Bostom (@andrewbostom) <a href="https://twitter.com/andrewbostom/status/1308496346454913026?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

No word on the actual 2.
 

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If a college aged kid were to die it'd be after a minimum of one month of admission to the hospital assuming they made it to the hospital. It's hard to kill a college kid in the age of ECMO and invasive mechanical ventilation.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">9/22/20 update on C19 among students on campus since August, from 37 U.S. universities: Despite ~48,300 “+ C19 tests” near absence of reported C19 hospitalizations, and zero reported deaths <a href="https://t.co/1wN67LPpdr">pic.twitter.com/1wN67LPpdr</a></p>— Andrew Bostom (@andrewbostom) <a href="https://twitter.com/andrewbostom/status/1308496346454913026?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

No word on the actual 2.

I'm not really following this guys logic, other than he checks college dashboards for positive tests and googles to see if any articles mentions students in hospital or died?
 

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I'm not really following this guys logic, other than he checks college dashboards for positive tests and googles to see if any articles mentions students in hospital or died?

You can guarantee if a college kid died that returned to campus we would have heard about it by now.
 
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