COVID-19

[JurDocDuLac]

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Her name Is ARIANA N. PEKARY and her resignation letter.
I'll make sure I post a more informative post in the future.

What does this post about the media have to do with the thread topic - Covid-19? Nothing.

Circa, start a thread about the media and post this stuff there. Leave this thread to Covid-19. Please.



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[Circa]

What does this post about the media have to do with the thread topic - Covid-19? Nothing.

Circa, start a thread about the media and post this stuff there. Leave this thread to Covid-19. Please.



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DUDE! I believe we entered an area where harassment might be the case... I hate to say BULLY!
You seem to be direct and forward with every post i have. I owe you nothing. I don't know you and I have tried to apologize.... I'm not going to be told what to do by you. I can't believe i have to say that.

April 2020..... and you are trying to manipulate what?....
I really don't try to go after any single poster .... NEVER! In the 13 years i have been around. Not Once.

Give Me Back my Vbucks! 20 gazillion... and ya still act like this. lol. i don't need the bucks... leave me alone!

 

[JurDocDuLac]

...April 2020.....

No. May 1979. And you?

 

[yankeehater]

My hope is that there truly is some T-Cell protection that kicks in for most folks...especially if they’ve recently had a cold....where the “herd immunity” doesn’t have to get to the approx 70% mark that some assume it has to get to. How great would it be if it only had to be around 20-30%? We seem to have some good therapeutics available in Remedsevir, Imbruvica & Calquence that deal w/ the cytokine storm. I’ve read that budesonide via nebulizer has shown a benefit in treatment.

With more therapeutics, numerous vaccines in Phase III trials & hospitals understanding how to handle being overwhelmed, I feel hopeful. I also feel that we will see another pandemic in our lifetime that has a fatality rate that is much higher than COVID-19. We all know COVID is dangerous enough to lead to death or long-term complications but look how the country as a whole has panicked despite the low fatality rate and imagine a pandemic where the fatality rate is 5-10x that.

Have you read the side effects from these drug? Holy shit! I would rather deal with Covid than those drugs! Check out Leronlimab. Treats the cytokine storm, boosts the immunity, while reducing the viral load. Zero serious side effects in any study including their recent covid phase II mild/moderate study (64% reduction vs placebo in SAE's). Problem it is little bio and Fauci loves himself some Big Pharma!

 

[Irishize]

Have you read the side effects from these drug? Holy shit! I would rather deal with Covid than those drugs! Check out Leronlimab. Treats the cytokine storm, boosts the immunity, while reducing the viral load. Zero serious side effects in any study including their recent covid phase II mild/moderate study (64% reduction vs placebo in SAE's). Problem it is little bio and Fauci loves himself some Big Pharma!

Actually the cost is scarier than all of what you mentioned. Yes, unfortunately, when you have products treating cancer...specifically hematological cancer...there will be side effects. However, we need to wait and see what the data looks like when treating actual COVID-19 patients. Remember, the patients taking Imbruvica or Calquence are battling leukemia so I don’t think we can assume the same side effects (lymphocyctosis, infection, neutropenia, anemia) for a person battling COVID-19. Not saying there won’t be any Grade 3/4 AEs...there surely will be....but we need more data.

I’m not aware of Fauci having the final say on any of these currently approved biological as therapeutics for COVID. Looks like the jury is still out on leronlimab in treating HIV. Keep in mind that the other aforementioned biologics have all been FDA approved in their respective disease states (HIV, CLL, etc)

 

[Irishize]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sweden appears to have achieved herd immunity. <a href="https://t.co/fJGaBlqwD9">https://t.co/fJGaBlqwD9</a></p>— Avik Roy (@Avik) <a href="https://twitter.com/Avik/status/1291072913244860418?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[ab2cmiller]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sweden appears to have achieved herd immunity. <a href="https://t.co/fJGaBlqwD9">https://t.co/fJGaBlqwD9</a></p>— Avik Roy (@Avik) <a href="https://twitter.com/Avik/status/1291072913244860418?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Getting real close anyhow. Death reporting in Sweden can lag by 14 days pretty routinely. But it looks like they are under 10 deaths per day for sure. ICU admissions are down to 1 per day. Where Sweden really screwed up is how they treated the elderly and those in LTC facilities. If you were over 75, you had almost no chance of getting admitted to a hospital ICU room. Instead you were routinely given morphine, and basically left to die.

Michael Levitt has been shouting from the rooftops since March and April that he believes that herd immunity is closer to 20 to 30% based upon what he observed on the Princess Cruise Line and various countries. Some areas such as NY city can definitely be more based upon population density and other factors. Bottom line is herd immunity does not appear to require the 60 to 70% that the experts believed. As you and others have pointed out, the answer appears to be T cells which allows many people to have some level of natural resistance to catching COVID.

 

[Rogue219]

It is what it is.

My 401K and Roth IRA are going up like the amount of confirmed cases in my county. Mixed feelings about it. Like Lindsey Graham driving off a cliff in my brand new Ferrari.

 

[Irishize]

Getting real close anyhow. Death reporting in Sweden can lag by 14 days pretty routinely. But it looks like they are under 10 deaths per day for sure. ICU admissions are down to 1 per day. Where Sweden really screwed up is how they treated the elderly and those in LTC facilities. If you were over 75, you had almost no chance of getting admitted to a hospital ICU room. Instead you were routinely given morphine, and basically left to die.

Michael Levitt has been shouting from the rooftops since March and April that he believes that herd immunity is closer to 20 to 30% based upon what he observed on the Princess Cruise Line and various countries. Some areas such as NY city can definitely be more based upon population density and other factors. Bottom line is herd immunity does not appear to require the 60 to 70% that the experts believed. As you and others have pointed out, the answer appears to be T cells which allows many people to have some level of natural resistance to catching COVID.

Man that’s promising feedback. Where I have seen/heard the name Michael Levitt? To your/his point, Ive been hearing the same thing. Not that the sources have claimed this is definitive but it’s hopeful as the science evolves. Additionally, some believe that some folks simply have built-in immunity to COVID-19 as they had recently gotten over a cold before the pandemic exacerbated in the US.

 

[Circa]

No. May 1979. And you?

August 11, 1978.
My age has nothing to do with the reality I/we face today. I will say this here... I was a foster child until my brother killed himself at 17 and I was 18 and just graduated high school. He had some issues because my mother was on drugs when she had him. (never met her). Still would like to If she's around)... Not at the top of my list these days.
I was born/baptised as a Roman Catholic in Philadelphia, PA. My roots started within the Church.

I promise you and everyone else, I've lived a life you wouldn't want. I've watched people at the earliest of times say we don't want them just because.... First time... I was 5.
I don't need sympathy. But, i promise ya this. I'm not like you. (not out of contempt)

I'm going through my 2nd divorce. I've got 3 kids. I've tried/ and still trying.

Maybe, and I don't know, but just maybe... I feel like we human beings are stronger than a virus.
I question everything.

 

[Circa]

Seaturtle, can you please tell me the source for this?

I have googled, but don´t find anything. Was it from an article?
Hopefully not a youtube video!

Seriously, this is worrisome and would like to know if it is real or not.

Thanks!

Who are You? You entered late, you might be an alter ego and all... But what Is your agenda?

 

[JurDocDuLac]

Michael Levitt has been shouting from the rooftops since March and April that he believes that herd immunity is closer to 20 to 30% based upon what he observed on the Princess Cruise Line and various countries. Some areas such as NY city can definitely be more based upon population density and other factors. Bottom line is herd immunity does not appear to require the 60 to 70% that the experts believed.

Research suggests New York City may have reached coronavirus herd immunity threshold

This study about NYC and Chicago suggests about 30% for localized (city-wide) community immunity, noting the importance of "peak" events (super-spreading dynamics). No mention if schools are super-spreaders, but but probably they fit in the 30% range. Says second waves in those affected regions are mild and can be handled with masks and distancing.

A new study by researchers at University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign and Brookhaven National Laboratory and published on the preprint server medRxiv* in July 2020 discusses the effect of a factor called persistent contact heterogeneity on the final epidemic size of COVID-19. The researchers say that using estimates based on this measure reduces the herd immunity threshold (HIT) and suggests that the worst-affected areas, such as New York City (NYC), are almost at this threshold, meaning that they will not be sources of spread to other areas

https://www.news-medical.net/news/2...ched-coronavirus-herd-immunity-threshold.aspx



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[Circa]

I don't believe that Circa is saying that these companies are conspiring or that the government is conspiring. He's saying he's skeptical of how quickly this vaccine is being developed and not following the standard testing process. I find it perfectly reasonable to be a bit skeptical and choosing to not be an early adopter.

I don't know if Circa is saying he won't ever take the vaccine or if he just wants to wait and let the dust settle from the early adopters.

Conspire to keep It real in my introduction seems to bother people that are anti-real.

 

[Legacy]

When Trump mandated that Covid case reporting be made through a portal with HHS TeleTracking portal and stop reporting to the CDC’s long-standing National Healthcare Safety Network in two days, those who didn't would not comply would not receive the anti-viral remdesivir, which is administered IV to critically ill patients. Clinical trials need to confirm the reported lowering death rates. NIH has established guidelines for its use.

HHS struck a deal with Gilead, the only manufacturer in the U.S., to secure 500,000 additional treatment courses of remdesivir that will be distributed during the months of July, August and September.There is a shortage of the med. That is the total amount Gilead can manufacture..

Gilead negotiated aa price of $3100 to treat a typical Covid patient. The Institute for Clinical and Economic Review estimates a fair price for the drug at $310. HHS will control the distribution only and those with private insurance will pay that negotiated price. If the fed gov wanted to instiute a law (28 U.S.C. 1498) allows federal agencies to take control of industry owned patents using a tool known as government patent use in an emergency for fair pricing of a drug.

Through TeleTracking states are expected to report daily to the federal government how many beds they have, the number occupied and the availability of intensive care beds. Under the new system, the Department of Health and Human Services aggregates the information at a state level and shares a daily spreadsheet of the information that has been reported — gaps and all. Federal assistance is measured based on accurate reporting.

Some hospitals who had not set up ways to report through the TeleTracking portal and inaccuracies and outdated information that are plaguing the system potentially impacting fed assistance. The National Governors Association called for a policy change. Missouri, for instance, committed to a buildout on a computer system and week able to report 99% of their required data to the CDC. With the new reporting system 82% of their data was being reported by the HHS.

TeleTracking is a private company and the cost of the contract has not been disclosed.

COVID-19 Hospital Data System That Bypasses CDC Plagued By Delays, Inaccuracies (NPR)

U.S. hospitals scramble to adopt new HHS coronavirus data system, some states see ‘data blackout’
(CNBC, JUL 22 2020)

 

[Circa]

Research suggests New York City may have reached coronavirus herd immunity threshold

This study about NYC and Chicago suggests about 30% for localized (city-wide) community immunity, noting the importance of "peak" events (super-spreading dynamics). No mention if schools are super-spreaders, but but probably they fit in the 30% range. Says second waves in those affected regions are mild and can be handled with masks and distancing.

A new study by researchers at University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign and Brookhaven National Laboratory and published on the preprint server medRxiv* in July 2020 discusses the effect of a factor called persistent contact heterogeneity on the final epidemic size of COVID-19. The researchers say that using estimates based on this measure reduces the herd immunity threshold (HIT) and suggests that the worst-affected areas, such as New York City (NYC), are almost at this threshold, meaning that they will not be sources of spread to other areas

https://www.news-medical.net/news/2...ched-coronavirus-herd-immunity-threshold.aspx



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She seems like an Ideal candidate to debate a virus, Gynecologist.

Suggests, and almost? This seems real. Thank YOU! I appreciate all the information.

 

[Irish#1]

She seems like an Ideal candidate to debate a virus, Gynecologist.

Suggests, and almost? This seems real. Thank YOU! I appreciate all the information.

Being a doctor, she’s closer to credible than most of us, but your point is made. Yet you dismiss her and want us to believe you when you tell us you walked around some hospitals, talked to a few people and tell us your unscientific poll is proof? Do you see the hypocrisy?

 

[JurDocDuLac]

Being a doctor, she’s closer to credible than most of us...

She was reporting on a study by researchers at University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign and Brookhaven National Laboratory.

Here it is:
Journal reference:
• Tkachenko, A. V. et al. (2020). Persistent Heterogeneity Not Short-Term Overdispersion Determines Herd Immunity To COVID-19. medRxiv preprint. doi:*https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.07.26....xiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.26.20162420v1

https://www.news-medical.net/news/2...ched-coronavirus-herd-immunity-threshold.aspx

 

[notredomer23]

Being a doctor, she’s closer to credible than most of us, but your point is made. Yet you dismiss her and want us to believe you when you tell us you walked around some hospitals, talked to a few people and tell us your unscientific poll is proof? Do you see the hypocrisy?

You ever hear of youtube? He watches it. Definitely more credible than someone who went to Medical school.

 

[Circa]

Being a doctor, she’s closer to credible than most of us, but your point is made. Yet you dismiss her and want us to believe you when you tell us you walked around some hospitals, talked to a few people and tell us your unscientific poll is proof? Do you see the hypocrisy?

Ya got me. I never said Proof! I told you all l what I did. I'll include that as an 'I know I don't know' story. I don't believe in the msm, and I'm pretty sure my story hasn't deflected in theory to that fact.


Look at us!...??
Trying to argue about things we really don't understand. You and others are questioning me about my life experience as If I'm just telling fibs to get attention, I hate attention.(on the human level) I really like to know facts that are destroying our democracy.... .
Is this what reality for all of us has become? LOL. I doubt It. But, an easy question.
I'm not sitting around thinking up news stories that will make all of my favorite fellow Irish fans hate me.
I want you to like me. Honestly.
It's scientific and a fact that people need to be wanted and liked.... (I could go all in deep, but....)

You and everyone else agreeing with everything I say would seem childish and redundant, It would be weird.

Everyone wants accepted. I'm not putting my take on a news source on here just to befuddle the algorithm.....

I see what you mean, but I also feel like people are getting too much of their own feelings from likes and dislikes/ Facebook/Twitter... and please don't say another SM site just to try to top the basic level of human interaction these days... I understand the younger generation's sources too... .

BTW. Just how many Dr's do we have on here? How many years did you take on learning the human body compared to the pharmaceutical drugs that we are dying from every day?

I'm not saying anyone else Is wrong, I'm saying the truth hasn't been shown... And We (It's a stretch) all know It... If we look at our state.

I'll go ahead and give my best friend a 1 up. 'I know I don't know' story.


BTW, She Is a Gynecologist should have been put int Italics.... But, She IS!

At the lowest level of our humanity,... I'm just wanting to get to a point that we all know. What,... Is the remaining idea..

 

[Circa]

You ever hear of youtube? He watches it. Definitely more credible than someone who went to Medical school.

Italics?

 

[Circa]

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[Irish#1]

Look at us!... Trying to argue about things we really don't understand. You and others are questioning me about my life experience as If I'm just telling fibs to get attention, I hate attention.(on the human level) I like to know.
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lol.......No, that's far from the truth. you trying to get attention never crossed my mind, but maybe you should ask yourself why you wrote the bolded statement.

My point is this. The doctor may be a gynecologist and not a Virologists, but she did get training in the human anatomy, diseases, treatments, etc. before specializing. Going by what you've posted previously about polling people in hospitals your poll wasn't even conducted with any guidelines or training on polling so which one of you is closer to being an expert in each of these?

Not being a hater, just trying to show the flawed logic.

 

[Circa]

lol.......No, that's far from the truth. you trying to get attention never crossed my mind, but maybe you should ask yourself why you wrote the bolded statement.

My point is this. The doctor may be a gynecologist and not a Virologists, but she did get training in the human anatomy, diseases, treatments, etc. before specializing. Going by what you've posted previously about polling people in hospitals your poll wasn't even conducted with any guidelines or training on polling so which one of you is closer to being an expert in each of these?

Not being a hater, just trying to show the flawed logic.

Ok, that's fair. So why do you think i throw things out into this media?

I wrote that bolded statement for my own feelings. I wrote It at first as anyone else writes. As I read through what I posted, I know (from the recent past) that the bolded would be another ticky tack situation that I was going to have to disparage. It's exhausting.




Flawed Logic? In what terms?


There are thousands of DRs that have have put the footwork in. I'm pretty sure your not wanting to see all sides of the situation that medical Dr's are telling/screaming to us all.



P.S. Mr/Mrs 23, YouTube has Dr's that are verifiable. and they talk from both sides of the isle.

 

[Circa]

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[Irish#1]

Flawed Logic? In what terms?

I just spelled it out for you. You take an ad hoc stroll in a hospital(s) ask a few people about COVID, then say we should believe what you tell us as proof, but you dismiss what a trained medical professional tells us.

I'm pretty sure your not wanting to see all sides of the situation that medical Dr's are telling/screaming to us all.

OK

 

[JurDocDuLac]

I believe Irishize mentioned this about t-calls and C-19 immunity, so SIAP but more info.

Common colds may have left some people's immune systems with a leg up in fighting the new coronavirus
In our immune systems,*T cells*identify infected cells, kill them, and tell B cells how to create new antibodies.* Research has found that people who've never had the new coronavirus still have T cells that*can identify and react to it.* That may be because those people were previously exposed to other coronaviruses — those that cause common colds — and their T cells remember. That preexisting immunological memory may help explain why some people's COVID-19 cases remain so mild.
https://www.businessinsider.com/cor...-memory-t-cells-common-colds-2020-8?r=MX&IR=T

P.S. - Circa, before you beach that Aylin Woodward is a biological anthropologist (like the past reporter "only" being a gynecologist), here are the two research articles she is talking about:

Selective and cross-reactive SARS-CoV-2 T cell epitopes in unexposed humans https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/08/04/science.abd3871

Targets of T Cell Responses to SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus in Humans with COVID-19 Disease and Unexposed Individuals https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)30610-3

Journalists report other peoples´ work, that´s kinda how "the media" works.

 

[Irishize]

I believe Irishize mentioned this about t-calls and C-19 immunity, so SIAP but more info.

Common colds may have left some people's immune systems with a leg up in fighting the new coronavirus
In our immune systems,*T cells*identify infected cells, kill them, and tell B cells how to create new antibodies.* Research has found that people who've never had the new coronavirus still have T cells that*can identify and react to it.* That may be because those people were previously exposed to other coronaviruses — those that cause common colds — and their T cells remember. That preexisting immunological memory may help explain why some people's COVID-19 cases remain so mild.
https://www.businessinsider.com/cor...-memory-t-cells-common-colds-2020-8?r=MX&IR=T

P.S. - Circa, before you beach that Aylin Woodward is a biological anthropologist (like the past reporter "only" being a gynecologist), here are the two research articles she is talking about:

Selective and cross-reactive SARS-CoV-2 T cell epitopes in unexposed humans https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/08/04/science.abd3871

Targets of T Cell Responses to SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus in Humans with COVID-19 Disease and Unexposed Individuals https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)30610-3

Journalists report other peoples´ work, that´s kinda how "the media" works.

Thank you for posting that! It explains what I couldn’t properly do in my earlier posts on the subject. I hope we find out that herd immunity can in fact be obtained w/ as low as 20% but we’ll have to wait for the data and that’s one thing American’s hate...waiting.

 

[Circa]

I just spelled it out for you. You take an ad hoc stroll in a hospital(s) ask a few people about COVID, then say we should believe what you tell us as proof, but you dismiss what a trained medical professional tells us.



OK

I know I didn't say, you have to believe me. I told you what I did,.. and to add on to that, I explained why, and how we did it.
It was more of an experiment that my son enjoyed the process of, he's 13.
It's something we enjoyed.
Curiosity and the search for some real truth through the vague fog of politics... Isn't wrong... Right?
All I was trying to say was, 'in my opinion' the way the MSM Is reporting the nature of the virus, and It's load on hospitals seemed and seems a bit off. Again, It's just my opinion.

I'm no Dr. or Scientist/Virologist, obviously.
I wasn't trying to imply the virus doesn't exist or everyone should stop worrying about their family.

I think... That the msm will take anyone who reports what they want to hear, and drum it up. What doesn't fit the narrative they have a drum that beats into the conspiratorial side.

To sum it all up. It's odd! I hope we're all not screwed.

 

[SonofOahu]

Well, Hawaii had it under control and then people got complacent. Now we're watching the numbers rise. The amount of asymptomatic positives I'm seeing is crazy. About 3/4 of our positive staff have been discovered due to large testing, not because they went in for symptoms.

The new DHS tracking system is just stupid and unorganized. I mean, par for the course for this administration. The way these criminals prevented organized and structured testing is beyond enraging.

Side note, why the hell has Circa not been permabanned yet? He brings no value to any discussions, anywhere. Go ahead and neg-rep this, too, bruh.

 

[Circa]

Well, Hawaii had it under control and then people got complacent. Now we're watching the numbers rise. The amount of asymptomatic positives I'm seeing is crazy. About 3/4 of our positive staff have been discovered due to large testing, not because they went in for symptoms.

The new DHS tracking system is just stupid and unorganized. I mean, par for the course for this administration. The way these criminals prevented organized and structured testing is beyond enraging.

Side note, why the hell has Circa not been permabanned yet? He brings no value to any discussions, anywhere. Go ahead and neg-rep this, too, bruh.

Only In today's world would someone want to ban another poster because in Their opinion the poster has nothing to add to their enlightenment... Maybe I'm asking questions and responding to them in an informational way(for me) so I can learn more about the said subject.
I do want to know what others think on a board filled with intelligent posters. (maybe I'm not, but that too is an opinion)
I don't personally attack others like you just personally attacked me. I don't tell people they are wrong for having an opinion as you just did to me. I try to make my statements civil and open.
If you hate my honest discussion on a level that needs silenced, than why don't you personally silence me. But, all i ask is It to be done respectfully.
This cancel Culture movement Is very weird. I honestly can't believe on this board we have people trying to silence opinions.
I might be wrong with my opinion. I have never stated anything that I'm unwilling to retract.

Edit. I have never neg repped anyone that didn't neg me first. (about a post they didn't understand) Please. and to add to that I won't neg people that have an honest/open discussion.

GO IRISH!