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The initial antibody testing results is the best news in this pandemic in awhile.
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Best and scariest at the same time. Essentially shows anyone can infect anyone and effectively have a chain of many links with zero or little symptoms until it preys on someone elderly or with preexisting conditions. Should action upon this data to formulate a new plan to protect the vulnerable while reopening.
 
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CDC just updated their list of symptoms. Chills, cough, sore throat, headache, and loss of taste/ appetite describes exactly a mysterious illness that knocked me out during December and January. Sickest I've ever been; could barely eat, and ended up losing nearly 20 pounds before I recovered.

So I apparently had the 'Rona before anyone knew what it was. Hoping this means that my family has all been exposed and developed antibodies by this point.
 
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Whiskeyjack said:
CDC just updated their list of symptoms. Chills, cough, sore throat, headache, and loss of taste/ appetite describes exactly a mysterious illness that knocked me out during December and January. Sickest I've ever been; could barely eat, and ended up losing nearly 20 pounds before I recovered.

So I apparently had the 'Rona before anyone knew what it was. Hoping this means that my family has all been exposed and developed antibodies by this point.
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A good buddy got hit with something harsh like that too when we met up in late Jan in Vegas. Ruined much of the trip. He swears he had it too
 
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Coronavirus in Babies and Kids (Johns Hopkins)

A flu vaccine, a negative Flu test, and Tamiflu not working might indicate it's not influenza.

On another note, if COVID-19 returns in the fall with seasonal influenza, do you think the federal response will be different? Or will states be banding together expecting more of the same? If so, will the states with lower infection rates now be more susceptible? Should we just let this cycle through like the flu? Will some states just not shutdown their economies?

Could Azar, Fauci and Birks be fired and replaced with "acting" heads?
 
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Legacy said:
Coronavirus in Babies and Kids (Johns Hopkins)

A flu vaccine, a negative Flu test, and Tamiflu not working might indicate it's not influenza.

On another note, if COVID-19 returns in the fall with seasonal influenza, do you think the federal response will be different? Or will states be banding together expecting more of the same? If so, will the states with lower infection rates be more susceptible?

Could Azar, Fauci and Birks be fired and replaced with "acting" heads?
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Sounds like Covid is here to stay much like the flu so once a vaccine is in place and respirators are in place one would think our lives with it will look much like how we handle flu,... I hope.
 
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Cuomo updated the numbers on the antibody study. 14.9% statewide, 24.7% in the city.
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In the city that would be approximately 2.1 million infections.

Currently they state they are at a death rate of 7.679374999999999 (12,287 confirmed deaths in 160k cases)

If you apply that same rate to 2.1 mil that would be 161,267 deaths.

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In the city that would be approximately 2.1 million infections.

Currently they state they are at a death rate of 7.679374999999999 (12,287 confirmed deaths in 160k cases)

If you apply that same rate to 2.1 mil that would be 161,267 deaths.

Thoughts anyone?
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I'm not following. That death total number remains the same. 2.1MM infections sounds about right. Tons of people couldn't get tested because symptoms were mild and then you have a massive amount of asymptomatic. It would make the death rate 0.58%, still much deadlier than the flu, but also significantly less deadly than we've been told.
 
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goldandblue said:
In the city that would be approximately 2.1 million infections.

Currently they state they are at a death rate of 7.679374999999999 (12,287 confirmed deaths in 160k cases)

If you apply that same rate to 2.1 mil that would be 161,267 deaths.

Thoughts anyone?
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So either you have a bunch of people who are going to get really sick in the near term OR the death rate is wrong, because your denominator isn't 160,000 cases, its 2,100,000 cases. I think the later is more logical.

If you also assume the premise that those who are most susceptible to infection and death (those who are immuno-compromised - elderly, etc.) are falling ill earlier in the curve, then you would see the death rate further decline over time as those who are better equipped to fight off the virus get sick later and recover. I.e. the death rate is disproportionately high on the front side of the curve because the most at-risk population represent a greater portion of the ill.
 
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ACamp1900 said:
Sounds like Covid is here to stay much like the flu so once a vaccine is in place and respirators are in place one would think our lives with it will look much like how we handle flu,... I hope.
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I wouldn’t count on a vaccine in the next few years or maybe ever. If there have truly been 30+ mutations identified, one vaccine isn’t going to prevent them all. I know it’s heresy to compare it to influenza but may a vaccine that doesn’t target the exact mutation would at least lessen the impact of COVID.
 
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I had this sent to me by a buddy who has been in the medical field for over twenty years. Video is over an hour, but worth the watch. These two doctors say data we now have on Covid does not support our current shelter in place measures. The thing that struct me as interesting and concerning is when they discuss how we are weakening our immune system by sheltering in place and our bodies might not be prepared to fight like they should be once released back in the world. I know my body is not as strong as it was two months ago.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/watch-...e-a-statistically-different-number-of-deaths/
 
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yankeehater said:
I had this sent to me by a buddy who has been in the medical field for over twenty years. Video is over an hour, but worth the watch. These two doctors say data we now have on Covid does not support our current shelter in place measures. The thing that struct me as interesting and concerning is when they discuss how we are weakening our immune system by sheltering in place and our bodies might not be prepared to fight like they should be once released back in the world. I know my body is not as strong as it was two months ago.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/watch-...e-a-statistically-different-number-of-deaths/
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Multiple articles suggest this.
 
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yankeehater said:
I had this sent to me by a buddy who has been in the medical field for over twenty years. Video is over an hour, but worth the watch. These two doctors say data we now have on Covid does not support our current shelter in place measures. The thing that struct me as interesting and concerning is when they discuss how we are weakening our immune system by sheltering in place and our bodies might not be prepared to fight like they should be once released back in the world. I know my body is not as strong as it was two months ago.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/watch-...e-a-statistically-different-number-of-deaths/
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That article says that the 2 doctors who conducted that study, "specifically noted that the difference in the number of deaths between Sweden, with limited restrictions, and Norway, which locked down, is not statistically significant."
"Lockdown versus non-lockdown did not produce a statistically different number of deaths. That is the bottom line," said Erickson.

I did a quick search on Johns Hopkins Website, which is a major source being used by the government and is the most credible source of data collection on Covid 19that I've come across.

Sweden (Limited restrictions)
Total cases of Covid: 18,926
Deaths : 2,274
Fatality rate : 12%

Norway (Locked Down)
Total cases of Covid: 7,554
Deaths : 205
Fatality rate : 2.7%

That fatality rate in Sweden is high. Especially considering that it's an absolute unknown if Covid-19 cases develop any kind of immunity. These doctors and Sweden are banking on that. No thanks. I don't want to be in that science experiment.

They own 7 urgent healthcare facilities. I wonder why they came to that conclusion? I don't know but those doctors look like a couple of mafia members.
I'm going to continue to get my data from experts and scientists. Certainly not a couple of "wise guy" doctors who own 7 urgent care facilities.
 
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I'm so glad you found this! I read this right after my earlier post . The "this is complete bulllshit alarm rang pretty fast". As Soon as I saw the photo of the good doctors and the mention of them owning 7 healthcare facilities in the first few sentences.
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I find it ironic people are questioning the financial motives of these two doctors yet I do not hear the same of Dr. Fauci.

All I know is these doctors are echoing what Hoag, Kaiser and St. Josephs are here in California. They are making the rounds on local media imploring for people to bring in their sick family members. Emergency rooms and hospitals are empty. They are seeing victims of stroke and heart attack 3 and 4 days after the initial incident. By then they are stating it is too late. The window for corrective action has all but passed. I am glad these doctors spoke up because one of the local news show interviewed a nurse and they had to hide her identify for fear of reprisal. All she did was say they were losing their jobs because one wing at her hospital is now completely dark.

My cousin works in the medical industry in Colorado. Her duties take her throughout three different counties. They are experiencing the same there. She has also been outspoken about her beliefs and the overreaction. I called her the day of our shutdown out here. She told me this would not greatly affect 99% of the population. It will affect the elderly, those with compromised immune systems and the obese. People with obesity tend to have underlying conditions like diabetes, hypertension and heart disease. She advised me to load up on vitamin C, Zinc and Melatonin like you should every flu season.

Even in the hardest hit area, NYC, the numbers did not come close to rising to the levels once first predicted. Most of the other hotspots were because the virus infiltrated assisted living facilities which all the experts said would be the most vulnerable people. Not sure why the Governors of NY, NJ and Cali allowed Covid positive patients back into their assisted living facilities, but that conversation is probably best in another forum.
 
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The issue is the video is peppered with absolute falsehoods. Like there are arguements the shutdown is impacting access to care (it seems that the young have mortality improvement because trauma is way way down) but time sensitive things that don't scream time sensitive to john Q public like chest pain or difficulty moving an arm gets missed. The thing is patients with stroke/MI tend to be older with comorbidities etc.
 
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arahop said:
That article says that the 2 doctors who conducted that study, "specifically noted that the difference in the number of deaths between Sweden, with limited restrictions, and Norway, which locked down, is not statistically significant."
"Lockdown versus non-lockdown did not produce a statistically different number of deaths. That is the bottom line," said Erickson.

I did a quick search on Johns Hopkins Website, which is a major source being used by the government and is the most credible source of data collection on Covid 19that I've come across.

Sweden (Limited restrictions)
Total cases of Covid: 18,926
Deaths : 2,274
Fatality rate : 12%

Norway (Locked Down)
Total cases of Covid: 7,554
Deaths : 205
Fatality rate : 2.7%

That fatality rate in Sweden is high. Especially considering that it's an absolute unknown if Covid-19 cases develop any kind of immunity. These doctors and Sweden are banking on that. No thanks. I don't want to be in that science experiment.

They own 7 urgent healthcare facilities. I wonder why they came to that conclusion? I don't know but those doctors look like a couple of mafia members.
I'm going to continue to get my data from experts and scientists. Certainly not a couple of "wise guy" doctors who own 7 urgent care facilities.
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Those 2 yahoos may face professional harm for the straight malpractice committed in their youtube video. https://www.acep.org/corona/COVID-1...-joint-statement-on-physician-misinformation/
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arahop said:
I'm so glad you found this! I read this right after my earlier post . The "this is complete bulllshit alarm rang pretty fast". As Soon as I saw the photo of the good doctors and the mention of them owning 7 healthcare facilities in the first few sentences.
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Let's not let things like facts, statistics, and science get in the way of some good old fashioned feels.
 
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Let's not let things like facts, statistics, and science get in the way of some good old fashioned feels.
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I’m not going to argue the merits of lockdown vs no lockdown especially in the name of Sweden because they have very unique demographics that allow them to do their method (one example is 50% of Sweden lives alone). But it’s also important we operate with full stats and facts, as you said, and the stats for Sweden don’t really allow any comparisons because they only test the most severe cases. Norway has conducted double the tests. Sweden’s health chief has said approximately 30% of Stockholm has been infected. That’s 350K people. If all those deaths were in Stockholm, which they weren’t, but for easy math purposes we will say they were, that brings the death rate to 0.57%. Still very high! But nowhere near as deadly as speculated and what the current stats portray.. Coincidentally, NYC if that antibody test was accurate would have had a death rate of exactly 0.57%.
 
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I'm already kicking myself for bothering to post this but it felt to me to be one sort of testing the wind of America just now. I read the story about the lady physician who apparently killed herself in (supposed) mentally breaking over the stress of her job in the NYC emergency ward. Firstly, I see no reason to disbelieve that this can happen. People faced with horrible unrelenting negative circumstances almost MUST have breaking points. This in no way demeans this doctor in my eyes. There seem to be many (I must refer to them as utterly unknowledgeable jerks who have never done anything themselves like she was faced with) morons who are criticizing her for "weakness." WAY off base, and completely beyond my ken as to why they are motivated to make these unfeeling comments. But that's not my point here.

After reading the article which has no overtly political commentary in it, I felt that maybe reading the comments (there were over a thousand) might be a simple glimpse of America just now. So I read a couple of hundred (maybe more, I didn't keep count.) The majority of those remarks were THANK GOODNESS simple expressions of praise for the doctor's service and condolences to the family --- if they were all like that I'd have come away with a pretty good feeling about where we're at. But a rather large number of people engaged in denial and conspiracy --- almost as if they were programmed to disbelieve anything in the article. For this sort of article that was a bit disturbing. Worse than that (for me) there were around three dozen comments which got overtly (name-mentioning) political. None of them had any defensible connectivity to the article whether a "right" or a "left" remark. For a while as I read, none of these were left-leaning idiot remarks, but ultimately I stayed at it and found three. There were twenty some right-leaning crazy comments (accusing every well-known blue politician of being behind this, or accusing this to be an anti-Trump plot --- even though no one anywhere had mentioned him about anything.)

ALL of that is sick. In my opinion, it is the outward sign of a sickness much more threatening to our country than the coronavirus (and that's saying a lot.) To those who'd object that these are just a couple dozen morons on the internet, I'd say that they are rather an iceberg tip of many tens of thousands of deranged citizens who can no longer process anything without a weird political lens to color it. ... and, no, I don't believe that it has always been this way.
 
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