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94% of patients hospitalized in New York in the Northwell Health system (5700 patients) were obese, had hypertension, or diabetes.

Source: https://time.com/5825485/coronavirus-risk-factors/

I'm sure many were actually obese, but the BMI has some serious flaws as a measure of health. It's just a calculation using height and weight. It doesn't take body composition into account nor bone density. I'm not tall, so even when my body-fat was under 10% I was "obese" because of my build. BMI sucks.
 

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I read this article a couple days ago. It is well written and makes great observations.

One of the most interesting aspects of COVID 19 is the myriad of presentations of the virus. There are now reports and case series outlining nearly every organ system with some percentage of involvement, even to the extent of being the chief complaint when visiting an office or ED. Pneumonia, cardiomyopathy, arrhythmias, headaches, seizures, conjunctivitis, rashes, GI symptoms, kidney failure, hepatitis, etc. Literally every major organ system is listed with potential involvement when you look at the literature.

There are a few key things to consider with the above in mind:
1) It is well known the ACE2 receptor is found on cells throughout the epithelial lining of the respiratory tract. This is the main receptor the virus attaches to and enter through to infect human cells. This receptor also happens to be ubiquitous on vasculature throughout the body. This is a pretty terrifying feature of this virus. It means it can literally attach and infect cells lining the blood vessels in any organ of the body.
2) Interestingly, elevated D-dimer (a marker of blood clotting) has been shown to have the single highest odds ratio of death among COVID patients presenting to the ED. Higher than hypoxia. Higher than any blood count, etc.
3) So you have ubiquitous receptors all throughout the body in blood vessels and known significant mortality in patients with elevated markers of increased blood clotting. There is obviously something more to this virus than a respiratory infection, even one as significant as ARDs.
4) Add to this the idea of a "cytokine storm" in critically ill patients. The basic understanding here is the body's immune system goes into hyperdrive, pumping out pro-inflammatory mediators throughout the body without much regulatory counter measures. Some believe this is causing more damage than the virus itself. Interestingly, there is literature that confirms higher IL-6 levels and lower lymphocyte levels at baseline in elderly adults. IL-6 is one of the main pro-inflammatory cytokines. Lymphocytes are critical in both humoral and innate immune responses to viruses. Lymphocytopenia has been shown to have a high odds ratio of death in initial studies as well (just not as high as elevated d-dimer). These factors certainly have some role in the relative morbidity and mortality of the elderly with this virus. Especially given the early positive data on monoclonal antibodies to IL6 such as tocilizumab.
5) So you have this virus which can attach to the lining of any blood vessel, which also likely triggers an aggressive local and systemic immune response. This environment is likely very pro-thrombotic. Diffuse intravascular coagulation (DIC) has similar features - its something found in patients with overwhelming sepsis. But it appears patients with COVID are not bleeding, just clotting. DIC patients have both. I can't say why this is, but the diffuse clotting appears to be a very legitimate feature of severe COVID and likely the driving force (along with cytokine storm) behind the multiorgan failure you get at end stage COVID
6) Confounding all this is previous literature on similar viruses such as MERs and SARs1. They didn't appear to behave similarly. But naturally a coronavirus with similar features, at least at surface level, has been treated similarly by physicians because we don't know any better...yet. We are now being flooded with literature, data, and studies daily. It is difficult to analyze and synthesize all this information in real time. But I will say there seems to be a shift in the treatment paradigm for this disease over the last couple weeks.

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Brilliant. What could go wrong.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">He claims he didn’t know about it. <a href="https://t.co/qCJbxqwRh1">https://t.co/qCJbxqwRh1</a></p>— Brit Hume (@brithume) <a href="https://twitter.com/brithume/status/1253138665955565569?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 23, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This is an unfair attack, but I wouldn't expect any less from a NewsCorp rag. It's probably at the State Department of Health level that would be responsible for actually making that decision.

They're in the Incident Command System, you have sections to plan out that sort of thing.
 

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Brilliant. What could go wrong.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">He claims he didn’t know about it. <a href="https://t.co/qCJbxqwRh1">https://t.co/qCJbxqwRh1</a></p>— Brit Hume (@brithume) <a href="https://twitter.com/brithume/status/1253138665955565569?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 23, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Not that long ago people were applauding his work during the pandemic.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So… The top recipient of COVID small business relief is a real estate investment firm run by a major Trump donor who hired two extremely well connected Trump lobbyists <a href="https://t.co/QWtxsxPwav">https://t.co/QWtxsxPwav</a></p>— Sam Stein (@samstein) <a href="https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1253379115463385088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 23, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Lots of money being returned. On the local news it was mentioned that Emmis Broadcasting (publicly traded company) had applied and received funds that they returned. Emmis owns radio stations and operates quite a few for other owners. It also mentioned a coal and gas extraction firm, Hallador Energy based in Terre Haute with $21M in revenue and about 800 employees. Ruth Chris is also returning money. The original bill should have been more specific in which small businesses (Mom & Pop) get assistance first.
 

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Waiting for the first report of some idiot injecting themselves with disinfectants.

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Waiting for the first report of some idiot injecting themselves with disinfectants.

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he'sjust being hopeful for treatment!

With UV talk I wonder if hes a 5G deep state truther.
 

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Well folks, two weeks ago we here at my retirement village/hotel had our first resident test positive for coronavirus19. It was handled quietly, and, with our social distancing inside "programs", has (to all appearances) stopped right there.

The average age here is probably on the high side of 80 so this is a big deal for us. Almost by definition, the one infection we had came in from the "outside" and through someone who DIDN'T practice social distancing.

But, what-the-he!l, we're just a bunch of elders who've passed their point of usefulness ......... and to those of you who do practice the safety precautions: thank you. Sincerely. Bless you.
 

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Well, he definitely supported QAnon back in the day (not sure if they're still a thing). Dude is a major league conspiracy theorist.

To quote himself - "'I'm like a person who has a good you-know-what"

Anytime a person forgets the word brain and then touts their mental prowess, you have to take their word that they are bigly smart.
 

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Well folks, two weeks ago we here at my retirement village/hotel had our first resident test positive for coronavirus19. It was handled quietly, and, with our social distancing inside "programs", has (to all appearances) stopped right there.

The average age here is probably on the high side of 80 so this is a big deal for us. Almost by definition, the one infection we had came in from the "outside" and through someone who DIDN'T practice social distancing.

But, what-the-he!l, we're just a bunch of elders who've passed their point of usefulness ......... and to those of you who do practice the safety precautions: thank you. Sincerely. Bless you.

Mike,
I’m glad you are well and I assure you most aren’t willing to accept any loss of life due to whatever age you may be despite what some of the ignorant think. I actually am disgusted with some of the comments on here indicating otherwise. Please stay safe and keep up the insightful posts on Irish football.
 

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Mike,
I’m glad you are well and I assure you most aren’t willing to accept any loss of life due to whatever age you may be despite what some of the ignorant think. I actually am disgusted with some of the comments on here indicating otherwise. Please stay safe and keep up the insightful posts on Irish football.

Agreed. More ignorant people on here than I thought. Still a lot of good guys on here though
 

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Anyone else inject themselves with Lysol and snort hand sanitizer? I feel...weird. At least I'm COVID neg. though

Dr. Birx's reaction when he said that was classic. It's like a 300 pounder walking the beach in a.G-String. You just cannot look away.
 
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Dr. Birx's reaction when he said that was classic. It's like a 300 pounder walking the beach in a.G-String. You just cannot look away.

I think her "blinking" was Morse code for "Take me now Lord!".

Cheers and Go Irish!!
 

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Well folks, two weeks ago we here at my retirement village/hotel had our first resident test positive for coronavirus19. It was handled quietly, and, with our social distancing inside "programs", has (to all appearances) stopped right there.

The average age here is probably on the high side of 80 so this is a big deal for us. Almost by definition, the one infection we had came in from the "outside" and through someone who DIDN'T practice social distancing.

But, what-the-he!l, we're just a bunch of elders who've passed their point of usefulness ......... and to those of you who do practice the safety precautions: thank you. Sincerely. Bless you.

Glad to hear that you and your fellow residents situation has resolved. It's a big deal for those of us who have gotten to know you and appreciate your insight. We remain your informal audience and appreciate each resident's community of family and friends. Stay safe.
 

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I'm guessing in January. That being said, the flu season was really bad, and just because your test came back negative, that doesn't guarantee that you didn't have it (this applies to flu as well as COVID.)

I was texting with a friend and she said that they tested a patient 4x with the first three tests coming back negative, and the fourth finally showing positive. One thing with this wide-testing initiative is not just the shortage of supplies, it's the shortage of competent clinicians to do the testing.

These tests almost look like you're going to brain someone, and it doesn't feel pleasant. Anyone who is not a seasoned pro at doing the NP swab is probably going to have a fair amount of false negatives.

I don't think people appreciate this and think they are just spitting in a 23&Me type kit. We aren't talking two knuckles deep here - we are talking how the hell is Ron Jeremy stuffing it all in there. Normal people aren't going to sign up for multiple experiences unless they have to.
 

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Well folks, two weeks ago we here at my retirement village/hotel had our first resident test positive for coronavirus19. It was handled quietly, and, with our social distancing inside "programs", has (to all appearances) stopped right there.

The average age here is probably on the high side of 80 so this is a big deal for us. Almost by definition, the one infection we had came in from the "outside" and through someone who DIDN'T practice social distancing.

But, what-the-he!l, we're just a bunch of elders who've passed their point of usefulness ......... and to those of you who do practice the safety precautions: thank you. Sincerely. Bless you.

Glad you are fine and good to hear common sense approach within a high risk community can nip it in the bud!
 

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Anyone else inject themselves with Lysol and snort hand sanitizer? I feel...weird. At least I'm COVID neg. though

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I don't think people appreciate this and think they are just spitting in a 23&Me type kit. We aren't talking two knuckles deep here - we are talking how the hell is Ron Jeremy stuffing it all in there. Normal people aren't going to sign up for multiple experiences unless they have to.

Plus how often is an MA applying it vs an RN? Sign me up for the latter to administer. The one w/ the critical thinking skills vs the one w/ a more task oriented position. Most GP or IM offices hire MAs &/or LPNs to save money yet still do the job of an RN.
 

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You know this is going to happen...

States that have massive unfunded pension obligations all having the COVID-19 the worst isn’t a coincidence. Guessing they keep the states shut down as long as possible and then point to the damage caused to justify bailouts, including the unrelated pensions. Chicago is already attempting this.
 

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You know this is going to happen...

States that have massive unfunded pension obligations all having the COVID-19 the worst isn’t a coincidence. Guessing they keep the states shut down as long as possible and then point to the damage caused to justify bailouts, including the unrelated pensions. Chicago is already attempting this.

Hah - I was just having this conversation with someone about IL; Pritzker extends the shutdown for another month because "the peak has not arrived" but are going to begin allowing elective surgeries. Allowing elective surgeries would use up hospital resources you'd think could be conserved to handle the peak. I'm not saying any one of the ideas is wrong, but taken together it doesn't quite make sense. In reality, its more control for the Gov. & will allow for a bigger bailout check that will inevitably be used to fund some of those obligations.
 

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I don't think people appreciate this and think they are just spitting in a 23&Me type kit. We aren't talking two knuckles deep here - we are talking how the hell is Ron Jeremy stuffing it all in there. Normal people aren't going to sign up for multiple experiences unless they have to.

Interim Guidelines for Collecting, Handling, and Testing Clinical Specimens from Persons for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

Nasopharyngeal (NP) swab/oropharyngeal (OP) swab (about 4" in)

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GI Symptoms
As has been mentioned, SARS-CoV-2 invades cells throughout the body. A couple of recent studies document the coronavirus in stool samples causing GI symptoms of diarrhea, nausea, vomiting and abdominal discomfort, with possible fecal-oral transmission, and possibly before respiratory symptoms.

Gastrointestinal symptoms common in COVID-19 patients, Stanford Medicine study reports

“COVID-19 is probably not just respiratory symptoms like a cough,” Podboy said. “A third of the patients we studied had gastrointestinal symptoms. It’s possible we may be missing a significant portion of patients sick with the coronavirus due to our current testing strategies focusing on respiratory symptoms alone.”

Triage up until now has focused on people with respiratory symptoms. This also has implication on care and transmission in assisted living facilities.
 
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Told my wife we took a big HH pay cut due to virus so she'd stop spending. It's working out well. Spending down 40%. I encourage you guys to do the same if you can pull it off.
 
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