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I agree, Circa. But I say the same stuff and I'm a 'Cat in the Hat'.

This has been one of me and many others' main
points throughout this whole thing. The worry, panic, hysteria and overreaction to this worldwide is too much. If you are old or smoke, you should certainly be concerned.
This is so close to the flu in structure and symptoms that it's giving false test results and yet we're commanded 'dont you dare compare this to a bad flu'.

We are in a situation that is unwinnable by any Ego that wants attention. No matter the side you can try to think of, the other side will tear ya down. The scariest part of this Is we don't know and It is unheard of... IMO, It's political and the media in which we have looked for guidance over the last 50+ years has turned into a shift of power.
I'm scared for my kids. They don't understand and wisdom Is unteachable.
This whole ordeal Is something we have no prior analytics on.
 

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It's because the flu doesn't overrun hospitals, not sure what's so hard to understand here. A bit tough to do preventive medicine when it's all hands on deck.

Overreacting to it has always been the best course of action, literally every medical professional has advocated for a swift response to this. Sitting back and keeping the economy open as if nothing happened has decimated the countries that tried it. Boris Johnson's approach didn't really seem to go over so well.

We could argue this until I'm dead. If they made the same argument about the influenza virus in 1918 we (you and me) would 99% for sure not exist today. I know you'll pull some stat saying It affected only this, or that, and It was not as challenging...
In reality It doesn't matter.
We are susceptible to germs and the only thing that should change Is people should take more time cleaning up... Baths are disgusting btw, anyone that sits in their own nastiness is someone I can't understand...(I've felt that way for years.) showers then wash your feet., wash the important hands and moisturize.

Boris Johnson & Johnson have more things involved than we can count to.

Let's keep It real... Not real dumb.
 
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It's funny you bring this up. There are more strains of Influenza then we really understand and people that say they had the vaccine for the flu are not getting every antibody associated with all of the different strands. I got the flu "vaccine" 3-4 years ago and I ended up sicker that year then any other year of my life. (Fever-hallucinations and craziness from both ends of my body)

IMHO, this coronavirus Is very similar and why people are testing positive-then negative - than positive again seems like flu/cold antigens. The corona virus has been around for a long time and I'm no expert but 1+1 =2...
4 If your involved with the government/media these days......... they'll just add all the numbers they see and say HEY!


Hay is for horses,
Straw is for cows,
Milk is for babies
That cry out loud.

It's because the flu doesn't overrun hospitals, not sure what's so hard to understand here. A bit tough to do preventive medicine when it's all hands on deck.

Overreacting to it has always been the best course of action, literally every medical professional has advocated for a swift response to this. Sitting back and keeping the economy open as if nothing happened has decimated the countries that tried it. Boris Johnson's approach didn't really seem to go over so well.

I guess we can all be glad that this didn't happen. 10 million needing hospitalized: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-100-00-ICU-beds-10-MILLION-hospitalized.html

This is the type of stuff I'm taking about. Ridiculous fear mongering from an Obama guy.

But this has exposed problems with our hospital system, that's for sure. And it should be a wake up call. And to be fair, Boris is a 55 year old smoker who also did drugs when he was younger
 
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My great aunt, 88, contracted COVID-19 in her nursing home. They thought she was a goner and they started with the hydroxychloriquine four days ago.

Just got the call from my Grandpa (It's his sister) that she's completely turned around and is expected to be released on Friday.

That’s fantastic man. Happy to see this and thanks for sharing.
 

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A word on Hospital Admissions criteria. They are established by CMS and followed by all insurers and based on current medical best practices. You can't just admit someone and keep them as long as you want, billing federal or private insurance. Every criterion for the admitting diagnosis has to be documented or payment is denied. The $100 billion in the CARES Act to cover COVID costs for hospitals for care will certainly not be enough as hospitals to cover care - for the insured and uninsured, which have ballooned as people are laid off from their employer sponsored health insurance.

Admissions are initially for three days reimbursement only and are lump sums for the hospital to allocate. Every day after three day has to be justified with documentation for approval that the patient has not met insurance criteria for discharge. If the patient has met that criteria for discharge but stays in the hospital, the hospital eats the costs for those subsequent days.

You can't admit someone just to make money. The fed gov can walk in, asked to review charts for a diagnosis, and deny millions because they don't think everything was met.

If a physician, concerned about the rapid deterioration he/she has observed in previous COVID patients and the patient does not met Inpatient criteria, they can admit them for Observation for 23 hours only.

Here's the Admission criteria for the Sepsis CMS Core Measure (SEP-1) Highlights from the American College of Emergency Physicians.
 
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That’s true. you’re not going to believe anything that contradicts.

I apologize if I have given you that impression. I'm not that shallow and I want truth. I travel back and forth through allegiances to political parties so much I said to myself,... Enough.

It's not about me. The truth does exist and why we all ain't tryin to find it is a testament to the media and politics of today.
Fuck Social media, and most people on faceass are older people that are easily manipulated by the new computer thing.
 
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Why am I the only 1 that sees this as a way to manipulate our society? Scared to be wrong...?
It's really crazy.


CBS has announced we will have Sunday Night Movie night again. It stopped in 2006.
The first movie should be.. Back to The Future but with Michael J. Fox going through his real ordeal... knowing what Is to come

I just wish someone was smart enough to be like Noah, Build the Ark and try to stop all of the 'animals' from killing each other....
 
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The job loss numbers predicted by the St.Louis Fed are pretty staggering - project total employment reductions of 47 million, which would translate to a 32.1% unemployment rate.

Unemployment claims typically lag behind the figures, but the last two weeks have seen 10 million people lose their jobs. Roughly half of all U.S. workers receive health insurance through their own employer’s provided coverage.

A recent model (see link below) projects job loss based on a Low scenario assumes 12 million people lose jobs and employer insurance with a 10% unemployment rate; Medium: 23 million, 17.5% unemployment; High: 35 million, 25% unemployment We are at the low scenario already.

Many laid off American workers will be able to get health insurance in other ways - Medicaid is one of the primary sources.

Pre-COVID - the uninsured amounted to 29 million with 3% unemployment

At the High scenario, 23 million of the 35 million laid off people who had private health insurance through their employer will be on Medicaid. But the uninsured will increase from the 29 million pre-Covid to 39-40 million in that High scenario.

COVID-19 Impact on Medicaid, Marketplace, and the Uninsured, by State


Others may get insurance on a family member's plan, or through a state exchange. Few will pay the full price for COBRA. The President has decided not to have a special open enrollment period for the ACA, which he could do, and will continue to support the lawsuit ending the ACA, which will be heard before the Supreme Court in Oct. Prior to the ACA (2013), 44 million Americans did not have any health insurance.
 
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Wait, I just heard it was reported that Cuomo & Deblasio both confirmed that they have more than enough ventilators now. Cuomo admitted that the original projection was too high. (BTW, that’s a good thing b/c those excess ventilators can be shipped to other needy places or go to the national stockpile so we are even more prepared for the next pandemic.) So I have no issue w/ Cuomo’s original request being too high b/c he was doing what he thought was best for his state. But that should mean that there’s not situations where multiple people are sharing a ventilator. Also, Cuomo announced that he believes NY has not lost one patient due to lack of supplies or the best efforts of their healthcare system.

Sorry should’ve been more specific, had a friend working in a hospital in NYC a couple weeks ago when they were putting multiple people on 1 vent. Sorry for confusion.
 

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Sorry should’ve been more specific, had a friend working in a hospital in NYC a couple weeks ago when they were putting multiple people on 1 vent. Sorry for confusion.

This... It's one of those stories everyone wants to believe yet nobody has proof and any image of said proof Is blurry for the "privacy of the patient". I can't stand the fact of these matters that ask questions more than state and show reality,... turning people into tinfoil, why Is It hard to show facts?...
 

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Reporting in from NY, thankfully my family is healthy so far but some of this is starting to hit closer to home. Few notes:

(1) Cousin is a fireman in Brooklyn and does a lot of EMT work. He is the only one in his department who hasn't come down sick. His captain got sick, then the temporary captain got sick, and the temp's replacement got sick.

He described his day and just the process of cleaning himself/the truck sounds grueling, let alone helping people. The policy now is every emergency call they get has to be treated as a COVID call because they generally are. Most of his job is trying to convince people to stay home unless it's extreme because if their oxygen levels aren't at dangerous levels the hospitals are sending them home due to overcrowding. He's prepared to turn the upper half of his house into a negative pressure area for if/when he gets sick.

(2) My friend who is a nurse at an ICU in a major queens hospital says morale is very low at this point. Most patient are still older but they're getting more than a few in their, 40s, 30s, and even 20s, and the ones going on the vents mostly aren't coming off.

(3) Friend of mine just got out of the hospital after 18 days, a portion of which he was sedated and put on a vent. He's only 27 and was reasonably healthy. He's been put up in a hotel by his insurance, and he's finally able to walk short distances. He's lost about 30 lbs and says he has holes in his lungs from the virus and coughing up blood. I hope he doesn't have permanent lung damage but I didn't want to ask.

Stay safe out there everyone.
 

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My attorney's office manager died this morning of Covid.

Went to the hospital yesterday evening.

Started feeling bad Monday around lunch.

They closed the office on March 27, switching to telecommute.

I dropped papers off to her on the 20th.

55 y/o smoker in good health otherwise.

Very nice lady who was life long friends with one of my distant cousins I found out during one of our numerous talks. RIP

I've been wearing masks for over a week.

A close family friend has already died (although she was 90) and my former coworker is likely not going to make it. Terrifying to be in NY tight now. I haven't been near my parents in 3 weeks.
 

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Whether the St.Louis Fed's predictions of 32% unemployment due to a loss of 47 million jobs or the Prediction Modeling - COVID-19 Impact on Medicaid, Marketplace, and the Uninsured, by State with three different levels is correct, we are still in for some pain.

Medium scenario - Unemployment - 17.5%,
Medicaid - 88 mill (pre-Covid 71 mill)
Marketplace - 13-14 mill (pre-Covid 13 mill)
EmployerSponsored - 140 mill (pre-Covid 163 mill)
Uninsured - 34-35 mill (pre-Covid 29 mill)

Of the 23 mill who lost employer sponsored insurance, Medicaid is projected to enroll 17 million.

Health Insurance changes (from link)
High Level Observations
1. The number of people receiving coverage from an employer could decline by 12 to 35 million, including both workers and family members. We estimate the economic impact to the labor market could disproportionately affect the roughly 58 million non-elderly individuals who have employer sponsored coverage and earn less than $50,000 annually.

2. Medicaid enrollment could increase from 71 million to 82-94 million. Medicaid enrollment could increase by 11 to 23 million across all states over the next several months. The extent to which this will be realized will be based on several factors, including:
- Whether displaced workers and their families, who historically have limited experience with Medicaid, have proper contacts with the Medicaid eligibility system and ultimately enroll in Medicaid.
- The operational capacity to process new applications and enroll a significant number of individuals prior to health and economic recovery. State efforts to streamline eligibility processes will require alignment amongst entities with roles in the process and associated eligibility system adjustments.
- Substantial decisions related to the Families First Coronavirus Response Act, state and federal policy clarifications, and CMS response to waiver applications impact the sensitivity of the estimates.

3. Medicaid enrollment could grow by 5 million regardless of the number of people who lose their jobs. The Families First Coronavirus Response Act encourages states to curtail disenrollment of individuals during the public health emergency, except for state residency change or voluntarytermination. We have included the estimated increase in Medicaid enrollment due to this provisionin our model.

4. Uninsured numbers could increase to 40 million, with bigger impacts in non-expansion states.While job loss will qualify many people for Medicaid in expansion states, one-third of all jobs are innon-expansion states. Given the inability of some newly unemployed individuals in non-expansionstates to qualify for Medicaid, we estimate the uninsured rate could increase more acutely in theseareas compared to expansion states.

5. Marketplaces will likely see both new entrants and attrition due to job loss. Over 11 million. Americans have individual coverage through the state and federal Marketplaces, while another 1-2 million purchase individual coverage outside of the Marketplace. Almost 60% of Marketplace enrollees have incomes between 100-200% FPL, providing them with highly subsidized health insurance. These individuals are more likely than other enrollees to move to Medicaid due to job
loss. Job loss and/or other coverage changes are considered qualifying events, allowing the consumer to purchase coverage through the Marketplace and potentially be eligible for premium subsidies that would be calculated based on their estimated 2020 total income. At the same time, some workers who lose employer-sponsored insurance due to lost or reduced employment will enter the Marketplace. Our overall Marketplace enrollment estimates appear flat because entries and exits are expected to occur at roughly equal levels.
 
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After much reflection, I have concluded that COVID-19 was simply another form of the World Government giving sacrifice to Baal. The delay of peak death in America is an elaborate plan to mark the traditional April 19 blood letting and devotion to fire. Think about it. All of these people are being cremated...a subtle by obvious nod to the ancient practice of burning human sacrifice. The media is in on the charade as well, driving up hysteria to attract the attention of Baal. This is all being celebrated by occult elite in Washington and elsewhere in the world. Bet your ass on April 19th they will all conduct their rituals in hiding, social distancing be damned.

Don't be caught up in the puppet show, be the fox, not the sheep. And please, don't tell anyone that you got this information from me. I want to see the light of May.
 

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From Epoch Times

Millions of Americans Using ‘Zoom,’ But Some Data Sent to China

BOWEN XIAO

Video-conferencing app Zoom, which has surged in popularity amid the global CCP virus pandemic, is facing mounting privacy and security concerns after research reports and the CEO’s disclosure revealed its encryption keys were being transmitted to servers in China in some cases.

The backlash reached a crescendo recently with Taiwan’s recent banning of any government use

of Zoom, citing security concerns. The April 7 measure marked the first time a government had imposed a formal action against the company.

In the United States, a similar picture is emerging. Experts told The Epoch Times that concerns related to Zoom’s alleged ties to the Chinese Communist Party are absolutely warranted.



Millions of Americans Using ‘Zoom,’ Which Sends Some Data to China

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Watchdog group Citizen Lab recently examined Zoom’s encryption during multiple test calls in North America, in which they found keys for encrypting and decrypting meetings were “transmitted to servers in Beijing.” The report stated that Zoom used “non-industry- standard cryptographic techniques with identifiable weaknesses.”

“An app with easily-identifiable limitations in cryptography, security issues, and offshore servers located in China [that] handle meeting keys, presents a clear target to reasonably well-resourced nation-state attackers, including the People’s Republic of China,” the authors wrote in their April 3 report.

The app has gained immense popularity in recent weeks as millions of Americans under lockdown are required to work from home. Headquartered in San Jose, California, Zoom reached more than 200 million daily users worldwide in March, a massive increase from the 10 million daily participants at the end of December.

Zoom also appears to own three companies in China, the report states, adding that according to a recent SEC filing, the company, through its Chinese affiliates, “employs at least 700 employees in China that work in ‘research and development.’” This arrangement, researchers noted, “may make Zoom responsive to pressure from Chinese authorities.”

Casey Fleming, chairman and CEO of intelligence and security strategy firm Black-Ops Partners, said Americans should be very wary of any software or hardware created or manufactured in China.

“The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) completely controls all production and exploits every opportunity to steal intellectual property and innovation through every means possible,” Fleming told The Epoch Times. “Economic espionage is part of the CCP’s grand strategy of Hybrid Competition (Warfare) to defeat the United States, capitalism, and democracy to ultimately control the world.

“The world is waking up to how ruthless and evil the Chinese Communist Party really is and their true intentions,” he said. “Recent CCP actions and statements reveal this point. The CCP is very much like a nefarious and dysfunctional crime family running a nationstate.”

The Epoch Times reached out to Zoom for comment but didn’t receive a response.

Meanwhile, the Department of Homeland Security said in a positively worded memo that the company had been responsive to the concerns raised about its software, according to Reuters. The memo was recently distributed to top government cybersecurity officials.

Growing Scrutiny

Zoom CEO Eric Yuan admitted in an April 3 blog post that the company “mistakenly” added servers for the app in China.

“In our urgency to come to the aid of people around the world during this unprecedented pandemic, we added server capacity and deployed it quickly— starting in China, where the outbreak began,” Yuan said. “In that process, we failed to fully implement our usual geo-fencing best practices. As a result, it is possible certain meetings were allowed to connect to systems in China, where they should not have been able to connect.”

In February, to handle an increase in demand, Yuan said Zoom added two of its Chinese data centers “to a lengthy whitelist of backup bridges, potentially enabling non-Chinese clients to—under extremely

limited circumstances—connect to them (namely when the primary non-Chinese servers were unavailable).”

He added that Zoom “immediately took the mainland China data centers off of the whitelist of secondary backup bridges for users outside of China” after learning about the oversight.

In an October 2017 interview with Medium, Yuan said he decided to move to the United States in the mid-1990s because of the growing internet wave, which he said had not taken off in China. He said he got his U.S. visa on his ninth attempt.

“The first time I applied for a U.S. visa, I was rejected,” Yuan said. “I continued to apply again and again over the course of two years, and finally received my visa on the ninth try.”

The FBI also warned about Zoom’s security vulnerabilities in a March post saying there were reports of video calls being hacked with “pornographic and/or hate images, and threatening language.” The Justice Department also issued a similar release.

Experts said the criticisms they have seen against the app are similar to the ones about the Chinese-owned video-sharing app TikTok, which is facing a national security review.

On April 3, a group of 19 House lawmakers sent a letter to Yuan asking him to “shed light” on the company’s data collection practices, including information on attendee attention tracking, cloud recording, and automatic transcriptions of conferences.

And according to The New York Times, New York Attorney General Letitia James asked Yuan in a letter about the new security measures that Zoom has put in place. The New York City Department of Education has also banned teachers from using the app.

Zoom is dealing with a heavy load of backlash against a “multi-faceted and often mind-boggling shortsightedness with regard to user privacy and the overall security of its platform,” Attila Tomaschek, data privacy expert at ProPrivacy, told The Epoch Times.

“ Beijing theoretically could demand that the encryption keys for those calls be handed over for decryption by Chinese authorities, allowing them full access to the contents of those calls and the ability to listen in on supposedly private conversations,” he said.

Meanwhile, Zoom was hit with a class-action lawsuit by shareholder Michael Drieu, who accused the company of overstating its privacy standards and failing to disclose that its service wasn’t end-to-end encrypted.

Also, Google on April 8 banned the use of Zoom on employee computers, citing security concerns. A spokesperson told The Hill the move was part of Google’s longstanding policy of not allowing the use of “unapproved apps for work.”

The fact that Zoom effectively gave Chinese authorities access to the call data of users in North America, well outside the normal reach of the communist regime, “raises the alarm to a whole new level,” Tomaschek said.

“[Zoom] represents a particularly attractive target for government agencies in gathering intelligence,” he added. “When the company quite literally hands over the keys to an authoritarian government, it presents massive issues with regard to user trust and its overall security practices.”

The Chinese Communist Party completely controls all production and exploits every opportunity to


steal intellectual property and innovation. Casey Fleming, chairman and CEO, BlackOps Partners
 

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I apologize if I have given you that impression. I'm not that shallow and I want truth. I travel back and forth through allegiances to political parties so much I said to myself,... Enough.

It's not about me. The truth does exist and why we all ain't tryin to find it is a testament to the media and politics of today.
Fuck Social media, and most people on faceass are older people that are easily manipulated by the new computer thing.

Sorry, but not true. Cyber security is a topic of daily discussion in my job. We do a lot of security awareness with our employees. In putting together a training session, I came across these little nuggets.

Millennials are twice more likely to fall for phishing and online scams, compared to baby boomers, according to a recently concluded study carried out by UK's Get Safe Online organization.

One in ten subjects aged 18-24 admitted to falling victim to phishing, compared to only one in twenty subjects aged 55 or older. Bleepingcomputer.com 2017

I would also disagree that you cannot teach wisdom. The definition of wisdom
wis·dom
/ˈwizdəm/
noun
the quality of having experience, knowledge, and good judgment
; the quality of being wise.

You gain wisdom from life experience's.
 
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Tests are running about 80% negative

Your friend might have had COVID, but if the tests are any indicator, he probably didn't. About 80% of the people that got tested thought that they probably had COVID, turns out they didn't.

Maybe, but I don't think he'd be facing the same odds as the larger pool of people. He's not dumb and works in healthcare, he knows better than to go in unless things are serious.

I think the reason we see 80% negative tests are because there are far too many people with "nothing better to do". They want to test positive because they can get on facebook and get the spotlight for a couple of weeks.

There are more and more people with meaningless lives that want to be part of something.

Testing positive and "surviving" a virus might be their life's work.
 

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Maybe, but I don't think he'd be facing the same odds as the larger pool of people. He's not dumb and works in healthcare, he knows better than to go in unless things are serious.

I think the reason we see 80% negative tests are because there are far too many people with "nothing better to do". They want to test positive because they can get on facebook and get the spotlight for a couple of weeks.

There are more and more people with meaningless lives that want to be part of something.

Testing positive and "surviving" a virus might be their life's work.

What's your basis for this claim?

Here in Indiana you needed to run a fever for five days.
 

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Sorry should’ve been more specific, had a friend working in a hospital in NYC a couple weeks ago when they were putting multiple people on 1 vent. Sorry for confusion.

No problem. Thanks for clarification.
 

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Maybe, but I don't think he'd be facing the same odds as the larger pool of people. He's not dumb and works in healthcare, he knows better than to go in unless things are serious.

I think the reason we see 80% negative tests are because there are far too many people with "nothing better to do". They want to test positive because they can get on facebook and get the spotlight for a couple of weeks.

There are more and more people with meaningless lives that want to be part of something.

Testing positive and "surviving" a virus might be their life's work.

Similar to someone who says they hope they get it just so they can get it over with and enjoy Summer, and then maybe talk about it on an internet message board for dramatic effect.
 
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What's your basis for this claim?

Here in Indiana you needed to run a fever for five days.

I've seen many idiots online with just alleged symptoms, haven't even gotten to a test, go on social media and do the "OMG look at me".

The older I get, the more I realize there's a higher population of dumb, attention seeking people who are easily influenced than I ever knew.

It is different state by state but if you really want a test, you'll find a way to get one.
 

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Even from the very start of testing, where availability was extremely restricted, positive tests were running 15% to 20%. Health professionals were almost entirely testing only people that were going to require hospitalization. They were not testing people who were somehow seeking internet fame.
 

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I've seen many idiots online with just alleged symptoms, haven't even gotten to a test, go on social media and do the "OMG look at me".

The older I get, the more I realize there's a higher population of dumb, attention seeking people who are easily influenced than I ever knew.

It is different state by state but if you really want a test, you'll find a way to get one.

I agree that there are people with a pathological need to draw attention to themselves on the internet.
 
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Even from the very start of testing, where availability was extremely restricted, positive tests were running 15% to 20%. Health professionals were almost entirely testing only people that were going to require hospitalization. They were not testing people who were somehow seeking internet fame.

That's true most of the time. I can tell you from daily calls I have with UC clinics and providers writing scrips across the nation, this is not exclusively true.

UC clinics will never say "test all". They put parameters out there that are mostly adhered to, but also meant to deter some ppl from going in.

There are always overrides made. UC clincs don't want to be the entity responsible for the person who ends up in ICU down the road saying "I tried to get treatment at XYZ and they denied me and look at me now".

I don't think this should be that surprising.
 
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