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Back in my day they had a pretty decent band IIRC. And I really wasn't there for the music to be honest :). Cheap beer and target rich.

Our typical routine back then was to hit the Brass for a pitcher or 3 on the way DT. Bar hop, etc until about 12 or 1am then head to Ikes to find that night cap. By then the candy was all liquored up and so was I. :)
 

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I don't really even dislike the Bengals. I think of them more as our plucky little brother. Which is kind of incredible since the Browns have been the worst team in the league basically my entire life.

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Interesting to read about the local facilities per each poster...

At my hospital, we have 10 vents and last I knew, 8 or 9 are in use. In my specific department, we have 1 box of masks and a total of 5 N95 masks. The main ER nurse has it and is on a vent. Policy-wise, our hospital has been about a week behind all the others in terms of lock downs, no visitors, temp checks, etc. Just in the last 7 days, there's been a small "boom" of patients. Going from "one, but he's currently in Florida," to "we just scanned 6 people with symptoms in the last hour."

I've been up my bosses' asses the last three weeks about this stuff and they still won't set non-essential staff up with remote capabilities. It's "all hands on deck" until further notice.

Locally, in my neighborhood (northside of Indy), kids and at-home parents are treating this like summer break. They're out everywhere, playing, drinking beers, socializing (nowhere near the recommended 6+ feet apart). It's unreal.

Kudos to you and thanks for the work you do. This is in effect a war, as I'm sure you well know - especially in hot spots like NY. From my link with the interactive graph yesterday, Marion County (only) has had 296 diagnosed cases, six deaths, and a total of 526 ICU beds. I'll be thinking about the ER head nurse and hoping she/he pulls through. Patients with this are staying on the vents an average of 10-14 days with an extended recovery period. With the shortage of PPE, this becomes dangerous for front-line providers. It's so amazing that so many retired nurses, midlevels and physicians are volunteering to being exposed to this. Stay safe.
 

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My friend, I must have sounded like the tinfoil-hat-wearing prepper for the last few months. I was one of the first to sound the alarm about this, but it's hard to make moves when you don't have the funding nor supplies to do anything about it. I know you want to separate the politics from the discussion, however when the analyses about this situation are written, the five-why is going to point to one thing: Trump is a terrible CEO, and he really sunk us when he failed to prepare and then downplayed (mocked, even) the threat.

Hospitals are like colleges in the NCAA. Not everyone has the money of an ND, Texas, or Alabama. My hospital is tiny and poor. I laughed at a recent Becker's article on 5 Washington hospitals who were potentially going to close. They have 45 days cash on hand. You know how much we have? Like, 4. So tell me how we're supposed to stockpile equipment, when I can't even stock Coca Cola products? How do you buy stuff when you're on credit lock?

Our situation is not unique. I don't remember the exact count, but rural hospitals all over the US close on a monthly basis. They can't keep up with the Joneses...es. But even the wealthy systems don't have the capital to keep the amount of items needed for this pandemic. Even if they did, China cut off the supply well before anyone had the opportunity to start purchasing more.

The problem isn't that the hospitals didn't prepare for the end of the world. The problem is that our nation has more than enough help, both internally and from its "leaders," to push us right to that day. I wish your family good fortune in the wars to come. I found out, yesterday, that I am already potentially exposed. At least our hospitals are empty. We're in the calm before the storm.

So your saying they are a bunch of crooked rich people waiting for their next check?
 
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Kudos to you and thanks for the work you do. This is in effect a war, as I'm sure you well know - especially in hot spots like NY. From my link with the interactive graph yesterday, Marion County (only) has had 296 diagnosed cases, six deaths, and a total of 526 ICU beds. I'll be thinking about the ER head nurse and hoping she/he pulls through. Patients with this are staying on the vents an average of 10-14 days with an extended recovery period. With the shortage of PPE, this becomes dangerous for front-line providers. It's so amazing that so many retired nurses, midlevels and physicians are volunteering to being exposed to this. Stay safe.

Thanks.

I live in the burbs of Indy and work in Lafayette. I actually got an update on the ER nurse and it seems she's doing well. Off the vent according to my friend. I'm not sure how long she was on it. I don't know her personally.

The more dense areas of the country will likely be hit the hardest, naturally. More testing is necessary regardless of location. Everyone assumes the real number of cases are much higher. Reports today show positive cases were up 50% with another 7 deaths in 24 hours (state-wide).
 

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Interesting to read about the local facilities per each poster...

At my hospital, we have 10 vents and last I knew, 8 or 9 are in use. In my specific department, we have 1 box of masks and a total of 5 N95 masks. The main ER nurse has it and is on a vent. Policy-wise, our hospital has been about a week behind all the others in terms of lock downs, no visitors, temp checks, etc. Just in the last 7 days, there's been a small "boom" of patients. Going from "one, but he's currently in Florida," to "we just scanned 6 people with symptoms in the last hour."

I've been up my bosses' asses the last three weeks about this stuff and they still won't set non-essential staff up with remote capabilities. It's "all hands on deck" until further notice.

Locally, in my neighborhood (northside of Indy), kids and at-home parents are treating this like summer break. They're out everywhere, playing, drinking beers, socializing (nowhere near the recommended 6+ feet apart). It's unreal.

My daughter is a nurse at Community South and they are seeing a daily climb in patients. She just sent a text and said the next 7-10 days things are going to heat up here in Indy.

Just got an email from our company president saying to have a layoff plan in place. Ten minutes after receiving that, I get a call that we are laying off a CSR. There will be more to come.
 

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We as Americans are what I would call brave, misinformed, Hypochondriacs.
If anything other than health and wealth for all comes from this stupid bug. We need reliable unadulterated NEWS! It's exhausting. And let's also hope people on the lowest end of our little spectrum start to understanding... 2 Trillion dollars doesn't just come off of the trees.
Our system is built like the big bad wolf and the straw house.

I want information about these new tests. (Show Me) It's odd and ignorant to say we are now the country with the most infection. The infection didn't start here. It's like saying the chicken came before the egg.

Talk about Bat's? This whole ordeal Is Bat Shit Crazy....

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Thanks.

I live in the burbs of Indy and work in Lafayette. I actually got an update on the ER nurse and it seems she's doing well. Off the vent according to my friend. I'm not sure how long she was on it. I don't know her personally.

The more dense areas of the country will likely be hit the hardest, naturally. More testing is necessary regardless of location. Everyone assumes the real number of cases are much higher. Reports today show positive cases were up 50% with another 7 deaths in 24 hours (state-wide).

I can only assume that number of cases increasing significantly has a lot to do with the fact that we are FINALLY getting some real testing done. Previously tests were so limited that they were only giving the tests to those individuals that were bad enough that they were being admitted to the hospital.

Up until two days ago the recent average was a little over 600 tests per day in the state of Indiana. Two days ago they tested 1,295 people and yesterday they tested 2,285 people.
 

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I can only assume that number of cases increasing significantly has a lot to do with the fact that we are FINALLY getting some real testing done. Previously tests were so limited that they were only giving the tests to those individuals that were bad enough that they were being admitted to the hospital.

Up until two days ago the recent average was a little over 600 tests per day in the state of Indiana. Two days ago they tested 1,295 people and yesterday they tested 2,285 people.

A family friend was turned away after being negative for preliminaries because she had not had five days of fever. The person she spoke with told her there was a two week(!) wait for results anyway.
 

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I can only assume that number of cases increasing significantly has a lot to do with the fact that we are FINALLY getting some real testing done. Previously tests were so limited that they were only giving the tests to those individuals that were bad enough that they were being admitted to the hospital.

Up until two days ago the recent average was a little over 600 tests per day in the state of Indiana. Two days ago they tested 1,295 people and yesterday they tested 2,285 people.

A family friend was turned away after being negative for preliminaries because she had not had five days of fever. The person she spoke with told her there was a two week(!) wait for results anyway.

Yes, it's not been great here.

More tests will undoubtedly equal more positive results. I don't think this has ever been a questionable stance. It's what do we do with those who test positive, at what threshold do people come to the hospital for their symptoms, how many ICU patients can we handle, what's the real death rate and how do we keep it as low as possible, how do we keep it from spreading, etc.
 

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I know this information will not be taken well. But It's beyond the time to look at real numbers. Not just this new number that scares the crap out of everyone.
(I have no dollar amount in this but I do have kids that can't understand.
Send everyone 1200$ and we'll get the help we poor hard working Blue Collar workers have needed since the price of everything went up in my area because of Pipeline work that has now left.)
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html
after you check that out, will someone explain why Google says the Flu Vaccine started in the 1930's? It was started not very long ago. Or was It not available because of population control?

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WTF 2 weeks?????

They were talking about testing on NPR the other day (a few good articles I read as well).
One thing they pointed at was the there are stark differences between labs in hospitals, private and public labs, universities, etc.. All different equipment with different needs. Also, the types of tests are different and require different processes. The reagents were also initially hard to get as most came from overseas. The new tests that are kicking off in NY and NOLA take less than a couple hours, and some only 45 minutes. I'm guessing Indy will remain on the back end priority wise while the heavy hit places get the abundance of the the new and improved stuff.
 

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China is reclosing all of their cinemas. Apparently they don't have COVID under control so much as they've just quit testing.
 

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China is reclosing all of their cinemas. Apparently they don't have COVID under control so much as they've just quit testing.

They never really had it under control in the first place. Just chose to lie about it.
 

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Can anybody find reliable info on annual flu deaths in Italy? I was looking strictly out of curiosity as they are about to hit 10k COVID deaths soon.
 

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Can anybody find reliable info on annual flu deaths in Italy? I was looking strictly out of curiosity as they are about to hit 10k COVID deaths soon.

Here's a study
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285

Here's a blurb on last flu season
In January this year, Italy reported that since flu season started in October 2019, over 2 million cases of flu were recorded, resulting in 240 deaths. Most of these fatal cases were elderly patients who suffered complications as a result of the virus.
Read more: https://www.2oceansvibe.com/2020/03/11/how-many-people-die-annually-from-flu-in-italy/#ixzz6HvDXxoze
 

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They never really had it under control in the first place. Just chose to lie about it.

I don't know how much bald faced lying is going on (there or anywhere) but China isn't counting all tests positive for coronavirus, only those tests which are positive plus meeting some threshold for symptoms. They have been up front about that.

One of the frustrations surrounding the whole thing is that data collection and reporting standards aren't remotely uniform.

For example, if you're not hospitalized you're not getting tested in Sweden.
 

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Can anybody find reliable info on annual flu deaths in Italy? I was looking strictly out of curiosity as they are about to hit 10k COVID deaths soon.

THIS.
Everyone that dies Is being considered COr related and It's political.
 

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THIS.
Everyone that dies Is being considered COr related and It's political.

Nembro, in the province of Bergamo, is the town most hard hit in per capita terms by COVID-19. Currently the town has 31 deaths attributed to COVID-19. But when the two authors looked at the total number of deaths registered in the town in January, February and March and compared it to the average for that period in previous years they found the number was dramatically larger. 158 deaths have been registered in the town during that period this year compared to an average of 35 in previous years.

The math is simple: the average of 35 plus the 31 COVID-19 deaths gets you to 66. But the town has recorded almost 100 more deaths on top of that. As the authors say, “The difference is enormous and cannot be a simple statistical deviation.”

EDIT: Here is an English version of the Italian article.
 
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Thanks. These are the sources I was finding, but didn’t know if there was anything more concrete I guess. 240 seems impossibly low. However, even if you used the US’ annual data and prorated it to fit their population (I get that it doesn’t work like that due to numerous other factors) it still doesn’t get you up to 10k deaths on a bad year. In that respect it does seem that COVID is and will likely continue affecting their country in ways that the flu doesn’t.
 

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I thought I read that some countries are not counting it as a coronavirus death if they had underlying health conditions.

Obviously some countries are counting it as a coronavirus death as long as they tested positive for the virus.

As others have said. Lots of inconsistencies in reporting and testing makes it extremely difficult to compare.
 

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Thanks. These are the sources I was finding, but didn’t know if there was anything more concrete I guess. 240 seems impossibly low. However, even if you used the US’ annual data and prorated it to fit their population (I get that it doesn’t work like that due to numerous other factors) it still doesn’t get you up to 10k deaths on a bad year. In that respect it does seem that COVID is and will likely continue affecting their country in ways that the flu doesn’t.

While Italy is considered the #1 HC system by many in the world rating systems, many I know including folks that have family there, say it's a joke. The gov in general has always had "accuracy" problems, so I'd take just about everything with a grain of salt. There's a reason why Italy is considered one of the low tier EU countries in most areas.

I don't know how much bald faced lying is going on (there or anywhere) but China isn't counting all tests positive for coronavirus, only those tests which are positive plus meeting some threshold for symptoms. They have been up front about that.

One of the frustrations surrounding the whole thing is that data collection and reporting standards aren't remotely uniform.

For example, if you're not hospitalized you're not getting tested in Sweden.

China's testing has been greatly flawed too. It's one reason we did our own tests.
 

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Just Imagine If the fear of everything oxygen gives us... wasn't taken away the moment they said cigarettes are the thing that causes Cancer. Not Like a DuPont Or PPG or any of the chemical plants that caused cancer by polluting our drinking water and the air we breathe.

We are the Guinea pig's, rats, monkeys, followers of whatever the media and hierarchy says. Good Luck to everyone. There's a reason we can't see the infected.
 

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Trump tire of talking to GM

President Trump said Friday that he had directed Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar to require General Motors to begin making ventilators under the Defense Production Act to combat the coronavirus pandemic after negotiations with the automaker had stalled.

"Our negotiations with GM regarding its ability to supply ventilators have been productive, but out fight against the virus is too great to allow the give-and-take of the contracting process to continue to run its normal course," Trump said in a statement, adding: "GM was wasting time."

I'd rather have the Ford or Dyson model anyway....
 

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Who really thinks that NYC really needs 14-20,000 ventilator's? Is this really what we are believing? Girls wearing trash bags and Italians making ventilators out of scuba gear?
 

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Lacrosse colleague of mine let me know that a teammate was saved by an experimental drug. Trying to find out which. He was in ICU and they didn't think he was going to make it. Per him: "if he had been in crowded NYC instead of NJ it probably would've been a different outcome."

Next few weeks could be rough.
 
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