COVID-19

[NDohio]

1) Seasonality vitamin D also kills COVID -- same as FLU, FLU doesn't care about seasons believe it or not, it's just vitamin D deficiency/sufficiency).

2) Changes in reporting. CDC is not hiding, they now only count "unvaccinated cases" unless there's a hospitalization or death.

And the vaccine isn't proven safe. That's not even a debate. We do not know the long term or frankly short term risks associated with them and we won't for a while. That doesn't mean I assume they're going to destroy the planet, but they are simply not proven safe.

Ivermectin is proving to be not a homerun but a grand slam on all accounts. But people don't like to learn that and that's freaky.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/desperate-covid-care-unauthorized-immigrants-180840928.html

 

[IrishRazor82]

So it's just coincidence that flu cases take a large jump in the fall/early winter? Most everyone's vitamin D levels just happen to drop in the fall/early winter? What about those of us that take multivitamins and vitamin D supplements regularly yet still contract the flu?

A quick Google found these long term effects of Ivermectin.

What are the long term side effects of ivermectin?
Symptoms of neurotoxicity include lethargy, drooling, tremors/seizures, inability to stand, disorientation, and coma. Serious neurological events in humans, such as encephalopathy, confusion, stupor, or coma, after ivermectin were initially observed in campaigns to treat O. volvulus in African countries.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5929173/

You have to be vitamin D sufficient. Taking a multivitamin or even a singular vitamin D capsule might not make you sufficient based on your age, weight, and skin color. One size does not fit all. Darker skinned, elderly, and overweight people need much more vitamin D because their body doesn't synthesize it the same.

Side effects /= safety. Every drug has side effects. The point is Ivermectin is a nobel winning drug and has been used over 4,000,000,000 times with 2 people having died (both with severe genetic disorders). The deaths from healthy people taking the vaccine and being dead within in 72 hours is already in the thousands.... Miscarriages in vaccinated women is up 3,000%... the side effects go on and on..

 

[IrishRazor82]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/desperate-covid-care-unauthorized-immigrants-180840928.html

This article is propaganda trash. Here is the science:

Paper on 18 studies: https://journals.lww.com/americanthe...ing_the.4.aspx

Conclusions:

• Meta-analyses based on 18 randomized controlled treatment trials of ivermectin in COVID-19 have found large, statistically significant reductions in mortality, time to clinical recovery, and time to viral clearance.
• Results from numerous controlled prophylaxis trials report significantly reduced risks of contracting COVID-19 with the regular use of ivermectin.
• Ivermectin distribution campaigns leading to rapid population-wide decreases in morbidity and mortality indicate that an oral agent effective in all phases of COVID-19 has been identified.
• It has been proved safe and been used over 4 billion times since 1975.

 

[Irishize]

I don't think this is accurate. Vaccines take forever because of the interconnection between urgency and money. Typically, there isn't much urgency to get a vaccine developed therefore the money isn't there hence the long timeline. Additionally, the COVID vaccines were easy to prove efficacy being in a pandemic-- it typically takes much longer to prove that efficacy with other viruses that aren't ravaging the globe. Lastly, it's the vaccine itself that causes side effects, not the immune response it triggers. The vaccine leaves your body relatively quickly, which is why any adverse reaction that may have long term effects (GBS for example) will appear within the first 30-45 days. Vaccines do not have long term side effects that appear later on in life. Full stop.

I think what causes confusion is people forget the FDA did (as it often does when there’s an unmet need) an “accelerated approval”. IIRC, that means the FDA has seen enough science to conclude that the benefits outweigh the risks yet they will still continue long-term studies. IMO, the reason this gets conflated is that this is an accelerated (or emergency) approval that affects EVERYONE...not just specific tumor types in oncology for example that may only affect a small group of patients.

You are correct about the urgency. There is not a big profit motive when compared to orals, infusions or injections that are required on a weekly/monthly basis. Go look at some of the major vaccines out there and they’ve likely been sold off at least once to smaller pharma companies. As easy as it is to play the “big, evil pharma” card, vaccines isn’t the place to do it.

 

[TorontoGold]

This article is propaganda trash. Here is the science:

Paper on 18 studies: https://journals.lww.com/americanthe...ing_the.4.aspx

Conclusions:

• Meta-analyses based on 18 randomized controlled treatment trials of ivermectin in COVID-19 have found large, statistically significant reductions in mortality, time to clinical recovery, and time to viral clearance.
• Results from numerous controlled prophylaxis trials report significantly reduced risks of contracting COVID-19 with the regular use of ivermectin.
• Ivermectin distribution campaigns leading to rapid population-wide decreases in morbidity and mortality indicate that an oral agent effective in all phases of COVID-19 has been identified.
• It has been proved safe and been used over 4 billion times since 1975.

Ok, now take a look at the results of vaccines and tell us what you find. See - Israel etc.

Also, would REALLY like to see the reported thousands of deaths from a COVID vaccine in last 72 hours as you stated above.

 

[notredomer23]

Ok, now take a look at the results of vaccines and tell us what you find. See - Israel etc.

Also, would REALLY like to see the reported thousands of deaths from a COVID vaccine in last 72 hours as you stated above.

Patiently waiting for the source. Can't wait for the Alex Jones-esque youtube video or reddit post.

 

[Irish#1]

You have to be vitamin D sufficient. Taking a multivitamin or even a singular vitamin D capsule might not make you sufficient based on your age, weight, and skin color. One size does not fit all. Darker skinned, elderly, and overweight people need much more vitamin D because their body doesn't synthesize it the same.

Side effects /= safety. Every drug has side effects. The point is Ivermectin is a nobel winning drug and has been used over 4,000,000,000 times with 2 people having died (both with severe genetic disorders). The deaths from healthy people taking the vaccine and being dead within in 72 hours is already in the thousands.... Miscarriages in vaccinated women is up 3,000%... the side effects go on and on..

Just like a 200lb person's alcohol reading after one beer won't be the same as someone who weighs 125lbs. You might want to look at the labels on those vitamins and supplements though. They're usually 200% - 1000% of the daily recommended doses meaning unless they are overly obese, they probably have sufficient levels.

 

[Trait Expectations]

Ok, now take a look at the results of vaccines and tell us what you find. See - Israel etc.

Also, would REALLY like to see the reported thousands of deaths from a COVID vaccine in last 72 hours as you stated above.

I'm really interested in this data as well. I had no idea 1000s were dying from COVID vaccine. I'm certain no one would say that without data, can't wait to see it.

Also, IrishRazor82, I asked a bunch of questions a page back and I never got a reply. I'd love to get your honest feedback.

 

[Irishize]

There is certainly nothing wrong w/ discussing the benefits/risks of ivermectin but until there’s conclusive peer-reviewed data, it can’t claim to be on the same page as FDA-approved vaccines much less a better/safer option. I think this argument stems from YouTube censoring the pulmonologist who presented data to Congress when he appeared on podcast interviews.

That’s what most folks have a problem with b/c even an uninformed person or conspiracy theorist has to get a licensed prescriber to write Ivermectin off-label. So it’s not like folks are going to go drink bleach or something OTC. This likely never gets to conspiracy stage if Google, FB, etc didn’t censor it b/c the topic being discussed is amongst KOLs who have the CV to be able to discuss such topics vs some underground press conspiracy nut who makes unsubstantiated claims.

But for non-scientists or non-licensed prescribers to discuss it does require what Trait Expectations & others have asked for....peer-reviewed, published data that holds up to scrutiny.

 

[notredomer23]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/jbloom_lab/status/1407445604029009923?s=21[/TWEET]

Lab leak, zoonotic, whatever. China is a global menace. Worth reading the link and Twitter thread if you have time.

 

[IrishRazor82]

Joe Rogan just dropped an "emergency podcast" with Dr. Weinstein and Dr. Kory on Ivermectin (same people and convo I bumped on page 120).

I told you all to buy early and this was going to get huge.

The results of unequivocal, it's a grand slam in terms of cost, safety, preventative nature, and therapy.

 

[NDBoiler]

Joe Rogan just dropped an "emergency podcast" with Dr. Weinstein and Dr. Kory on Ivermectin (same people and convo I bumped on page 120).

I told you all to buy early and this was going to get huge.

The results of unequivocal, it's a grand slam in terms of cost, safety, preventative nature, and therapy.

I get you’re trying desperately to prove your point, but I’m going to go ahead and say that using Joe Rogan or a guest on his podcast will not get you too far in a scientific discussion with a level headed person. The fact that you reference him damages the credibility of your position. Nothing against what Joe does, but he’s out there for entertainment purposes (as many others are as well) and is clearly not a leader in practical, fact based knowledge.

 

[IrishRazor82]

I get you’re trying desperately to prove your point, but I’m going to go ahead and say that using Joe Rogan or a guest on his podcast will not get you too far in a scientific discussion with a level headed person. The fact that you reference him damages the credibility of your position. Nothing against what Joe does, but he’s out there for entertainment purposes (as many others are as well) and is clearly not a leader in practical, fact based knowledge.

Dr. Kory is one of the top lung and ICU specialist in the world who's actively fighting COVID.

Bret Weinsten is arguably the most brilliant evolutionary biologists alive today.

Joe Rogan is simply a platform for them to speak, his "credibility" literally has nothing to do with this.... But it's as large of a podcast platform as it gets...

 

[Irish#1]

Joe Rogan just dropped an "emergency podcast" with Dr. Weinstein and Dr. Kory on Ivermectin (same people and convo I bumped on page 120).

I told you all to buy early and this was going to get huge.

The results of unequivocal, it's a grand slam in terms of cost, safety, preventative nature, and therapy.

I assume you're referring to the same Joe Rogan that is a comedian, UFC broadcaster, hosted Mad TV who also supports the use of LSD, psilocybin mushrooms? I've always liked Rogan, but his background is void of medical and pharmaceutical education and experience. Rogan's podcasts are typically conspiracy theories. It's hard to take Rogan for anything more than entertainment.

 

[Trait Expectations]

Dr. Kory is one of the top lung and ICU specialist in the world who's actively fighting COVID.

Bret Weinsten is arguably the most brilliant evolutionary biologists alive today.

Joe Rogan is simply a platform for them to speak, his "credibility" literally has nothing to do with this.... But it's as large of a podcast platform as it gets...

I actually, surprisingly agree with you on this. Rogan doesn't claim to be an expert, he often brings experts on to discuss their position.

But I'm still waiting for you to reply to my questions...

 

[IrishRazor82]

I assume you're referring to the same Joe Rogan that is a comedian, UFC broadcaster, hosted Mad TV who also supports the use of LSD, psilocybin mushrooms? I've always liked Rogan, but his background is void of medical and pharmaceutical education and experience. Rogan's podcasts are typically conspiracy theories. It's hard to take Rogan for anything more than entertainment.

He has literally nothing to do with the power of the discussion and results other than providing two Doctors the opportunity to explain on the largest podcast in the world...

 

[Irish#1]

He has literally nothing to do with the power of the discussion and results other than providing two Doctors the opportunity to explain on the largest podcast in the world...

Sure he does. He's the one driving the dialogue. The point is if it were someone like Walter Cronkite, Nora Donald or Anderson Cooper hosting them, then there is much more credibility.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Joe Rogan just dropped an "emergency podcast" with Dr. Weinstein and Dr. Kory on Ivermectin (same people and convo I bumped on page 120).

I told you all to buy early and this was going to get huge.

The results of unequivocal, it's a grand slam in terms of cost, safety, preventative nature, and therapy.

I don't know if it's a grand slam. But the amount of censorship regarding Ivermectin is appalling. This is a drug that has shown some promise and certainly needs to continue to be tested. Youtube automatically takes down any video that mentions the drug in a positive way. People on twitter are scared to mention the drug in fear of getting banned or shadowbanned. Weinstein's livelihood was basically threatened when he even suggests that the drug shows a lot of promise.

You would think that we would've learned something from all the censorship regarding the lab leak theory. But the censorship continues. Today it's regarding COVID issues, how long till it spreads to other areas. I get it that the social media companies want to stop the spread of lies, but censoring any discussion regarding items that simply haven't been proven one way or the other is pretty dangerous.

 

[Trait Expectations]

I assume you're referring to the same Joe Rogan that is a comedian, UFC broadcaster, hosted Mad TV who also supports the use of LSD, psilocybin mushrooms? I've always liked Rogan, but his background is void of medical and pharmaceutical education and experience. Rogan's podcasts are typically conspiracy theories. It's hard to take Rogan for anything more than entertainment.

Rogan has been incredibly successful in everything he's done. He was a highly proficient martial artist, then became a high level comedian, then became a high level actor, then hosted a big gameshow, then became a UFC broadcaster and now he runs the most succesful, #1 ranked podcast in the world. He routinely has top-of-the-pyramid experts on to discuss their positions, as well as some of the conspiracy/provocative stuff.

Calling the information into question based on Rogan's history seems...silly. Some of the leading researchers are suggestin Psilocybin will have a massive role to play in the future. Look up the success rate of the recent psilocybin clinical trials. The Johns Hopkins stuff is fascinating. Roland Griffiths is above reproach.

 

[Trait Expectations]

Sure he does. He's the one driving the dialogue. The point is if it were someone like Walter Cronkite, Nora Donald or Anderson Cooper hosting them, then there is much more credibility.

No, there isn't. Lol. He's considered by many to be amongst the most influential interviewers in the world.

 

[IrishRazor82]

Sure he does. He's the one driving the dialogue. The point is if it were someone like Walter Cronkite, Nora Donald or Anderson Cooper hosting them, then there is much more credibility.

It's scary how far your eyes are from the ball on this.

 

[IrishRazor82]

There is certainly nothing wrong w/ discussing the benefits/risks of ivermectin but until there’s conclusive peer-reviewed data, it can’t claim to be on the same page as FDA-approved vaccines much less a better/safer option. I think this argument stems from YouTube censoring the pulmonologist who presented data to Congress when he appeared on podcast interviews.

That’s what most folks have a problem with b/c even an uninformed person or conspiracy theorist has to get a licensed prescriber to write Ivermectin off-label. So it’s not like folks are going to go drink bleach or something OTC. This likely never gets to conspiracy stage if Google, FB, etc didn’t censor it b/c the topic being discussed is amongst KOLs who have the CV to be able to discuss such topics vs some underground press conspiracy nut who makes unsubstantiated claims.

But for non-scientists or non-licensed prescribers to discuss it does require what Trait Expectations & others have asked for....peer-reviewed, published data that holds up to scrutiny.

Peer reviewed (and previously posted). There are 3 other papers in peer review:

https://journals.lww.com/americanth...in_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.98040.aspx

Buying late on something that shows undeniable benefit when people are dieing daily, only to wait for the big pharma "gold standard" process is gross negligence and it's getting exposed as we speak.

Proven safe, available world wide, not only treats but prevents, and would have reduced deaths an estimated 60-85%.

 

[NorthDakota]

I assume you're referring to the same Joe Rogan that is a comedian, UFC broadcaster, hosted Mad TV who also supports the use of LSD, psilocybin mushrooms? I've always liked Rogan, but his background is void of medical and pharmaceutical education and experience. Rogan's podcasts are typically conspiracy theories. It's hard to take Rogan for anything more than entertainment.

This wasn't the dunk you thought it was lol.

And no, his shows are not typically conspiracy theories. Anyone who listens to his shows even periodically would be aware of that. He has a few goofballs on here and there, but those are outliers in every sense of the word. If his podcasts are "typically conspiracy theories" then Notre Dame "typically" loses to Navy lol.

 

[NorthDakota]

Not to mention, Joe Rogan's audience is enormous and cuts across partisan divides, urban/rural, etc. He does long-form discussions for a job. He doesn't owe anyone any sort of narrative. He's a goofy guy at times, but his show always gives the other party an opportunity to get more than a few bullet points out.

Anderson Cooper doesn't have that. Neither does Nora McDonald.

 

[Irish#1]

This wasn't the dunk you thought it was lol.

And no, his shows are not typically conspiracy theories. Anyone who listens to his shows even periodically would be aware of that. He has a few goofballs on here and there, but those are outliers in every sense of the word. If his podcasts are "typically conspiracy theories" then Notre Dame "typically" loses to Navy lol.

Apparently not! lol

I'm very well aware of Rogan and what he's done. He's a successful dude no doubt. I loved him on The Man Show and Trait basically wrote what I had just posted about his career. My point was and I apologize if it wasn't clear, is that he's not a mainstream media personality whose job is the news. With all of his other interests, he's not devoting all of his time to the news. Whether he has the most listened to podcast or not, people still get their news from the networks or the cable news companies. So what I was trying to say, is if he were in the mainstream media doing the interview, the guys trying to sell Ivermectin as the answer would be taken more seriously.

 

[Black Irish]

I got my shot the other day. I specifically asked for the dose that had a government tracking device and would magnetize the injection area. They refused. Some BS healthcare system we have in this country when medical providers can't fulfill legitimate patient requests. No wonder we lag behind countries like Val Verde and Gondor.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Apparently not! lol

I'm very well aware of Rogan and what he's done. He's a successful dude no doubt. I loved him on The Man Show and Trait basically wrote what I had just posted about his career. My point was and I apologize if it wasn't clear, is that he's not a mainstream media personality whose job is the news. With all of his other interests, he's not devoting all of his time to the news. Whether he has the most listened to podcast or not, people still get their news from the networks or the cable news companies. So what I was trying to say, is if he were in the mainstream media doing the interview, the guys trying to sell Ivermectin as the answer would be taken more seriously.

I think youll find if you look at age groups, people who arent over 55 get their news from internet based social media, youtube and podcast sources. I cant tell you the last time I watched a CNN, Fox, or NBC evening news cast.

 

[Trait Expectations]

I think youll find if you look at age groups, people who arent over 55 get their news from internet based social media, youtube and podcast sources. I cant tell you the last time I watched a CNN, Fox, or NBC evening news cast.

I was going to post this exact thing. Real news is where you find it. Rogan has more experts on to discuss things in depth on his long-form podcast than any news segment I ever watched growing up. You can't get serious discussion or fully evaluate an idea on "the news". That's why he is the perfect platform for me. Not everyone sees it this way

 

[IrishRazor82]

Apparently not! lol

I'm very well aware of Rogan and what he's done. He's a successful dude no doubt. I loved him on The Man Show and Trait basically wrote what I had just posted about his career. My point was and I apologize if it wasn't clear, is that he's not a mainstream media personality whose job is the news. With all of his other interests, he's not devoting all of his time to the news. Whether he has the most listened to podcast or not, people still get their news from the networks or the cable news companies. So what I was trying to say, is if he were in the mainstream media doing the interview, the guys trying to sell Ivermectin as the answer would be taken more seriously.

Another way to say this is our MSM is compromised trash, and it's an unfortunate truth that censorship has driven the need to do isolated 'news' events like Rogan is doing.

Dr. Kory is one of the world's experts on lung/ICU and works directly with the most referenced Lung specialist of all time.


We had (and still have) a chance to end COVID and the solution is costless and in every clinic today... I don't think you're grasping how insane this unveiling is.

 

[Irishize]

Dr. Kory is one of the top lung and ICU specialist in the world who's actively fighting COVID.

Bret Weinsten is arguably the most brilliant evolutionary biologists alive today.

Joe Rogan is simply a platform for them to speak, his "credibility" literally has nothing to do with this.... But it's as large of a podcast platform as it gets...

You are correct on this account. I just started listening yesterday and it is very informative...especially Dr. Kory. And while I’m still open to learning more about an additional treatment like ivermectin, it is definitely worrisome why platforms go to such lengths to censor actual experts in their arena on something like this.