COVID-19

[Irishize]

Hopefully the NIH will have a conclusion on ivermectin soon...

Supporters tout anti-parasite drug as covid-19 treatment, but skeptics call it the ‘new hydroxychloroquine’

An NIH trial may settle debate over ivermectin; officials warn people not to take animal formulation of the drug.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/04/08/ivermectin-covid-drug/

 

[IrishRazor82]

Peer reviewed study on the risk/benefit of COVID 19 Vaccines: https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/7/693/htm

Conclusion: The present assessment raises the question whether it would be necessary to rethink policies and use COVID-19 vaccines more sparingly and with some discretion only in those that are willing to accept the risk because they feel more at risk from the true infection than the mock infection. Perhaps it might be necessary to dampen the enthusiasm by sober facts? In our view, the EMA and national authorities should instigate a safety review into the safety database of COVID-19 vaccines and governments should carefully consider their policies in light of these data. Ideally, independent scientists should carry out thorough case reviews of the very severe cases, so that there can be evidence-based recommendations on who is likely to benefit from a SARS-CoV2 vaccination and who is in danger of suffering from side effects. Currently, our estimates show that we have to accept four fatal and 16 serious side effects per 100,000 vaccinations in order to save the lives of 2–11 individuals per 100,000 vaccinations, placing risks and benefits on the same order of magnitude.


Note - the long term risks cannot be captured at this time, that's a cross your fingers and pray.

 

[IrishRazor82]

Promising

https://m.theepochtimes.com/mkt_bre...ls_3874223.html/amp?__twitter_impression=true

 

[Trait Expectations]

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/06/heres-all-the-data-on-myocarditis-cases-linked-to-covid-19-vaccines/

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/06/even-mild-covid-in-young-people-often-leads-to-long-term-symptoms-study-finds/?comments=1&start=40


This one needs to be peer-reviewed and replicated but incredibly concerning:

https://www.sciencealert.com/covid-...s-of-brain-tissue-new-long-term-data-suggests

 

[IrishRazor82]

The vaccine reporting system (VAERS) has over 4,800 deaths following the COVID vaccines that have been reported. In the entire 31 year history of VAERS, there are only 5,000 vaccine related deaths. We essentially hit that in 6 months.

The vaccine has failed on a number of fronts. First it's passing the blood brain barrier and opening the central nervous system to pathogens. The spike protein also isn't staying at the local spot where it was hoped to and it's showing up floating around the body in autopsies which is just becoming known now. Clotting and vascular damage is also starting to show up.

Meanwhile, poor little cheap Ivermectin prevents COVID as effectively as vaccines, helps you if you actually get COVID, is far cheaper, and there is zero safety risk...

What are your politicians and media telling you or not telling you though?

 

[IrishRazor82]

Zimbabwe the latest so say forget the "WHO" and CDC and go ahead and adopt Ivermectin.

https://trialsitenews.com/conflict-of-interest-in-who-recommendation-against-ivermectin/

 

[notredomer23]

Peer reviewed study on the risk/benefit of COVID 19 Vaccines: https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/7/693/htm

Conclusion: The present assessment raises the question whether it would be necessary to rethink policies and use COVID-19 vaccines more sparingly and with some discretion only in those that are willing to accept the risk because they feel more at risk from the true infection than the mock infection. Perhaps it might be necessary to dampen the enthusiasm by sober facts? In our view, the EMA and national authorities should instigate a safety review into the safety database of COVID-19 vaccines and governments should carefully consider their policies in light of these data. Ideally, independent scientists should carry out thorough case reviews of the very severe cases, so that there can be evidence-based recommendations on who is likely to benefit from a SARS-CoV2 vaccination and who is in danger of suffering from side effects. Currently, our estimates show that we have to accept four fatal and 16 serious side effects per 100,000 vaccinations in order to save the lives of 2–11 individuals per 100,000 vaccinations, placing risks and benefits on the same order of magnitude.


Note - the long term risks cannot be captured at this time, that's a cross your fingers and pray.

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1406400396264943616?s=20[/TWEET]

100s of studies showing the opposite. Right on cue, razor nitpicks the contrary one off study.

Promising

https://m.theepochtimes.com/mkt_brea...mpression=true

Agreed, the data shows that the vaccine is doing exactly what is is supposed to be doing.

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1408861501306376199[/TWEET]

The vaccine reporting system (VAERS) has over 4,800 deaths following the COVID vaccines that have been reported. In the entire 31 year history of VAERS, there are only 5,000 vaccine related deaths. We essentially hit that in 6 months.

The vaccine has failed on a number of fronts. First it's passing the blood brain barrier and opening the central nervous system to pathogens. The spike protein also isn't staying at the local spot where it was hoped to and it's showing up floating around the body in autopsies which is just becoming known now. Clotting and vascular damage is also starting to show up.

You realize that anyone at any time can submit anything to VAERS right? It's a great tool that helped identify the bloodclots in JnJ. Unfortunately, it's been completely abused, weaponized, and misconstrued by antivaxxers like yourself. Additionally, did you expect the vaccine to stop death forever? Shocking that a max vaccination program targeting primarily elderly, there would be people that coincidentally died of unrelated causes.


Thanks to the vaccines, COVID is all but over in most of the country. Unfortunately states like Arkansas and Missouri are going to continue to have to deal with it for the foreseeable future.

 

[TorontoGold]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1408861501306376199[/TWEET]



You realize that anyone at any time can submit anything to VAERS right? It's a great tool that helped identify the bloodclots in JnJ. Unfortunately, it's been completely abused, weaponized, and misconstrued by antivaxxers like yourself. Additionally, did you expect the vaccine to stop death forever? Shocking that a max vaccination program targeting primarily elderly, there would be people that coincidentally died of unrelated causes.


Thanks to the vaccines, COVID is all but over in most of the country. Unfortunately states like Arkansas and Missouri are going to continue to have to deal with it for the foreseeable future.

I am a neanderthal to interpreting most vaccine data, but the level's of efficacy in these vaccines are some of the best ever, right? I remember seeing a chart showing the popular vaccines lined up against these ones, and being shocked at how poor the flu shot is (maybe it's that darned socialized medicine!). How do you combat people who aren't taking any vaccines to tell them they should get one of the best ones ever created?


I, for one, prefer the world class medicine of Zimbabwe over the world's best doctors in the US.

 

[ab2cmiller]

I am a neanderthal to interpreting most vaccine data, but the level's of efficacy in these vaccines are some of the best ever, right? I remember seeing a chart showing the popular vaccines lined up against these ones, and being shocked at how poor the flu shot is (maybe it's that darned socialized medicine!). How do you combat people who aren't taking any vaccines to tell them they should get one of the best ones ever created?


I, for one, prefer the world class medicine of Zimbabwe over the world's best doctors in the US.

The reason people aren't taking the vaccine has nothing to do with efficacy. If Ivermectin truly works and can be used in tandem with vaccines to reach people and countries that either don't want to take the vaccine or don't have access to the vaccine, we have a much better chance of wiping COVID out. People just continuing to yell vaccines, vaccines, vaccines, isn't likely to move the needle at this point. Hopefully the new study will provide clarity to the Ivermectin discussion.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Decent article on "why Americans arent getting vaccinated". Its literally those that fear institutions (Feds, CDC etc...???), fear or distrust of medical science and those that dont trust their own eyes. All in all not getting vaccinated will allow COVID and its variants a home and a chance to further evolve rapidly. Couple this with the behaviors of vaccianted/unvaccinated Americans and we have this:

Nearly all deaths from COVID now are in unvaccianted people.

Unvaccinated people are traveling to mostly southern lcoations for vacation travel. Primary destinations are densely populated cities.

Vaccinated people are trending to travel to places where vaccination rates are highest. Primary destinations are wide open locations and not densely populated.

 

[Armyirish47]

Thanks to the vaccines, COVID is all but over in most of the country. Unfortunately states like Arkansas and Missouri are going to continue to have to deal with it for the foreseeable future.

Not just a nickname baby, come on down! (but please be vaccinated)

 

[Irishize]

Not just a nickname baby, come on down! (but please be vaccinated)

This is so infuriating as an Arkansan. The lack of vaccinated folks is going to set us back and affect most of us as it pertains to our jobs and being able to perform them. Get the damn vax or COVID & its variants will be around for our lifetime and we will have to be vaccinated every year. The window is open to crush this virus but we continue to stand flat-footed.

 

[TorontoGold]

The reason people aren't taking the vaccine has nothing to do with efficacy. If Ivermectin truly works and can be used in tandem with vaccines to reach people and countries that either don't want to take the vaccine or don't have access to the vaccine, we have a much better chance of wiping COVID out. People just continuing to yell vaccines, vaccines, vaccines, isn't likely to move the needle at this point. Hopefully the new study will provide clarity to the Ivermectin discussion.

Right, but if you have an incredible amount of vaccine supply of the best vaccines in the world why would you not take that? Why wait for studies on something not designed specifically for COVID-19?

Like, I'm hoping the ivermectin studies by credible people come back as statistically beneficial to fighting COVID, but in the long run it is absolutely not worth waiting to see if an anti-parasitic drug is somehow going to be better than the vaccines.

A lot of people seem to be conflating this as a calcium in take type situation ie. calcium pills vs drinking more milk, this isn't that, not even close.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Right, but if you have an incredible amount of vaccine supply of the best vaccines in the world why would you not take that? Why wait for studies on something not designed specifically for COVID-19?

Like, I'm hoping the ivermectin studies by credible people come back as statistically beneficial to fighting COVID, but in the long run it is absolutely not worth waiting to see if an anti-parasitic drug is somehow going to be better than the vaccines.

A lot of people seem to be conflating this as a calcium in take type situation ie. calcium pills vs drinking more milk, this isn't that, not even close.

This. mRNA vaccianes have been devloped for a long time prior to COVID but Feds were slow to pull trigger on allowing them. Now that we have real world data from all over the world Id say they are still the best form of vaccine. Ivemrectin is basically like how Viagra came about and just seem slike a money grab to me.

 

[Irishize]

Right, but if you have an incredible amount of vaccine supply of the best vaccines in the world why would you not take that? Why wait for studies on something not designed specifically for COVID-19?

Like, I'm hoping the ivermectin studies by credible people come back as statistically beneficial to fighting COVID, but in the long run it is absolutely not worth waiting to see if an anti-parasitic drug is somehow going to be better than the vaccines.

A lot of people seem to be conflating this as a calcium in take type situation ie. calcium pills vs drinking more milk, this isn't that, not even close.

This is well said. Let the ivermectin data run its course and we can hopefully have another weapon to fight &/or prevent COVID 19. In the meantime, why wouldn’t you get the vaccine? This should be the one thing that most Americans can agree on…we want to return to normal. Imagine if we had this vaccine at the same point last year? I wonder if there would be as many folks (or the same folks) resisting it?

 

[TorontoGold]

This is well said. Let the ivermectin data run its course and we can hopefully have another weapon to fight &/or prevent COVID 19. In the meantime, why wouldn’t you get the vaccine? This should be the one thing that most Americans can agree on…we want to return to normal. Imagine if we had this vaccine at the same point last year? I wonder if there would be as many folks (or the same folks) resisting it?

Amen brother. Hopefully they can kick it into gear in your state. Appreciate being on the same side for once lol.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

This is well said. Let the ivermectin data run its course and we can hopefully have another weapon to fight &/or prevent COVID 19. In the meantime, why wouldn’t you get the vaccine? This should be the one thing that most Americans can agree on…we want to return to normal. Imagine if we had this vaccine at the same point last year? I wonder if there would be as many folks (or the same folks) resisting it?

The people resisting it are really just resisting it becasue someone is essentially telling them they should take the vaccine after Dear Leader Cheetolini spent the entire pandemic conditioning them and grifting on them. They wont do it just becasue the FED is pushing it and they hate the FED and it wont only be a political vidctory for Biden but a moral victory for the educated. #AmericaFuckYeah

 

[TorontoGold]

This. mRNA vaccianes have been devloped for a long time prior to COVID but Feds were slow to pull trigger on allowing them. Now that we have real world data from all over the world Id say they are still the best form of vaccine. Ivemrectin is basically like how Viagra came about and just seem slike a money grab to me.

Feels kinda like when I had the flu growing up and couldn't swallow any meds to help with the symptoms so I would just drink flat ginger ale for minimal relief. Instead this time it's an anti-parasitic daily (probably not great on the kidneys) for possible/unproven benefits.

 

[TorontoGold]

The people resisting it are really just resisting it becasue someone is essentially telling them they should take the vaccine after Dear Leader Cheetolini spent the entire pandemic conditioning them and grifting on them. They wont do it just becasue the FED is pushing it and they hate the FED and it wont only be a political vidctory for Biden but a moral victory for the educated. #AmericaFuckYeah

Is it really that? I thought the HCQ stuff was snake oil stuff but once the vaccine was in development/close to being out wasn't their a huge hype train for that from GOP/Dems? Is the divide really that large? Thought the messaging was "masks are bunk, and vaccines will be the only thing to help us"

 

[Irishize]

Amen brother. Hopefully they can kick it into gear in your state. Appreciate being on the same side for once lol.

Bro, I just spent a long weekend w/ my buddies from college where we play golf, drink/eat & fellowship. I was disappointed to see most of my bros are split down the middle politically. The vaccine was obviously one of the topics. Very few shared nuanced views or were open-minded. There were the staunch Republicans and the staunch Dems. I give them credit for having respectful debate and “agreeing to disagree” but until we start realizing that we all have much more in common vs what we disagree on, the nation will remain deadlocked w/ Team A vs Team B. This was a microcosm of what we see nationally.

 

[Irishize]

Ivemrectin is basically like how Viagra came about and just seem slike a money grab to me.

Interesting. Why do you think Ivermectin is a money grab?

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Is it really that? I thought the HCQ stuff was snake oil stuff but once the vaccine was in development/close to being out wasn't their a huge hype train for that from GOP/Dems? Is the divide really that large? Thought the messaging was "masks are bunk, and vaccines will be the only thing to help us"

IMO yes. Look at the percentages and geographical distribution of the unvaccinated.

 

[NorthDakota]

Is it really that? I thought the HCQ stuff was snake oil stuff but once the vaccine was in development/close to being out wasn't their a huge hype train for that from GOP/Dems? Is the divide really that large? Thought the messaging was "masks are bunk, and vaccines will be the only thing to help us"

Nope. There is a big variety of reasons people haven't gotten it. But it serves his narrative to make this some Ruby Ridge thing lolol.

 

[TorontoGold]

IMO yes. Look at the percentages and geographical distribution of the unvaccinated.

Gotcha, usually ideologically between our countries we trend the same way and my conservative friends are all on the Vax train. Conceptually you would think someone (Trump) who championed their ability to get the Vax out to the world so fast would have got a ton of buy in from his supporters. But I guess being anti-vax is something that pre-dates Donald.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Nobody is making money off of Ivermectin. That's the reason it's not being pushed, that's the reason there have been no large studies. The large studies are expensive, and usually paid for by pharmaceutical companies. They can't make any money off of it, so no large studies are done. Instead the Feds are pumping 3.2 billion in search of some drug that can do what Ivermectin is claimed to do.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Nobody is making money off of Ivermectin. That's the reason it's not being pushed, that's the reason there have been no large studies. The large studies are expensive, and usually paid for by pharmaceutical companies. They can't make any money off of it, so no large studies are done. Instead the Feds are pumping 3.2 billion in search of some drug that can do what Ivermectin is claimed to do.

Viagra was only a blood pressure medicine at first. Side effects included causing erections within 30-60 minutes. The drug then became appoved for impotence becasue Pfizer saw this to be the better way to make money off it. If there is money to be made off a drug by repurposing it....it will.

I guess im confused because I keep hearing that it has all these valid studies (which it doesnt) and if it becomes approved it will reap a windfall by becoming part of any COVID treatment thereby being repurposed from its original development intent. But im also hearing the community is actively denying it. Intersting dynamic for sure.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Gotcha, usually ideologically between our countries we trend the same way and my conservative friends are all on the Vax train. Conceptually you would think someone (Trump) who championed their ability to get the Vax out to the world so fast would have got a ton of buy in from his supporters. But I guess being anti-vax is something that pre-dates Donald.

Its almost an r=0.9 coorelation lmao

I also do not lump anti-covid vaxers in with the pre-Trump mumps, measles, Diptet causes autism antivaxxers. Two distinct POVs and rationale IMO. That group has been out to lunch on that for a while. I wont give them an ounce of oxygen to breath. Problem is that the anti-covid vaccinators are attempting to assimilate similar arguments into their beliefs but its incoherent.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Viagra was only a blood pressure medicine at first. Side effects included causing erections within 30-60 minutes. The drug then became appoved for impotence becasue Pfeizer saw this to be the better way ot make money off it. If ther eis money to be made off a drug by repurposing it it will.

I guess im confused becasue I keep hearing tha tit has all this valid studies (which it doesnt) and if it becomes approved it will reap a windfall by becoming part of any COVID treatment therby being repruposed from its original development intent. But im also hearing the community is actively denying it. Intersting dynamic for sure.

That's because Pfizer had a patent. The patent for Ivermectin's patent has long been expired and thus no money to be made since literally anyone could produce it.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

That's because Pfizer had a patent. The patent for Ivermectin's patent has long been expired and thus no money to be made since literally anyone could produce it.

It can be repurposed and repatented yes?

 

[ab2cmiller]

It can be repurposed and repatented yes?

I suppose, but if they are testing a version that is the same as all of the current generics, not sure why anyone would pay for a more expensive version that has been repanteted. Bottom line is I've never read any articles with anyone theorizing that Ivermectin is a potential money grab. Now the 3.2 billion that the Feds are ready to throw out there, that's a different story.