COVID-19

[Cackalacky2.0]

I think it’s too soon to make judgement. They’re one of the only countries in Europe that has not seen a resurgence of COVID. Denmark is averaging over 120 cases a day now compared to 20 last month. Norway was averaging 10 a day and is now at 50. All the while, Sweden’s cases continue to decrease. Additionally, Sweden’s been averaging about a death/day the whole month of August. I don’t think Sweden’s a perfect example especially because they have some unique demographic circumstances, but I think unless you’re going to do a China style lockdown, you have to let the virus go somewhat controlled and let the population develop enough immunity until there’s a vaccine, or else you’re just going be like France, Spain, Germany etc where the virus is starting to surge again.

Id be interested in seeing info on these surges. Can you provide me a source to review.

 

[NorthDakota]

There's a long post on FB explaining cause of death sections, I'm sure it'll make its rounds because it's pretty well explained. Here is the actual CDC doc:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/blue_form.pdf

The way it drills down reminds me of the "Five Why" exercise in Six-Sigma training.

In this day and age, I'd say that most people have some sort of pre-existing condition, expecially American fatties (me included.) The bad part is that some people don't even realize that they have a dangerous condition.

I was surprised to see so many make such a big deal about the "not dying from COVID" thing. I thought it was known pretty early on most or these people dying had other problems that made this worse or whatever?

 

[notredomer23]

Id be interested in seeing info on these surges. Can you provide me a source to review.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/france/

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/spain/

Not to just drop a bunch of links, but as you can see all these countries are starting to surge again, France worse than the others. Spain’s chart is off because they were previously counting positive antibody tests also. In fact, France’s 7 day average is higher now than during their first peak.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/france/

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/spain/

Not to just drop a bunch of links, but as you can see all these countries are starting to surge again, France worse than the others. Spain’s chart is off because they were previously counting positive antibody tests also. In fact, France’s 7 day average is higher now than during their first peak.

I appreciate it. I am genuinely interested in all this but ultimately ignorant on a great many things.

 

[dublinirish]

Trend in Europe right now though is a surge of cases but not really a surge in deaths and then a lot of those infected are under 45 years old

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I was surprised to see so many make such a big deal about the "not dying from COVID" thing. I thought it was known pretty early on most or these people dying had other problems that made this worse or whatever?

I think it was less that than people getting it and dying fast (like very fast) that people found so concerning. Unhealthy people or compromised people getting ill and dying isnt a surprise though protecting them from such things is and should be a moral priority.

 

[Legacy]

Officials say Hawaii’s health care system is under great stress (Honolulu Star-Advertiser)

“It’s not that we don’t have a bed. It’s the number of staff we need. It’s the number of nurses and clinicians we need,” said Jill Hoggard Green, president and CEO of The Queen’s Health Systems.

“Our staff are tired,” she said. “They’re working double shifts. They’re working tirelessly to care for every patient that has a need.”

Meanwhile, Hoggard Green of Queen’s and Andrew Giles of Kaiser Permanente Hawaii told the Senate COVID-19 Committee on Monday that the recent surge in virus patients has stretched hospital staffs on Oahu to their limits.

Hoggard Green said she was on the phone this weekend with federal health officials, the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the Hawaii Emergency Management Agency trying to rustle up some caregivers.

After recently putting out an urgent call for nurses and getting a response from hundreds of professionals, the Healthcare Association of Hawaii is now requesting an additional 150 caregivers.

The plan, Hoggard Green said, is to open up additional beds at smaller hospitals to accommodate COVID-19 patients in recovery mode, allowing for additional capacity for critical patients.

She said Queens is requesting critical care nurses, 750 cases of the anti-viral drug Remdesivir and thousands of boxes of N95 masks specially designed for those with smaller faces.

The Governor believes the state will be dealing with the virus for twelve months.

 

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A large majority of Americans, 58% see the U.S. government’s coronavirus response as worse than other countries.<br><br>But 58% of Republicans (and 67% of frequent Fox News viewers) think the U.S. government has done a *better* job than governments in other countries.</p>— Drew Linzer (@DrewLinzer) <a href="https://twitter.com/DrewLinzer/status/1301239559057895424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 2, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Poll data: https://civiqs.com/reports/2020/9/2...mistic-on-time-frame-for-coronavirus-recovery

 

[Henges24]

I'm sure it has already been posted but could someone link a graph that shows overall deaths in the US by month/day/etc. compared to other years?

 

[AFisch86]

Covid 19 is a terrible pandemic. It kills people with weak immunities. The new CDC research shows that approximately 10k people died of this. The other 100k plus had 2 more pre existing conditions. I was sick in January with a terrible cough that lasted 3 weeks. So I probably had it. This thing is going to end up being less lethal than 10+ other diseases that kill people worldwide. People are starting to realize this. I can’t speak for anyone else but the majority of people from Lancaster are sick and tired of the politics behind this.

 

[Legacy]

How COVID-19 Discriminates: The novel coronavirus has caused widespread suffering, but marginalized communities have experienced disproportionate disease and despair. (ND Magazine)

As a physician in one of the hot zones for the spread of COVID-19, I am haunted by daily encounters with patients and their families who have to make impossible choices.

One day it was a man who does not have legal residency receiving a positive COVID-19 diagnosis and hearing me order him to stay home. He looked at me like I was giving him a death sentence: “What am I supposed to do about work? Without work I can’t afford food, I can’t afford to stay where I’m staying, I don’t have any family here and I don’t have any family who can help me. I do not know how I will survive without work.”

In addition to not qualifying for unemployment or many social services, he shared fears of seeking out other community resources, such as food banks or the local hotel program, because of his immigration status. This patient’s survival extends beyond his COVID-19 infection; every day is centered on survival.

The next day, I saw a patient in acute respiratory distress, struggling to breathe with COVID-19. I went outside the clinic to speak with his daughter. I told her that he was very ill, that he would likely require a ventilator to help him to breathe, that this was the time to say goodbye.

The daughter, tears streaming down her face, turned to me and asked, “Could I have given him the disease? Is this my fault?” She and her siblings were essential workers in a factory without access to protective gear. The front desk staff and I watched, tears now welling in our eyes, as the daughter quickly embraced her father as he was wheeled to the ambulance, not knowing if she would see him again.

I wish I could say these dire circumstances surprised my fellow physicians and care providers. But these are the fault lines within communities like Chelsea, Massachusetts, the disproportionate suffering all too familiar to our medical staff at Chelsea Urgent Care. (cont)

 

[RDU Irish]

I'm sure it has already been posted but could someone link a graph that shows overall deaths in the US by month/day/etc. compared to other years?

I saw something this week that showed fewer total deaths in the US YTD through the first half of they year. Done 8 weeks later should be long enough to capture the data by metrics I recall. Can't fudge that number and I said early on that deaths for the full year would be within 10% of expectations and probably be followed by a dip the following 12 months or so. So yes, I too would appreciate someone pulling that data together as I don't remember where I saw it or have time to fact check it far.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

I was surprised to see so many make such a big deal about the "not dying from COVID" thing. I thought it was known pretty early on most or these people dying had other problems that made this worse or whatever?

30 million Americans are on blood pressure medication, 35 million diabetics. 40% obesity rate. That's before we get into people with poor lung function, autoimmune disorders, etc. That's a MASSIVE at risk population.

 

[NorthDakota]

30 million Americans are on blood pressure medication, 35 million diabetics. 40% obesity rate. That's before we get into people with poor lung function, autoimmune disorders, etc. That's a MASSIVE at risk population.

Thats sad and kinda gross. Woof.

 

[irishff1014]

How COVID-19 Discriminates: The novel coronavirus has caused widespread suffering, but marginalized communities have experienced disproportionate disease and despair. (ND Magazine)

Case number one he can go home at any point. He isn't here legally. He got treated at the hospital because they have too. If you wan't ALL of those other benefits then become a citizen if not then live with situation.

 

[Henges24]

Thats sad and kinda gross. Woof.

Ronald don't give a fvck

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[Legacy]

30 million Americans are on blood pressure medication, 35 million diabetics. 40% obesity rate. That's before we get into people with poor lung function, autoimmune disorders, etc. That's a MASSIVE at risk population.

Assuming they have health insurance so they can see a physician, get tested and educated about their diagnoses, be those prescribed medication and are able to afford their co-pays. 30-40% of adults less than 65 get flu vaccines. In inner cities, choices in nutrition and the safety to exercise are problematic.

 

[NorthDakota]

Ronald don't give a fvck

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Lies. They got diet coke in the fountain pop machine

 

[TorontoGold]

Lies. They got diet coke in the fountain pop machine

You must be Canadian, no good American says pop.

 

[NorthDakota]

You must be Canadian, no good American says pop.

We say pop. Not our fault Canadians couldn't find their own word for it so they borrow it from us.

 

[calvegas04]

Soda

 

[TorontoGold]

We say pop. Not our fault Canadians couldn't find their own word for it so they borrow it from us.

Seriously? I've only ever heard americans say soda, my GF (from Georgia) flames me on the daily for pop.

 

[NorthDakota]

Seriously? I've only ever heard americans say soda, my GF (from Georgia) flames me on the daily for pop.

America is a large country with many local vernacular terms for different things.

To me soda is that nasty carbonated water girls drink with vodka or tequila.

 

[Henges24]

I saw something this week that showed fewer total deaths in the US YTD through the first half of they year. Done 8 weeks later should be long enough to capture the data by metrics I recall. Can't fudge that number and I said early on that deaths for the full year would be within 10% of expectations and probably be followed by a dip the following 12 months or so. So yes, I too would appreciate someone pulling that data together as I don't remember where I saw it or have time to fact check it far.

FYI - just happened to find this. TIFWIW

<blockquote class="reddit-card" data-card-created="1599182355"><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/im13tq/i_made_a_very_simple_graphic_to_show_the/">I made a very simple graphic to show the difference in overall deaths compared to last year [OC]</a> from <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful">r/dataisbeautiful</a></blockquote>
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Seriously? I've only ever heard americans say soda, my GF (from Georgia) flames me on the daily for pop.

Pop, here.

You know the rules: Pics of Georgian GF or it didn't happen.

 

[NorthDakota]

FYI - just happened to find this. TIFWIW

<blockquote class="reddit-card" data-card-created="1599182355"><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/im13tq/i_made_a_very_simple_graphic_to_show_the/">I made a very simple graphic to show the difference in overall deaths compared to last year [OC]</a> from <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful">r/dataisbeautiful</a></blockquote>
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Pop, here.

You know the rules: Pics of Georgian GF or it didn't happen.

Hell yea pop guy.

Yeah we need to see this expat.

 

[dublinirish]

Seriously? I've only ever heard americans say soda, my GF (from Georgia) flames me on the daily for pop.

Everyone in Michigan says pop

 

[Legacy]

Pop.

You get soda from a soda fountain or is something you add to whisky (not American "whiskey" or Canadian)

 

[Legacy]

Is the above graph of excee deaths from "MrPlayingWithSquirrels"?

EXCESS DEATHS SHOW THE TRUE IMPACT OF COVID-19 IN THE U.S.
Epidemiologist Justin Lessler unpacks a recent CDC report on comorbidities and coronavirus deaths that is being misinterpreted on social media (Johns Hopkins)

Trump is retweeting the conspiracy theory from QAnon
Trump picks up where Fox News left off, with new coronavirus death-toll conspiracy theory

Causes listed on death certificates has been explained before on this thread. Death certificate may list pneumonia or respiratory failure, for instance, but that does not reflect that what caused the pneumonia whether a virus like influenza or Covid or a bacterial infection.

An explanation from the CDC on influenza death calculations, which would be the same with Covid :

Why doesn’t CDC base its seasonal flu mortality estimates only on death certificates that specifically list influenza?
Seasonal influenza may lead to death from other causes, such as pneumonia, congestive heart failure, or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. It has been recognized for many years that influenza is underreported on death certificates and patients aren’t always tested for seasonal influenza infection, particularly the elderly who are at greatest risk of seasonal influenza complications and death. Some deaths – particularly among the elderly – are associated with secondary complications of influenza (including bacterial pneumonias). Influenza virus infection may not be identified in many instances because influenza virus is only detectable for a short period of time and/or many people don’t seek medical care until after the first few days of acute illness. For these and other reasons, statistical modeling strategies have been used to estimate seasonal flu-related deaths for many decades. Only counting deaths where influenza was included on a death certificate would be a gross underestimation of seasonal influenza’s true impact.

Some people love a conspiracy though

 

[GATTACA!]

Everyone in Michigan says pop

Ohio checking in. It's all pop here.

 

[SonofOahu]

I was surprised to see so many make such a big deal about the "not dying from COVID" thing. I thought it was known pretty early on most or these people dying had other problems that made this worse or whatever?

Yes, this is a non-issue that people are reaching for. I mean, it's a similar concept to HIV/AIDS where you're usually not directly dying from HIV -- you're dying from a secondary infection like pneumonia.