College Football Playoff Expansion?

[GATTACA!]

12 is too many.
8 with the Power 5 automatic bid along with three wildcards.

We should probably join the ACC too.
8 ACC games
Navy
USC
Stanford (keep the California pipeline)
1 rotating Big 10/SEC school

We can keep playing our rivals and not be penalized with a loss.

We need the neg rep button back

 

[rtrn2glory]

Who do y’all think is more deserving than Pitt and Utah? Because I look at the rankings and I see them and what will be like 3 loss Baylor and Iowa. You’d rather those teams that lose their conference championships get in?

If they're better than yes. I'm just saying eliminate the automatic bids and base it on who is better. I think Pitt/Utah/Baylor/Iowa/Wisconsin are all really close and would be in the 10-12 range of the best 12 teams. Take two of those five and let the rest go to a bowl game. Now I would say you need to use things like conference championships for a tie breaker if you think it's close, but it shouldn't be justification of an automatic bid.

 

[BeauBenken]

I think auto-bids would make everything more exciting, but in order to do that, I think you have to expand the playoffs and still rank everyone by who we think is best.

In other words, the Big Ten champ could still come in as a 12th seed or 8th seed or whatever. And a team that went 12-1 with their only loss coming in the conference championship could still be ranked highly and in.

 

[IrishRazor82]

12 is way too many. Think of who'd be in play as of this past weekend, Clemson, Pitt, Houston, WF, etc.

6 or 8 and I'd prefer 6. That'd make even Iowa with a possibility this weekend. That is plenty of "eyes on" at this time of the year.

 

[irish4ever]

6 or 8 and I'd prefer 6. That'd make even Iowa with a possibility this weekend. That is plenty of "eyes on" at this time of the year.[/QUOTE]

I'm not in favor of 6 (or 12) because then someone gets a bye week. To me it needs to be a multiple of 4 (i.e. 8), then everyone has to play the same number of games to get to the championship game.

 

[IrishRazor82]

6 or 8 and I'd prefer 6. That'd make even Iowa with a possibility this weekend. That is plenty of "eyes on" at this time of the year.

I'm not in favor of 6 (or 12) because then someone gets a bye week. To me it needs to be a multiple of 4 (i.e. 8), then everyone has to play the same number of games to get to the championship game.[/QUOTE]

I'm OK with the BYE week. If we're going to allow more undeserving teams a shot, the deserving ones deserve something too. With the talk of ND having to play on BYE week regardless, that's one of many things Jack needs to consider when discussing staying independent (along with getting slammed with 6 BYE week opponents)...

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

12 is way too many. Think of who'd be in play as of this past weekend, Clemson, Pitt, Houston, WF, etc.

6 or 8 and I'd prefer 6. That'd make even Iowa with a possibility this weekend. That is plenty of "eyes on" at this time of the year.

6 is the perfect number imo as long as there are no auto qualifiers. Just take the 6 most deserving teams and give the top 2 a bye. It rewards being great and allows a reasonable mulligan for legitimate championship contenders.

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

Although the gross downside of expansion is allowing conference champ losers to be routinely included in the playoffs.

 

[GATTACA!]

8 is the right number. A bye is too OP.

Also no auto bids.

 

[Dale]

I believe ND is Team 8 w/ no AQ or 12 w/ AQ

 

[Dale]

I personally don’t mind the AQ from weaker Pac 12 or ACC I’d probably in the future Big 12 teams. Most years they’ll get drummed yes but so do we. But it opens the opportunity for that one magical game and also for teams that improve as the season goes on (Utah). Every other sport rewards that except CFB.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

6 is the perfect number imo as long as there are no auto qualifiers. Just take the 6 most deserving teams and give the top 2 a bye. It rewards being great and allows a reasonable mulligan for legitimate championship contenders.

They bye might hurt teams just as much as help.
They're already off for a month, it would put the rusty favorite vs the game ready lower seed.

 

[ACamp1900]

My tired ass hot take: when it comes to the question of how to improve this thing you are all moving in the wrong direction

 

[BleedingGold]

Speaking your mind in this place is a meaningless process of ignoring the inevitable, but here it goes:

College Football doesn't need NFL fans telling us how to make our game better. Your playoff system has led to a poor product on the field during the regular season. You would be hard pressed to admit there is a better regular season system than CFB has. Even a 2-8 team can find meaning in their rivalry game. Perfection is still the ultimate goal (not resting players).

College Football fan, we screwed up. We enjoyed our game while not being loud enough by what the powers were doing to our game. It was always big business, but until now, we tried to claim it was amateur, it was educational based. We have watched as this game has shifted to paying coaches absurd amounts, compensate players, and fail to offer equity in enforcement. We let tv money drive take over the business. Now, it is the wild west. 85 scholarship limits? What does that matter now that boosters can 'donate' to pay the tuition of the entire walk-on team. We have just assured a system that will lead us to further from balance and equity. As Notre Dame fans this might actually be to our favor, but what is good for the sport is also good for us and vice versa.

There are many things it is too late to prevent, to turn back the clock on. This isn't one of them. There will also be complaints about the 13th team in a 12 team system, or the 17th team in the 16th team system. Can we honestly say the playoff system has been a better solution than the BCS was? In an ideal world I would argue to return to conference bowl tie-ins and abandon all of this talk, but that ship has sailed. There is no going back. But expanding a bad system is not the solution to a bad system.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Bro, I'm pulling rank. You gotta change that name.

 

[BleedingGold]

Bro, I'm pulling rank. You gotta change that name.

lol Thunderdome it is.

 

[Free Manera]

lol Thunderdome it is.

We can sort this out with Festivus feats of strength. Winner gets the name.

 

[phork]

Also can they get rid of the ridiculous 2 point over times?

 

[BleedingGold]

lol I feel him. I will work on coming up with another. I wouldn't want someone ripping me off. I remember the O'Leary affair.

 

[NorthDakota]

Also can they get rid of the ridiculous 2 point over times?

I wanna talk to whatever mouth breather came up with that idea

 

[NDPhilly]

Anything more than 8 is a joke and will lead to the long term decline of the sport at the hands of TV money. I'd much rather go back to the BCS era than have a 12 team playoff.

Michigan / OSU this past weekend is the PERFECT example of why playoff expansion is a bad idea. Both teams would have already been locked in regardless of the games outcome.

 

[Dale]

Anything more than 8 is a joke and will lead to the long term decline of the sport at the hands of TV money. I'd much rather go back to the BCS era than have a 12 team playoff.

Michigan / OSU this past weekend is the PERFECT example of why playoff expansion is a bad idea. Both teams would have already been locked in regardless of the games outcome.

But it would have decided likely a home playoff game versus not. Just like NFL and most other sports playoff structures. I’d say playing for a playoff game in the Shoe versus traveling to Tuscaloosa for example is still a worthwhile motivator

 

[Irish#1]

Anything more than 8 is a joke and will lead to the long term decline of the sport at the hands of TV money. I'd much rather go back to the BCS era than have a 12 team playoff.

Michigan / OSU this past weekend is the PERFECT example of why playoff expansion is a bad idea. Both teams would have already been locked in regardless of the games outcome.

I agree. Expand to eight.

 

[NDdomer2]

In part of the proposal for 12, did the power 5 AQ's all get guaranteed home games?

Meaning if you arent in the top two getting a bye, and even if ranked outside of top 7, you would supplant a non AQ as the home team in round 1?

or was it they just are guaranteed in the 12.

 

[wizards8507]

Anything more than 8 is a joke and will lead to the long term decline of the sport at the hands of TV money. I'd much rather go back to the BCS era than have a 12 team playoff.

I'd much rather go back to the BCS era than have a 4 team playoff.

 

[NDPhilly]

I'd much rather go back to the BCS era than have a 4 team playoff.

I don't think you can put the "Bowls don't matter" genie back in the bottle which would be a big reason for going back to the BCS

 

[Dale]

You can’t see Utah play and say that team getting in an expanded playoff and a shot at a team like Michigan would be illustrate the decline of CFB. Personal stories, getting hot at the right time, improving as the season continues is the heart of sports

 

[chicago51]

Personally I think they should they should stick with 4 teams but do the playoff selection after the bowl season. Bring back the old traditional bowl system pre-BCS. Make getting to the Rose, Sugar, Orange, Cotton, etc bowl meaningful again. Keep players going pro from opting out of bowls and keep fan bases interested in the bowls (score watching other the games, things like that). Play major bowls January 1. Playoff selection January 2. Maybe adding extra week onto the college football season is too much, but that's what I would do.

This expands the playoff in a way but at the same time you can't expect to finish 10-3 and have a shot to win the championship.

 

[Irish#1]

Personally I think they should they should stick with 4 teams but do the playoff selection after the bowl season. Bring back the old traditional bowl system pre-BCS. Make getting to the Rose, Sugar, Orange, Cotton, etc bowl meaningful again. Keep players going pro from opting out of bowls and keep fan bases interested in the bowls (score watching other the games, things like that). Play major bowls January 1. Playoff selection January 2. Maybe adding extra week onto the college football season is too much, but that's what I would do.

This expands the playoff in a way but at the same time you can't expect to finish 10-3 and have a shot to win the championship.

Excellent idea.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

So asking a question. Does the NFL playoffs produce the best team over the season? I don’t think so but what does that matter? The difference in CFB is we are so attached to rankings. Preseason rankings are a joke and meaningless and then we constantly bitch and worry about the rankings all season only to get three different rankings only one of which matters and still doesn’t achieve a satisfying result. I’d much rather have a 12 team playoff and let them play each other. Generally a Top 10-12 is easier to pick than a top 4. Get the 12 teams, re-seed them and let them play.