College Football Playoff Expansion?

[Rogue219]

8 teams, 12 teams, 16 teams.

If only three can win, only three are going to win.

I don't know if Swarbrick can lawyer his way into ND getting a better deal from this but I think ND Football is going to be in the ACC if this proposal holds up

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

yup a mediocre multiple loss Pac12 or Big12 team is gonna get a first round bye over ND some year and then everyone here gonna be pissed

Not really. The proposal says the byes to go the four highest ranked conference champions. Considering 6 conference champions make it, there will likely be an undefeated or 1 loss G5 conference champion that can take a top 4 spot if two of the P5 conference champions have multiple losses.

 

[notredomer23]

If you're in another conference, wouldn't you almost want ND to have that provision? With their current schedule, 10-2 is not a guarantee every year, meaning not a guarantee for one of the 12 spots. If they're in the ACC, ND is a lock for the playoff 9 times out of 10 meaning less spots for the other conferences. ND as is isn't getting top 4 without going undefeated which is only going to happen 2-3 times a decade.

 

[IrishLax]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/NicoleAuerbach/status/1403068197985820672[/TWEET]

That's pretty whack. Means even if we were the #1 team in the country we'd be seeded 5th.

 

[ThePiombino]

I think 12 is too many, but I also think 12 is better than 4, so I'll take it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[NDohio]

ND will be joining the ACC. No way ND gets ranked 1-4 and intentionally gets seeded less than that and has to play an extra game just becasue.

Ha - just sent this text to the Clemson fans here at work: "Your cakewalk through the ACC is almost over...Here Come The Irish..:".

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

That's pretty whack. Means even if we were the #1 team in the country we'd be seeded 5th.

Got to be worded in a way that doesnt explicitly state ND but I assume it to be any independent team.

 

[BobbyMac]

That's pretty whack. Means even if we were the #1 team in the country we'd be seeded 5th.

If I'm Swarbrick I agree to what we're being told (so far) except for when:

ND beats a top 4 team head to head. Beating OSU or Clemson in 2023 for instance.

 

[notredomer23]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1403079257233006604?s=20[/TWEET]

shitty logic IMO. A 12-0 ND has to play as the 5 seed. Let's say there are 3 upsets in conference championship week. a 9-3 15th ranked team is going to get a bye now?

This isn't happening until 2023 at least so hopefully Swarbrick will be able to iron out some provisions.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

Pete Thamel brought up a great point. If we were to be 5 instead of top 4, it means we get to host a home playoff game, which probably means a lot of money for the school. Not too bad of a consolation prize.

 

[NDRock]

ND will be joining the ACC. No way ND gets ranked 1-4 and intentionally gets seeded less than that and has to play an extra game just becasue.

Then they would have to end up playing a 13th game in a CCG anyway. I'd rather stay independent, go 12-0, and then host a 1st round playoff game than have to play Clemson in a CCG, possibly lose and then play a 14th game in your 1st round playoff game.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1403079257233006604?s=20[/TWEET]

shitty logic IMO. A 12-0 ND has to play as the 5 seed. Let's say there are 3 upsets in conference championship week. a 9-3 15th ranked team is going to get a bye now?

This isn't happening until 2023 at least so hopefully Swarbrick will be able to iron out some provisions.

Its not simple and I hate the optics. a 12-0 ND team ranked 1-2 rests on Championship week then gets seeded 5th by default. Cant deny I dont envy JS's position in that room but damn... is independence worth just to be "included" with playoff "access"?

Although a palyoff game in December likely against a southern team... what would SB be like during that?

 

[NDRock]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1403079257233006604?s=20[/TWEET]

shitty logic IMO. A 12-0 ND has to play as the 5 seed. Let's say there are 3 upsets in conference championship week. a 9-3 15th ranked team is going to get a bye now?

This isn't happening until 2023 at least so hopefully Swarbrick will be able to iron out some provisions.

I doubt a 9-3, 15th ranked team would end up being one of the top 4 ranked conference champions. If we're 5th, we'll play the #12 seed. Chances are they won't be great and it will be at home.

 

[Huntr]

Here's a more likely scenario that would chap my ass:

ND finishes 11-1 after losing to undefeated Clemson who wins the ACCCG and beating USC who wins the Pac12CG and finishes 12-1. In all likelihood, USC would get a higher seed.

 

[notredomer23]

I doubt a 9-3, 15th ranked team would end up being one of the top 4 ranked conference champions. If we're 5th, we'll play the #12 seed. Chances are they won't be great and it will be at home.

Conference championship week will give 7-5 or 8-4 teams a play-in game for the playoff. If there are enough upsets championship week, you could see a 9-3 team get a bye. Unlikely sure, but it's part of why the conference champion provision stinks IMO.

 

[NDRock]

Conference championship week will give 7-5 or 8-4 teams a play-in game for the playoff. If there are enough upsets championship week, you could see a 9-3 team get a bye. Unlikely sure, but it's part of why the conference champion provision stinks IMO.

That's always one of those popular "what ifs"? but it rarely ever happens. A quick glance at past results found the amount of times a 4 or 5 loss team won a CCG were as follows:

SEC - 0/29 games
ACC - 2/16 games (2005, 2008)
Pac 12 - 1/12 games (1996)
Pac 12 - 0/10 games
Big 10 - 1/10 games (2012)

So, 4 times in 77 games. Chances of it happening in 3 games in the same year are minimal. Hardly any teams actually qualify for the games.

 

[notredomer23]

That's always one of those popular "what ifs"? but it rarely ever happens. A quick glance at past results found the amount of times a 4 or 5 loss team won a CCG were as follows:

SEC - 0/29 games
ACC - 2/16 games (2005, 2008)
Pac 12 - 1/12 games (1996)
Pac 12 - 0/10 games
Big 10 - 1/10 games (2012)

So, 4 times in 77 games. Chances of it happening in 3 games in the same year are minimal. Hardly any teams actually qualify for the games.

I took it to the extreme but the point stands that occasionally, we are going to see a 10 win team that would be a 12 seed get a bye over ND or another deserving team.

Anywho, sounds irrelevant:

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/1403097019770707970[/TWEET]

 

[Rogue219]

Its not simple and I hate the optics. a 12-0 ND team ranked 1-2 rests on Championship week then gets seeded 5th by default. Cant deny I dont envy JS's position in that room but damn... is independence worth just to be "included" with playoff "access"?

Although a palyoff game in December likely against a southern team... what would SB be like during that?

This is all starting to feel like ND is the Shelly "The Machine" Levine of Glengary Glen Ross.

 

[Huntr]

This is about participation trophies and playoff money, nothing more.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

The 8 best are the 8 best.

But, it's why they're doing the system this way instead of the best way - too many bitch programs that are bad at football need their participation trophies.

Yup, specifically PAC 12 and Big 12.

Should've just kept it at 4 and made the next 4 teams the football NIT for the participation trophies lol.

This doesn't make college football better. Waters down the reg season and gives Bama and Clemson a few more subpar teams to smash.

 

[benneboy]

If you're in another conference, wouldn't you almost want ND to have that provision? With their current schedule, 10-2 is not a guarantee every year, meaning not a guarantee for one of the 12 spots. If they're in the ACC, ND is a lock for the playoff 9 times out of 10 meaning less spots for the other conferences. ND as is isn't getting top 4 without going undefeated which is only going to happen 2-3 times a decade.

This literally just happened like 6 months ago

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I’m sure ND is all broken up over the fact that if a top 4 team, they will be forced to host a prime home game in a national spotlight instead of getting a bye.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

I’m sure ND is all broken up over the fact that if a top 4 team, they will be forced to host a prime home game in a national spotlight instead of getting a bye.

Maybe, but let's not pretend that it's not a disadvantage. The school loves exposure, but for a team that shits the bed every playoff game (and most big games), this is not an attractive layout.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Well, IMO, a few years of playoff games at home against #12 seems like a good way to buck that perception.

 

[NDRock]

Maybe, but let's not pretend that it's not a disadvantage. The school loves exposure, but for a team that shits the bed every playoff game (and most big games), this is not an attractive layout.

I don't know. A 5th seed means you are playing a 12 seed at home. That's better than having to join a conference. I'll take that trade.

 

[Armyirish47]

I don't know. A 5th seed means you are playing a 12 seed at home. That's better than having to join a conference. I'll take that trade.

I agree, then you would get the 4 seed at a neutral site which would be the weakest conference champ of the top 4.

 

[notredomer23]

This literally just happened like 6 months ago

hence 2-3 times a decade?

 

[NorthDakota]

Well, IMO, a few years of playoff games at home against #12 seems like a good way to buck that perception.

We've all been dreaming of a NY6 game against a G5. This could become the norm lol

 

[BobbyMac]

This is great. I get an extra game. If ND's good enough for it to matter, they'll get a lay down at home and then get a #3 or #4 seed on a neutral field.

Can't have it all. Independence has a price.

Plus, now you can play some big money games and a second loss isn't the end of your hopes.

Swarbrick and the Admin seeing Big Bucks and less Whammy's

 

[irishff1014]

To me this is all about money. The rich talented teams with still be there leading the pack. Let’s face it we struggle terribly against Clemson now and still will in this case. Clemson and us are close in recruiting but their skill players blow ours out of the water. So it’s unlikely that ND wins the championship in the first place. I love this football team as much as anyone but we have to face the facts. We talk about ND being every other teams super bowl and blah blah can you see us playing 10, 11, or 12 and them bringing their best and ND losing. That will be a worse case scenario. But if we join the acc we get to have a much easier schedule.