Colin Cowherd

[ACamp1900]

I like Mike & Mike. Also I dont see Ryan Russilo as a shock jock

Yeah I forget about Mike and Mike, I can stand to listen to them, the others all seem like Cowherd lite to me, they all say the same stuff but try to mask their troll intentions... I am with Jayhawk on Patrick and Rich E. though...

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I like Mike & Mike. Also I dont see Ryan Russilo as a shock jock

Mike and Mike are dorks. You may not like the show (I think it's decent), but they're not shock jocks. You could argue that LeBatard is, but I don't see it. I think he's just having fun. It's not the same over-masculine stuff that I tend to hear from the Fox Sports crowd when I flip over there. That's my definition of shock jock.

 

[NCND]

Great move by Fox on the programming side but I'm with most here, I don't like listening to him. I like HOW he thinks, I just can't stand his voice and the things he likes.

Anything that diversifies the 24/7 sports news cycle is great news to me. ESPN is just too powerful and agenda driven. They were discussing SEC football, showing their FPI Rankings and stopped at #6. The Irish sit at #7 and they weren't about to show them there even though #8 - #11 were all SEC schools too. That's blatant.

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I've seen numerous things through the years like this regarding ND coverage. I stopped watching. Example, Many a SEC players committed on signing day and were talked about.. Their #5 rated RB Dexter Williams commits and not a damn peep. No biggie but this is just one of many examples of ESPN's POOR coverage of ND.

 

[wizards8507]

+1. Let's be freakin real.

Maybe... JUST MAYBE... ESPN talks about the SEC more because the SEC is actually the best conference in football. Who gets more NFL coverage, the Patriots and the Seahawks, or the Jaguars and the Titans? It's no different.

Pop quiz: Who owns the rights to the SEC game of the week, every single week?
Answer: CBS

ESPN's secret hate list revealed! - Corn Nation

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Maybe... JUST MAYBE... ESPN talks about the SEC more because the SEC is actually the best conference in football. Who gets more NFL coverage, the Patriots and the Seahawks, or the Jaguars and the Titans? It's no different.

Pop quiz: Who owns the rights to the SEC game of the week, every single week?
Answer: CBS

I know you're going to get drilled for being a corporate shill, but I think you're right on here. I've pointed out many times...any non-ND fan I talk to thinks that we get way more positive press than we deserve given our record for the last decade or so.

 

[wizards8507]

I know you're going to get drilled for being a corporate shill, but I think you're right on here. I've pointed out many times...any non-ND fan I talk to thinks that we get way more positive press than we deserve given our record for the last decade or so.

Exactly. Every non-ND fan thinks ESPN is on ND's nuts. ND fans think ESPN hates them. When the fans think you hate them and the haters think you love them, that's usually a decent indication that you're somewhere in the middle.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Maybe... JUST MAYBE... ESPN talks about the SEC more because the SEC is actually the best conference in football. Who gets more NFL coverage, the Patriots and the Seahawks, or the Jaguars and the Titans? It's no different.

Pop quiz: Who owns the rights to the SEC game of the week, every single week?
Answer: CBS

ESPN's secret hate list revealed! - Corn Nation

The numbers from last year appear to disagree with you, probably just bias

 

[wizards8507]

The numbers from last year appear to disagree with you, probably just bias

Bowl record is a ridiculously stupid way to compare the conferences. Conference USA was 4-1. Is your official position that Conference USA is superior to the ACC and Big 12? That sample size is meaningless.

 

[IrishLax]

Realize that Fox Sports now has both Clay Travis and Cowherd as headliners.

ESPN is becoming the lesser of two evils.

 

[wizards8507]

Is national sports talk radio a big deal where y'all are from? It's always been Boston stations for me. Never even occurred to me to listen to a national show.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Is national sports talk radio a big deal where y'all are from? It's always been Boston stations for me. Never even occurred to me to listen to a national show.

Our local stuff doesn't kick on until mid afternoon. Then the ESPN affiliate goes local. The Fox station is national all day.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Maybe... JUST MAYBE... ESPN talks about the SEC more because the SEC is actually the best conference in football. Who gets more NFL coverage, the Patriots and the Seahawks, or the Jaguars and the Titans? It's no different.

Pop quiz: Who owns the rights to the SEC game of the week, every single week?
Answer: CBS

ESPN's secret hate list revealed! - Corn Nation

Exactly. Every non-ND fan thinks ESPN is on ND's nuts. ND fans think ESPN hates them. When the fans think you hate them and the haters think you love them, that's usually a decent indication that you're somewhere in the middle.

I don't think that about ESPN, at all. I think they play it up when we are down, and they play it up when we are good. Ratings = $$$.

As for your theory on the SEC...first of all, the Pac 12 is right there with them, and they don't get NEARLY the pub on ESPN. It's such a wide difference it's laughable. It's beyond laughable that they (and guys like you) try and defend their completely obvious conflict of interest with themselves and the SEC, especially with the SEC Network.

ESPN drives the sports world's narrative in college football. It really does. And they pound the SEC down our throats. And the SEC schedules like masters. Play no one on the road in the non-conference, win all these easy games, beat up on each other to make themselves look like the best, and let ESPN say how great you are. Polls follow. Championships (many earned, a few not so much) follow.

Just look at last year. We were expected to believe (by ESPN chiefly) that the SEC West was the greatest thing since sliced bread. I got on here multiple times to say what a crock it was, as they hadn't played anyone, and when they did play a team with a pulse, they were closer-than-should-be games. Low and behold, when they actually played teams in the bowl games, they got their asses handed to them. The Pac 12 was simply better last year, top to bottom.

Like anywhere in any business, there are people at ESPN who love ND and who absolutely hate ND. So I personally don't buy that narrative. But please, there is no doubt whatsoever, that the ESPN and the SEC are in bed together. And if you doubt that, go look at FOUR days of College Football Live with non-stop SEC Media Day coverage (as well as round-the-clock coverage on the SEC Network) in comparison with their PAc 12 coverage of media day, in which they'll focus on it for about 10 minutes of programming before going on to other stories. It's a joke.

 

[BobbyMac]

So the answer to your prayers about how ESPN is too powerful and agenda driven is... 21st Century Fox? As in, 21st Century Fox, of Rupert Murdoch fame, is not too powerful and agenda driven?

My point is ESPN controls the pop culture of sports. It dictates what is cool, it makes news, it doesn't just report it or televise it. In sports, Fox, NBC and CBS combined aren't half of what ESPN is alone, forget ABC's piggyback efforts. So if Fox can figure out how to become ESPN like, or FoxNews like for that matter, where they become as much pop culture as a sports news & programming then I'm all for it.

Don't be ridiculous. ESPN has one agenda. MONEY. Money = ratings = audience = fans. That means Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Notre Dame, and Texas are on the same playing field as the SEC.

I totally agree and that's what they are in business for, making a profit by promoting their properties. If my company had a deal with the SEC and not ND, You'd never hear me talk about ND unless I was getting value out of it somehow. The B1G teams and Texas are NOT on the same playing field as far as visibility though The B1G Network is cool, I like it for what it is but it's like comparing Lost in Space to Star Wars when compared to ESPN. I'm not talking how much each team makes from tv deals, I'm talking visibility both at gametime and in other programming that fills the other 6 days. I'm sitting here watching the SEC media day on ESPN and they just threw in Ohio St for a 5 minute conversation and then it's back to all SEC.

ETA: Also, Notre Dame is not at number 7 in the FPI anymore. We were, but the initial rankings were compiled with the assumption that we'd be returning our starting quarterback. We're now at 18.

Thanks for pointing that out. When I Googled it this morning, the top result was the initial poll. I didn't know they were updating them this far out. The initial poll came out the same day EG announced he was leaving which as you pointed out, was why they were at #7. Thanks.


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[IrishLax]

Bowl record is a ridiculously stupid way to compare the conferences. Conference USA was 4-1. Is your official position that Conference USA is superior to the ACC and Big 12? That sample size is meaningless.

No, it isn't. Because no one uses your Conference USA straw man. They look at the SEC's record against other Power 5 conferences and it isn't pretty.

The SEC West came into bowl season with five ranked teams. They all lost (some decidedly) in games where they were favorites. That epitomizes being overrated. That is not a small sample size. Those 5 OOC games against other Power 5 teams is roughly one-third of the total OOC games against other Power 5 teams that the SEC West played last season.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I don't think that about ESPN, at all. I think they play it up when we are down, and they play it up when we are good. Ratings = $$$.

As for your theory on the SEC...first of all, the Pac 12 is right there with them, and they don't get NEARLY the pub on ESPN. It's such a wide difference it's laughable. It's beyond laughable that they (and guys like you) try and defend their completely obvious conflict of interest with themselves and the SEC, especially with the SEC Network.

ESPN drives the sports world's narrative in college football. It really does. And they pound the SEC down our throats. And the SEC schedules like masters. Play no one on the road in the non-conference, win all these easy games, beat up on each other to make themselves look like the best, and let ESPN say how great you are. Polls follow. Championships (many earned, a few not so much) follow.

Just look at last year. We were expected to believe (by ESPN chiefly) that the SEC West was the greatest thing since sliced bread. I got on here multiple times to say what a crock it was, as they hadn't played anyone, and when they did play a team with a pulse, they were closer-than-should-be games. Low and behold, when they actually played teams in the bowl games, they got their asses handed to them. The Pac 12 was simply better last year, top to bottom.

Like anywhere in any business, there are people at ESPN who love ND and who absolutely hate ND. So I personally don't buy that narrative. But please, there is no doubt whatsoever, that the ESPN and the SEC are in bed together. And if you doubt that, go look at FOUR days of College Football Live with non-stop SEC Media Day coverage (as well as round-the-clock coverage on the SEC Network) in comparison with their PAc 12 coverage of media day, in which they'll focus on it for about 10 minutes of programming before going on to other stories. It's a joke.

There's some truth to the coverage being too much last year, as it was for ND. But that's based on the fact that they had won 7 of the last 8 national titles. Lots of people on ESPN ripped the SEC during the bowl season.

 

[IrishLax]

I don't think that about ESPN, at all. I think they play it up when we are down, and they play it up when we are good. Ratings = $$$.

As for your theory on the SEC...first of all, the Pac 12 is right there with them, and they don't get NEARLY the pub on ESPN. It's such a wide difference it's laughable. It's beyond laughable that they (and guys like you) try and defend their completely obvious conflict of interest with themselves and the SEC, especially with the SEC Network.

ESPN drives the sports world's narrative in college football. It really does. And they pound the SEC down our throats. And the SEC schedules like masters. Play no one on the road in the non-conference, win all these easy games, beat up on each other to make themselves look like the best, and let ESPN say how great you are. Polls follow. Championships (many earned, a few not so much) follow.

Just look at last year. We were expected to believe (by ESPN chiefly) that the SEC West was the greatest thing since sliced bread. I got on here multiple times to say what a crock it was, as they hadn't played anyone, and when they did play a team with a pulse, they were closer-than-should-be games. Low and behold, when they actually played teams in the bowl games, they got their asses handed to them. The Pac 12 was simply better last year, top to bottom.

Like anywhere in any business, there are people at ESPN who love ND and who absolutely hate ND. So I personally don't buy that narrative. But please, there is no doubt whatsoever, that the ESPN and the SEC are in bed together. And if you doubt that, go look at FOUR days of College Football Live with non-stop SEC Media Day coverage (as well as round-the-clock coverage on the SEC Network) in comparison with their PAc 12 coverage of media day, in which they'll focus on it for about 10 minutes of programming before going on to other stories. It's a joke.

The PAC12 South is arguably better than the SEC West... and unless Florida or Georgia takes a big step forward, I don't see how anyone in their right mind says the SEC is the "best conference."

 

[wizards8507]

I'm sitting here watching the SEC media day on ESPN and they just threw in Ohio St for a 5 minute conversation and then it's back to all SEC.

Why would they speak prominently about Ohio State at "SEC media day?" It's SEC media day.

Separately, this notion that the SEC Network is some kind of ratings behemoth is laughable. The big games are not on the SEC Network, they're on CBS or the "regular" ESPN channels with the rest of the conferences. ESPN has broadcast rights with every single power five conference and then some. Hyping the top SEC teams drives audiences to the top SEC games, which are on CBS every week. You'll notice that the Kentucky - Vanderbilt games don't get much chatter on ESPN. Well those are the types of games you'll find on SECN.

The PAC12 South is arguably better than the SEC West... and unless Florida or Georgia takes a big step forward, I don't see how anyone in their right mind says the SEC is the "best conference."

You're right, "the best conference" is too simplistic. But I think it's a mistake to evaluate conferences based on top-to-bottom criteria. Nobody cares about the bottom dwellers in any conference. So the criteria is not "what is the best conference," but "in what conference are the best teams"?

 

[ACamp1900]

Why would they speak prominently about Ohio State at "SEC media day?" It's SEC media day,... 365 days a year...

fify

 

[Blaise]

I know I am in the wayyyyyyy minority, but I like Mike and Mike, RR, and Bomani's radio shows for Espn...

I loved Colin's sunday football show and that is probably what I am most disappointed I am going to miss this season...

 

[IrishLion]

I only watch ESPN for live games. I literally don't turn to any of their channels for anything else anymore, and I've never been a big radio guy.

*I will tune in to CFB Live if I know BK is making an appearance, or if I know that they will have a focused segment on ND.

 

[wizards8507]

I only watch ESPN for live games. I literally don't turn to any of their channels for anything else anymore, and I've never been a big radio guy.

*I will tune in to CFB Live if I know BK is making an appearance, or if I know that they will have a focused segment on ND.

Get up. It's GameDay.

 

[NCND]

Get up. It's GameDay.

let's see that 4 day live coverage of PAC-12 media day... Thought so.

 

[IrishLion]

Get up. It's GameDay.

I consider GameDay as "live game coverage."

I will say that GameDay would be a disaster without Herbstreit and Pollack. I like those guys when it comes to CFB info.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

No, it isn't. Because no one uses your Conference USA straw man. They look at the SEC's record against other Power 5 conferences and it isn't pretty.

The SEC West came into bowl season with five ranked teams. They all lost (some decidedly) in games where they were favorites. That epitomizes being overrated. That is not a small sample size. Those 5 OOC games against other Power 5 teams is roughly one-third of the total OOC games against other Power 5 teams that the SEC West played last season.

And boom goes the dynamite.

I can't say it any better.

Wiz?

 

[wizards8507]

I consider GameDay as "live game coverage."

I will say that GameDay would be a disaster without Herbstreit and Pollack. I like those guys when it comes to CFB info.

Herbstreit is the best in the business, IMO. Both on GameDay and the 8:00 game.

And boom goes the dynamite.

I can't say it any better.

Wiz?

1. Five games is not a significant sample size. 30 instances is commonly accepted as a sufficient sample size to make statistical observations, though some sources say 20 or 50. Nothing anywhere says 5.

2. ESPN whupped on the SEC after bowl season, acknowledging that they may have been overrated (and possibly significantly so). Irish fans got pissy about that, too. Funny how all of a sudden you WANT SEC hype when you play and beat an SEC team (on a blown call I might add).

 

[NCND]

It was a bad call. Doesn't take away the fact that ND ran up and down their fk'n throats.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Herbstreit is the best in the business, IMO. Both on GameDay and the 8:00 game.


1. Five games is not a significant sample size. 30 instances is commonly accepted as a sufficient sample size to make statistical observations, though some sources say 20 or 50. Nothing anywhere says 5.

2. ESPN whupped on the SEC after bowl season, acknowledging that they may have been overrated (and possibly significantly so). Irish fans got pissy about that, too. Funny how all of a sudden you WANT SEC hype when you play and beat an SEC team (on a blown call I might add).

Hold up, you think we won that game because of a blown call? Seriously?

And how great of ESPN to casually discuss how the SEC MIGHT have been overrated, when they were the ones overrating them LOL. There was no 'might' about it...they were vastly overrated.

Still waiting for you to retort my earlier post on how there is no conflict of interest with the SEC/ESPN, especially with the SEC Network now involved.

 

[wizards8507]

Hold up, you think we won that game because of a blown call? Seriously?

A blown call was made and that call cost LSU points. Obviously we have no way of knowing how the game would have played out if it had been made correctly. Butterfly effect and shit.

Still waiting for you to retort my earlier post on how there is no conflict of interest with the SEC/ESPN, especially with the SEC Network now involved.

I already did. ESPN has deals of various degrees of lucrativeness (lucrativity? lucre?) with all of the conferences. That means they have "conflict of interest" with everyone. Conflict of interest with everyone isn't conflict of interest. The SEC Network creates no more of a pro-SEC conflict of interest than Notre Dame vs. Florida State at 8:00 on ABC would create a pro-Notre Dame or pro-Florida State conflict of interest.

 

[IrishLion]

So you don't think an ENTIRE NETWORK dedicated to 24/7 coverage of ONE CONFERENCE is different from 4 hours on a Saturday night?

 

[Legacy]

Why would they speak prominently about Ohio State at "SEC media day?" It's SEC media day.

OHIO STATE FAN TEAMS UP WITH AUBURN FAN TO TROLL THE TIDE AT SEC MEDIA DAYS' ALABAMA DAY

With the Big Ten media days ahead, turnabout is fair play. I just want to know if SEC fans will travel (to this) outside the South.