Colin Cowherd

[ARALOU]

Whatever dude. I am telling what was said by Zim himself. I could give two shits about Pedro.

 

[Irish2155]

Whatever dude. I am telling what was said by Zim himself. I could give two shits about Pedro.

Best 7 inning pitcher of all time...8 and 9 always made me nervous as a Red Sox fan.

Maybe he was better when he pitched north of the border but I really wish Tito would have went to the pen sooner a lot of the time.

When folks speak of the best starters of all time...Pedro is held back because he didn't finish like the others. My opinion.

Who the hell is Colin Cowturd?

 

[IrishJayhawk]

....But he was 72. You don't think Pedro could have made it out of there without harm without throwing him to the ground by the head?

I remember thinking it looked bad during the first viewing. But it was pretty clear that Pedro was not in the wrong at all. He sort of shuffled Zimmer off to the side to keep him away. It happened to be that Zim led with his head.

 

[Irish YJ]

I remember thinking it looked bad during the first viewing. But it was pretty clear that Pedro was not in the wrong at all. He sort of shuffled Zimmer off to the side to keep him away. It happened to be that Zim led with his head.

yup. and what should have Pedro done.... just ran away. Zimmer initiated it. Being old doesn't give you an automatic "free to start shit" card.

 

[ARALOU]

Best I recall, Clemens started the whole thing by throwing at Ramirez, but Pedro had a few buzzers too. I was hoping both teams would beat each other up. Didnt caaaaarrre! Still don't care now, but I do remember it.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Pedro himself said he regrets it and wishes he had handled it differently. Plenty of blame to go around.

 

[Seanthornton]

He's a shock jock........catering to people who are goofy enough to listen to him. He will be gone soon and on FOX. Hopefully he will dry up and blow away. Wont miss his stupid analogies....half of the time he's talking about Hollywood and NON sports stuff. I stopped listening to him years ago.

 

[Irish#1]

Best 7 inning pitcher of all time...8 and 9 always made me nervous as a Red Sox fan.

Maybe he was better when he pitched north of the border but I really wish Tito would have went to the pen sooner a lot of the time.

When folks speak of the best starters of all time...Pedro is held back because he didn't finish like the others. My opinion.

Who the hell is Colin Cowturd?

Sandy Kofax and he usually went 9.

 

[BGIF]

Best 7 inning pitcher of all time...8 and 9 always made me nervous as a Red Sox fan.

Maybe he was better when he pitched north of the border but I really wish Tito would have went to the pen sooner a lot of the time.

When folks speak of the best starters of all time...Pedro is held back because he didn't finish like the others. My opinion.

Who the hell is Colin Cowturd?

Sandy Kofax and he usually went 9.

"Best 7 inning pitcher of all time" is difficult to pin down. I spent an hour looking at various stats but how do you prove that? ERA/7 innings? Where do I find it?

Pedro only had 46 Complete Games in his career. Koufax had 27 in EACH of list last two seasons. He was as dominant in the 8th and 9th inning, as I recall, but can't prove other than the complete game states.

I read one article this morning on whether Pedro was the best Latino pitcher ever. Luis Tiant won more games in Boston with a less talented supporting cast.

Pedro won a couple of Cy Young's while his avatar won 7 for 4 different teams.

Pedro is HOF caliber but among the career stat leaders the only place that I saw him ranked among the Great Ones not just HOFers was W.A.R. He was 17th All-Time, higher than a lot of pretty good pitchers but "best 7 inning pitcher of all time" ...

 

[IrishJayhawk]

"Best 7 inning pitcher of all time" is difficult to pin down. I spent an hour looking at various stats but how do you prove that? ERA/7 innings? Where do I find it?

Pedro only had 46 Complete Games in his career. Koufax had 27 in EACH of list last two seasons. He was as dominant in the 8th and 9th inning, as I recall, but can't prove other than the complete game states.

Totally different era though. Pedro was among the league leaders in CGs a handful of times.

Complete Games
1996 NL 4 (7th)
1997 NL 13 (1st)
1999 AL 5 (4th)
2000 AL 7 (2nd)
2003 AL 3 (7th)
2005 NL 4 (3rd)

Koufax led the league in those two years you mention, but he wasn't even the only guy with over 20. He threw 320+ innings both of those seasons. There's not a manager alive who would allow his starting pitcher to do either of those things today.

He's an all time great...no question. Just a different era.

 

[ND NYC]

Not really. The NBA didn't shun ESPN when Colin made personal attacks on some of their players. His personal attacks on John Wall is a prime example. Where was ESPN then? This has more to do with Colin already exiting for FOX than the network "taking a stand."

this

 

[Canton_Irish]

Totally different era though. Pedro was among the league leaders in CGs a handful of times.

Complete Games
1996 NL 4 (7th)
1997 NL 13 (1st)
1999 AL 5 (4th)
2000 AL 7 (2nd)
2003 AL 3 (7th)
2005 NL 4 (3rd)

Koufax led the league in those two years you mention, but he wasn't even the only guy with over 20. He threw 320+ innings both of those seasons. There's not a manager alive who would allow his starting pitcher to do either of those things today.

He's an all time great...no question. Just a different era.

Certainly a different era and while I'm no Pedro fan, he did perform at the level he did at the height of the Steroid Era. Also, if you let Pedro throw off the mound Koufax pitched off of in the mid to late 60s, no one may have ever scored off Pedro.

I hated him then and I definitely think he was almost entirely in the wrong for the Zimmer incident. An old man comes running up to you, you don't throw him on the ground. Unbelievable talent though, would have loved to have his right arm.

 

[GoldenDome]

Totally different era though. Pedro was among the league leaders in CGs a handful of times.

Complete Games
1996 NL 4 (7th)
1997 NL 13 (1st)
1999 AL 5 (4th)
2000 AL 7 (2nd)
2003 AL 3 (7th)
2005 NL 4 (3rd)

Koufax led the league in those two years you mention, but he wasn't even the only guy with over 20. He threw 320+ innings both of those seasons. There's not a manager alive who would allow his starting pitcher to do either of those things today.

He's an all time great...no question. Just a different era.

Interesting you bring up era, because Pedro pitched through an era with rampant steroid use. His feats are that more impressive.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Jonah Keri's piece on Grantland is worth checking out, but this excerpt does a good job of putting Pedro into context:

Pedro’s Red Sox years were transcendent, and seeing him at Fenway in his Boston prime became a near-religious experience. As impressive as Sandy Koufax, Maddux, Johnson, and other all-time greats were in their prime, no pitcher in baseball history was better at the height of his power than Pedro was in 1999 and 2000. In those two seasons, he ran a 1.90 ERA across 430.1 innings, struck out 597 (?!?!) batters, walked 69, and allowed just 288 hits and 26 home runs. Remember: This came during the heart of the PED era. Pedro’s league-adjusted ERA in 2000 was the best by any starting pitcher in 120 years. And by fielding-independent-based Wins Above Replacement, Pedro’s 1999 season was the best by any pitcher ever.

I was in high school during Pedro's pinnacle and I doubt I will ever see another athlete so brilliant again in my lifetime. That's why I took my five week old son to Cooperstown on Sunday, so when I tell him about my favorite baseball player someday, I can also tell him he was there to see him inducted into the hall of fame. I'll also be at Fenway tonight when they retire his number.

If you're more into accumulating career totals over many years, I'll never convince you Pedro was the greatest ever; but if I had one game to win and my life depended on it, I'd take Pedro at his peak over anyone who has ever thrown a baseball. All due respect to Koufax and Gibson and all the other greats.

Also, not sure we are still talking about Cowherd here, but if you confuse a formal education with intellectual aptitude then you are likely lacking both.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Interesting you bring up era, because Pedro pitched through an era with rampant steroid use. His feats are that more impressive.

I agree. His WHIP was .737 in 2000. That's criminal...also the best in history.

Single-Season Leaders &amp Records for Walks & Hits per IP | Baseball-Reference.com

 

[Rhode Irish]

Best 7 inning pitcher of all time...8 and 9 always made me nervous as a Red Sox fan.

Maybe he was better when he pitched north of the border but I really wish Tito would have went to the pen sooner a lot of the time.

Tito only had him for one season. It was Grady Little that infamously left him in in game 7 of the 2003 ALCS. I don't think you can hold lack of complete games against him. In modern baseball, starters only finish games if they are at at or under 100 pitches going into the 9th, or they're working on a no-hitter. In either case, you're talking about a rare occurrence. Guys only finish games when they're having a great game. It obviously was not always that way, but that isn't Pedro's fault.

 

[GoIrish41]

Jonah Keri's piece on Grantland is worth checking out, but this excerpt does a good job of putting Pedro into context:



I was in high school during Pedro's pinnacle and I doubt I will ever see another athlete so brilliant again in my lifetime. That's why I took my five week old son to Cooperstown on Sunday, so when I tell him about my favorite baseball player someday, I can also tell him he was there to see him inducted into the hall of fame. I'll also be at Fenway tonight when they retire his number.

If you're more into accumulating career totals over many years, I'll never convince you Pedro was the greatest ever; but if I had one game to win and my life depended on it, I'd take Pedro at his peak over anyone who has ever thrown a baseball. All due respect to Koufax and Gibson and all the other greats.

Also, not sure we are still talking about Cowherd here, but if you confuse a formal education with intellectual aptitude then you are likely lacking both.

great stuff, man!

 

[Kingbish01]

Colin Cowherd: Wisconsin is a better program than Notre Dame

Although I hate to say it, he really seemed to put the last 20 years in perspective. UGH

 

[NorthDakota]

Colin Cowherd: Wisconsin is a better program than Notre Dame

Although I hate to say it, he really seemed to put the last 20 years in perspective. UGH

Colin Cowherd is a loser. Never been a fan of his.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Wasn't the last time he went off like this pre-2012 season? Which we went on the the championship?

I'll take it.

(or am I thinking of Rick Reiley? or both)

 

[Kingbish01]

Colin Cowherd is a loser. Never been a fan of his.

Be that as it may, unless he was flat out lying those facts were a tough pill to swallow.

 

[Kingbish01]

Wasn't the last time he went off like this pre-2012 season? Which we went on the the championship?

I'll take it.

(or am I thinking of Rick Reiley? or both)

I like the way you think!

 

[NDohio]

Colin Cowherd: Wisconsin is a better program than Notre Dame

Although I hate to say it, he really seemed to put the last 20 years in perspective. UGH

Notre Dame fans would be completely unsatisfied with winning 10+ games every year in the Big Ten West and losing in the Rose Bowl most years...

 

[D-BOE34]

I think he did a good job of making his point but he is missing a lot of really big factors IMO.

1. How many bowl teams did Wiscy play versus ND payed?
2. He talks about we make our own schedule as a bad thing. How are the 2 ranked over the 20 years? Did ND have a much softer schedule?
3. How many Top 10 wins does Wiscy have those 20 years versus ND?

Again, I can;t argue how he made his point.

 

[BabyIrish]

Colin Cowherd: Wisconsin is a better program than Notre Dame

Although I hate to say it, he really seemed to put the last 20 years in perspective. UGH

While Wisconsin might have had better football success we're still more powerful than Wisconsin, period. They don't attract talent like we do. We just need coaches to stay focused in more than one year.

 

[NorthDakota]

While Wisconsin might have had better football success we're still more powerful than Wisconsin, period. They don't attract talent like we do. We just need coaches to stay focused in more than one year.

Coaches don't leave South Bemd for f'ing Fayetteville either.

 

[IrishLax]

Guys, he literally sits down in a production meeting and comes up with how he's going to troll for clicks/listens. His views are completely inauthentic... he'll completely contradict himself a week later taking the opposite point of view just for fun. I can't believe anyone listens to him.

Clay Travis is 100x more interesting if you're inclined to listen to troll-ish radio. At least Travis has original thought and intriguing things to say.

 

[IrishLax]

Also, if ND played in that division of the Big Ten... a division so soft an Iowa team with zero talent can go undefeated... it'd be worth probably 1.5 wins a year.

 

[NorthDakota]

Also, if ND played in that division of the Big Ten... a division so soft an Iowa team with zero talent can go undefeated... it'd be worth probably 1.5 wins a year.

Iowa, UM-TC, Nebraska, Illinois, NW, Purdue.

Yum.

 

[NorthDakota]

Also, if ND played in that division of the Big Ten... a division so soft an Iowa team with zero talent can go undefeated... it'd be worth probably 1.5 wins a year.

Iowa loses at home to a freakin' fcs team and goes 4-2 in that division.