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[Irish#1]

I suspect things are in the works to get MF a nice bump.

 

[Bane]

I don't see how it's not Freshwater at UF.

I think that's who it will end up being.

 

[ulukinatme]

That new Cignetti deal feels an awful lot like the Charlie Weis renegotiation. The Illinois game was obviously not as big as originally thought, they weren't that good, so really all Cig has is a decent win over Oregon at this point. That feels a bit weak as the only big win on the resume to command one of the biggest salaries in college football.

 

[stlnd01]

That new Cignetti deal feels an awful lot like the Charlie Weis renegotiation. The Illinois game was obviously not as big as originally thought, they weren't that good, so really all Cig has is a decent win over Oregon at this point. That feels a bit weak as the only big win on the resume to command one of the biggest salaries in college football.

To be fair the other thing that happened is Penn State opening up.

 

[NDFAN2008]

Really annoying seeing MFs name coming up on everyone's first want. ND is gonna have to pay up

Yep I would guess somewhere around 13-14 million per year gets it done. You either pay up or someone else will

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

They are now, but they’ve now been cursed and blessed with expectations. They will have to deal with that accordingly.

They were 3-9, 1-8 in 2023.

I say let them enjoy it. They've never been here before. By 2028, this is more than likely going to look like a mistake.

I don't like the guy either, but IU is upsetting the order of things. I think that's good for ND. Penn State with all of their prestige and all of their resources were able to get Cignetti an extension and raise within four days. I think it's hilarious.

 

[Wild Bill]

They were 3-9, 1-8 in 2023.

I say let them enjoy it. They've never been here before. By 2028, this is more than likely going to look like a mistake.

I don't like the guy either, but IU is upsetting the order of things. I think that's good for ND. Penn State with all of their prestige and all of their resources were able to get Cignetti an extension and raise within four days. I think it's hilarious.

What could possibly go wrong with guaranteeing $100M to a guy who’s coached 20 games and hasn’t won a damn thing for you?

 

[IRISHDODGER]

That new Cignetti deal feels an awful lot like the Charlie Weis renegotiation. The Illinois game was obviously not as big as originally thought, they weren't that good, so really all Cig has is a decent win over Oregon at this point. That feels a bit weak as the only big win on the resume to command one of the biggest salaries in college football.

Yeah but Weis lost. Cignetti at least has “proof of concept”. Then you gotta factor in how low the bar is in Bloomington. At ND it was much higher but the idiot AD got pantsed by Weis’ agent.

 

[The Backer]

Is Chip Kelly a name to think about?

 

[Bane]

Yeah but Weis lost. Cignetti at least has “proof of concept”. Then you gotta factor in how low the bar is in Bloomington. At ND it was much higher but the idiot AD got pantsed by Weis’ agent.

Well tbf to Weis 2005 USC >>>>>>> 2025 Oregon.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

What could possibly go wrong with guaranteeing $100M to a guy who’s coached 20 games and hasn’t won a damn thing for you?

You tell me....

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Is Chip Kelly a name to think about?

I'm going to say no. He's back in the League as an OC. I think he rides it out beyond The Wall where he lives out the rest of his days with the professional wildlings.

I think they have to go all in on Matt Rhule at this point.

 

[Bane]

I'm going to say no. He's back in the League as an OC. I think he rides it out beyond The Wall where he lives out the rest of his days with the professional wildlings.

I think they have to go all in on Matt Rhule at this point.

Yeah I agree, I don’t think Chip wants the big chair anymore. He stepped down as a HC to OC in college just a year ago. I think he likes just pure coaching and schemes.

 

[SportsingHard]

That new Cignetti deal feels an awful lot like the Charlie Weis renegotiation. The Illinois game was obviously not as big as originally thought, they weren't that good, so really all Cig has is a decent win over Oregon at this point. That feels a bit weak as the only big win on the resume to command one of the biggest salaries in college football.

Literally the only evidence we have that Illinois is not a strong football team is Indiana beating the ever-loving shit out of them. They beat USC and kept things far more respectable against OSU despite losing the turnover battle 3-0. For example, they had 22 first downs to OSU's 17, whereas they lost the first down battle to IU 9-31.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Literally the only evidence we have that Illinois is not a strong football team is Indiana beating the ever-loving shit out of them. They beat USC and kept things far more respectable against OSU despite losing the turnover battle 3-0. For example, they had 22 first downs to OSU's 17, whereas they lost the first down battle to IU 9-31.

They had SC boat raced were it not for their RBs coughing it up twice in the EZ and SC recovering.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Literally the only evidence we have that Illinois is not a strong football team is Indiana beating the ever-loving shit out of them. They beat USC and kept things far more respectable against OSU despite losing the turnover battle 3-0. For example, they had 22 first downs to OSU's 17, whereas they lost the first down battle to IU 9-31.

They had SC boat raced were it not for their RBs coughing it up twice in the EZ and SC recovering.

Whatever happens from here, Illinois is IU's second best win to Oregon. I don't even know what third is.

If U of I wins at Washington tomorrow, they could probably run out the table and go 10-2. They're probably 9-3 at worst. Maryland at home is probably a tougher game than Wisconsin away.

To this point, U of I being blown out at IU was an anomaly unless they show otherwise.

 

[ulukinatme]

Yeah but Weis lost. Cignetti at least has “proof of concept”. Then you gotta factor in how low the bar is in Bloomington. At ND it was much higher but the idiot AD got pantsed by Weis’ agent.

I feel like a close loss against the USC dynasty was more impressive than a win against an Oregon team that's lost a bit of a step from last year.
That said, it feels very similar to the Weis situation to me. Cig has an absolutely huge contract despite mostly beating up on weak opponents the last two years. He hasn't proven a whole lot against better competition. Is Indiana better than they were? Absolutely. Worth a top salary in college football? I think the jury is still out.

 

[dublinirish]

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I feel like a close loss against the USC dynasty was more impressive than a win against an Oregon team that's lost a bit of a step from last year.
That said, it feels very similar to the Weis situation to me. Cig has an absolutely huge contract despite mostly beating up on weak opponents the last two years. He hasn't proven a whole lot against better competition. Is Indiana better than they were? Absolutely. Worth a top salary in college football? I think the jury is still out.

These things are different. Everyone put away their Notre Dame biases for a second and look at it from the middle.

Indiana went on the road to Oregon who hadn't lost a regular season game in two years and were coming off of a bye week and beat them. It's likely the biggest win for that program since they beat a ranked Ohio State team in Columbus in 1987. Oregon hadn't lost a step up to that point. They pummeled who they needed to pummel and went to Penn State and won. Nobody pegged Indiana to win and they did.

The contract situation isn't as similar as we want to believe, either. We're also talking about a guy who had previous head coaching experience prior to Indiana. Charlie Weis got a contract extension off of being 4-2. Cignetti right now is 136-37 and 17-2 at the current employer who just gave him a raise. Charlie Weis had Super Bowl rings and an overtime loss at home to John L. Smith on his resume.

I think way too many people here are looking at Indiana Football right now from the perspective of a Notre Dame fan. They were losing most of these games not all that long ago. Now they're not, and they're seeing revenue and business is booming. Ride the wave as long as you can. You never know when it is going to end. If and when it does, it's going to be expensive most likely.

 

[ulukinatme]

These things are different. Everyone put away their Notre Dame biases for a second and look at it from the middle.

Indiana went on the road to Oregon who hadn't lost a regular season game in two years and were coming off of a bye week and beat them. It's likely the biggest win for that program since they beat a ranked Ohio State team in Columbus in 1987. Oregon hadn't lost a step up to that point. They pummeled who they needed to pummel and went to Penn State and won. Nobody pegged Indiana to win and they did.

The contract situation isn't as similar as we want to believe, either. We're also talking about a guy who had previous head coaching experience prior to Indiana. Charlie Weis got a contract extension off of being 4-2. Cignetti right now is 136-37 and 17-2 at the current employer who just gave him a raise. Charlie Weis had Super Bowl rings and an overtime loss at home to John L. Smith on his resume.

I think way too many people here are looking at Indiana Football right now from the perspective of a Notre Dame fan. They were losing most of these games not all that long ago. Now they're not, and they're seeing revenue and business is booming. Ride the wave as long as you can. You never know when it is going to end. If and when it does, it's going to be expensive most likely.

2025 Oregon is not 2024 Oregon though. They've lost a step. Oregon went to overtime with a 3 loss Penn State that is clearly broken. The Oregon win was obviously a huge win for little Indiana, and it's their first true ranked win now that Illinois has fallen out of the Top 25, but we need to see how they handle an OSU first. If they can stay competitive I think that gives Indiana some more legitimacy. I just don't think one big win cements Cignetti as a top tier coach worthy of a huge salary.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

2025 Oregon is not 2024 Oregon though. They've lost a step. Oregon went to overtime with a 3 loss Penn State that is clearly broken. The Oregon win was obviously a huge win for little Indiana, and it's their first true ranked win now that Illinois has fallen out of the Top 25, but we need to see how they handle an OSU first. If they can stay competitive I think that gives Indiana some more legitimacy. I just don't think one big win cements Cignetti as a top tier coach worthy of a huge salary.

Penn State didn't have three losses when Oregon beat them. You think they've lost a step. That's your opinion, but I'm going to guess that most at the moment will disagree with you. Oregon has outscored their opponents 253-91. They have one loss. They appear poised to win the rest of their games as it stands right now and finish 11-1. Likely third if tOSU and IU hold up. We don't know yet. We'll see.

I'm not arguing his status and his new salary. That wasn't my decision. We live in a world where money and how much of it you have decides how much freedom and comfort you're allowed. Penn State fired their coach on Sunday. Indiana's coach name came up as a person to replace Penn State's coach just about immediately that same Sunday. By Thursday, Indiana made a decision and gave their coach a raise and contract extension to keep him there. This isn't exactly earth shattering athletic administration.

If you don't think highly of Indiana Football and Curt Cignetti, fine, but they have been shit for-virtually-ever and were never winning. Now they are winning and they're still shit to some people, which seems like an incredibly convenient narrative. The people there have made their decision and they're all in. They're going to ride it and see where it goes. Have no idea at this point. I, like @Bane , don't like the guy and hope he gets served more humility soon. They have to play the games and win them. I'm just not going to sit here and twist a narrative into pretzels about a historically bad program that has more going for it now than ever before. It's hard to dispute today. In two months, a year, two years we can revisit.

 

[FU BK]

2025 Oregon is not 2024 Oregon though. They've lost a step. Oregon went to overtime with a 3 loss Penn State that is clearly broken. The Oregon win was obviously a huge win for little Indiana, and it's their first true ranked win now that Illinois has fallen out of the Top 25, but we need to see how they handle an OSU first. If they can stay competitive I think that gives Indiana some more legitimacy. I just don't think one big win cements Cignetti as a top tier coach worthy of a huge salary.

Dante "food thread" Moore isn't Dillion Gabriel

 

[SportsingHard]

A head coach is responsible for many things, including talent acquisition, but when it comes to simply getting teams to play at or above their talent level, Nick Saban wasn't worthy of wiping Curt Cignetti's ass. Curt deserves every dollar and then some.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Curt Cignetti:

2007, Bama WR coach, $170,000
2009, Bama WR coach, $200,000
2010, Bama WR coach, $250,000
2011, IUP HC, $125,000
2022, JMU HC, $425,000
2023, JMU HC, $677,000
2024, Indiana HC, $4.5 million
2025, Indiana HC, $11.6 million

 

[T Town Tommy]

If Penetration St is going to find the end zone, they will need to go in hard. Hopefully they don’t noodle around and miss their opening.

On a more serious note, I am hearing Elko’s name starting to come up a little more often.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Really annoying seeing MFs name coming up on everyone's first want. ND is gonna have to pay up

Barring the unspeakable, it’s a great thing.

Everyone sees that he is a great coach and worthy of consideration.

I’d personally be more annoyed if his name wasn’t mentioned at all.


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[IrishSteelhead]

2025 Oregon is not 2024 Oregon though. They've lost a step. Oregon went to overtime with a 3 loss Penn State that is clearly broken. The Oregon win was obviously a huge win for little Indiana, and it's their first true ranked win now that Illinois has fallen out of the Top 25, but we need to see how they handle an OSU first. If they can stay competitive I think that gives Indiana some more legitimacy. I just don't think one big win cements Cignetti as a top tier coach worthy of a huge salary.

This is all true, BUT….

Why do you insist of continuing to move the goalposts on this dude?

Maybe it was due to breaks, luck, scheduling, etc, but this dude literally took IU to the equivalent of a NY6/BCS game last year.

IU has played in exactly ONE NY6/BCS game in their entire programs history before he arrived.

He has equaled IU’s entire legacy in one season, much like MF eclipsed BK’s entire 12 year legacy in one game. He is already legitimate, even if he loses out.


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[stlnd01]

If Penetration St is going to find the end zone, they will need to go in hard. Hopefully they don’t noodle around and miss their opening.

On a more serious note, I am hearing Elko’s name starting to come up a little more often.

For what? Penn State? He'd be a home run hire for them but aside maybe from his roots being in the Northeast, why would Elko make that move? It's just gonna be Rhule.

 

[TorontoGold]

A head coach is responsible for many things, including talent acquisition, but when it comes to simply getting teams to play at or above their talent level, Nick Saban wasn't worthy of wiping Curt Cignetti's ass. Curt deserves every dollar and then some.

That's nice. You're essentially arguing John Daly vs peak Tiger Woods. Sweet, Daly had a great drive but Tiger L dances on Daly's corpse in literally every other aspect.

Curt's getting paid to be among the upper echelon. He's closer to Ryan Day then the "does more with less" pack of Ferentz/Campbell/Leipold.

 

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