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Surprised to see O'Leary mentioned as one of the names.

I had no idea he was well regarded as a position coach.
 
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BoredIrish said:
Surprised to see O'Leary mentioned as one of the names.

I had no idea he was well regarded as a position coach.
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Same.

I've considered him one of the weaker links on staff throughout his tenure. Admittedly, some of that is factored with recruiting.

O'Leary's agent could also really be earning his cut too.
 
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irishog77 said:
Same.

I've considered him one of the weaker links on staff throughout his tenure. Admittedly, some of that is factored with recruiting.

O'Leary's agent could also really be earning his cut too.
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he would be seen in NFL circles to have developed Kyle Hamilton i guess. Not many Safety coaches have top 15 NFL picks to their resume
 
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In terms of importance right now it probably goes:

Stuckey
DMC
Mason
O'Leary.

"Sources say" DMC is staying put (and he presumably came back to college ball for a reason). O'Leary is fine but can be replaced. Time to have a real talk with Stuckey about the opportunity to keep building something special at Notre Dame (with a raise of course), and show that he knows how to develop NFL-caliber wide receivers, not just recruit them.
 
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It's amazing to me how ND Coaches are questioned for their performance(s) while employed... but yet when those same coaches are picked away - they are 'better' than they were after they left or, went to another team not based on performance at ND but elsewhere... I don't get it TBH...
 
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I'm fully aware of the mindset (and endorse said point of view) regarding a sign of a good coaching culture at schools is the turnover rate, in which coaches leave for P5 or NFL jobs. This offseason reflects that. But I do question the threshold in which it becomes a burden to handle such an exodus of good quality coaches. Every time a coach leaves, Freeman has to spend valuable time, energy, and resources trying to replace the vacancy with an equal or better candidate. How do the players handle a constant revolving door of mentors, leaders, and coaches? How is the consistency and cohesion affected?
 
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BleedBlueGold said:
I'm fully aware of the mindset (and endorse said point of view) regarding a sign of a good coaching culture at schools is the turnover rate, in which coaches leave for P5 or NFL jobs. This offseason reflects that. But I do question the threshold in which it becomes a burden to handle such an exodus of good quality coaches. Every time a coach leaves, Freeman has to spend valuable time, energy, and resources trying to replace the vacancy with an equal or better candidate. How do the players handle a constant revolving door of mentors, leaders, and coaches? How is the consistency and cohesion affected?
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Yep. Personally I worry more about what the coaching turnover means for roster stability and recruiting continuity than what it "says about" Freeman, etc. Players can transfer so easily now. If a guy clicked with his old position coach but doesn't with his new one, or the new guy has a different scheme/vision than the old one, he gone.
Yes, of course, players should pick the school, not the coach. But the reality is the position coach has an enormous influence on their day-to-day experience of playing Notre Dame football, so you want a good relationship there, and that's not always a given.
 
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BleedBlueGold said:
I'm fully aware of the mindset (and endorse said point of view) regarding a sign of a good coaching culture at schools is the turnover rate, in which coaches leave for P5 or NFL jobs. This offseason reflects that. But I do question the threshold in which it becomes a burden to handle such an exodus of good quality coaches. Every time a coach leaves, Freeman has to spend valuable time, energy, and resources trying to replace the vacancy with an equal or better candidate. How do the players handle a constant revolving door of mentors, leaders, and coaches? How is the consistency and cohesion affected?
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Its part of his job, its expected.

Once players adapt the first time round it should be normal to them. You dont think youth football or HS coaches come and go also? Players are wise enough to know its a business and coaches dont stay static when they are working their way up
 
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dublinirish said:
Its part of his job, its expected.

Once players adapt the first time round it should be normal to them. You dont think youth football or HS coaches come and go also? Players are wise enough to know its a business and coaches dont stay static when they are working their way up
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I completely understand. I'm just questioning the opportunity cost. Is it possible that maintaining a coaching staff over a two or three year span could prove more beneficial than a constant revolving door? Hard to compare kids and coaches, but I liken it to the 5* one-and-done bball rosters of Kentucky, Duke, etc. A constant revolving door proves great risk, sometimes great reward, but always risk. Tons of resources are spent acquiring the next great crop of recruits to be your starting five. You can only hope they're as talented and cohesive as the previous bunch.

I realize it's a business. It's going to happen. I'm just theorizing on the amount of coaches leaving, and whether there is some sort of diminishing returns here.
 
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allenm5333 said:
ND and Georgia…playing 2 different games
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Has anybody considered that hiring all these has beens as “analysts” is a bit of scam these coaches use to keep their buddies employed?
 
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Has anybody considered that hiring all these has beens as “analysts” is a scam these coaches use to keep their buddies employees?
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Since these are public schools we can see their salaries but I'm too lazy to check. Anyone know what these guys are making?
 
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Bluto said:
Has anybody considered that hiring all these has beens as “analysts” is a bit of scam these coaches use to keep their buddies employed?
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I will self admit myself into a mental institute if Gus Malzahn is coaching in 2045.
 
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Bluto said:
Has anybody considered that hiring all these has beens as “analysts” is a bit of scam these coaches use to keep their buddies employed?
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Sure but it's a huge advantage to have guys with this much experience watching hours of film, picking apart every tendency, formation and player weakness/strength of the opposing team. More eyes, more film breakdown, better gameplan, better results.

I would love to see the difference in detail of a Georgia game plan as compared to ND.
 
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Bluto said:
Has anybody considered that hiring all these has beens as “analysts” is a bit of scam these coaches use to keep their buddies employed?
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These guys are typically fired coaches who are receiving a buyout. They're not starving. It's why you can hire them as analysts so cheaply. They don't actually make any extra money by working for you as an analyst, since whatever you pay them just reduces what their former employer has to pay them. It's about staying in the game and rehabbing their rep mostly.
 
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Saban is notorious for doing this. Pay a guy with good football knowledge peanuts and pick their brains for a year or two. Huge return on investment.
 
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