Coaching Carousel 2019

[NDRock]

Every year we get into the topic of "best college jobs" and "best college coaches" in the country. It's a fun topic.

Am I the only guy here who didn't know Gary Patterson is getting paid $6 million a year at freakin TCU?! I don't think he's a top 10 coach, but I think he has the best job in college football if you're talking salary compared to expectations.

He can be average or below average every year or two and apparently they're cool with it. Hat tip to that guy.

He's kinda in that Bill Snyder/Frank Beamer category. All three were able to make their programs very successful relative to their historical norms. For that, you get to weather the occasional bad season.

 

[ulukinatme]

Gary Patterson has had 4 losing seasons in his 20 years at TCU. He's had a few bad seasons recently, but he's also had 11 double digit win seasons in that time, the most recent being 2017. He's built that brand from basically nothing, they would be foolish to let him go. I'd keep paying him.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Gary Patterson has had 4 losing seasons in his 20 years at TCU. He's had a few bad seasons recently, but he's also had 11 double digit win seasons in that time, the most recent being 2017. He's built that brand from basically nothing, they would be foolish to let him go. I'd keep paying him.

Agreed and not trying to make light of it. The $6m blew me away because he's in the top 10 in the country, and in that top 10 he's on the lowest end of program expectations. Good for him.

 

[tko]

Bo Pellini should be shown the door.

 

[Rogue219]

Bo Pellini should be shown the door.

Nah. Use the window.

 

[Irish YJ]

Bo Pellini should be shown the door.

Not saying Pellini shouldn't be fired, but didn't LSU lose like 6 or more starters, mostly on D, from the covid opt out stuff.

 

[Rogue219]

Not saying Pellini shouldn't be fired, but didn't LSU lose like 6 or more starters, mostly on D, from the covid opt out stuff.

Either way, he's notorious for not being very willing to adapt or adjust, in game or otherwise. I was surprised Coach O hired him.

The man is the definition of insanity.

 

[BobbyMac]

Nah. Use the window.

Breakfast blend meet keyboard.

 

[dublinirish]

No one has a tougher road in 2020 than Eli Drinkwitz at Missouri.

First year coach taking over a program that doesn't belong in the SEC, no spring ball, and SEC only schedule didn't do them any favors. God bless.

he actually hasn't been doing too bad all things considered now

 

[BobbyMac]

Every year we get into the topic of "best college jobs" and "best college coaches" in the country. It's a fun topic.

Am I the only guy here who didn't know Gary Patterson is getting paid $6 million a year at freakin TCU?! I don't think he's a top 10 coach, but I think he has the best job in college football if you're talking salary compared to expectations.

He can be average or below average every year or two and apparently they're cool with it. Hat tip to that guy.

If BK doesn't agree to leave the Bearcats at the alter, he's maybe making that $6M in South Bend right now.

I've either forgotten or never knew. . . Who would've gotten the ND job if Patterson would've left TCU immediately too?

 

[zelezo vlk]

Thought I read it was Gary. Quick question, but I thought he's gotten a lot of talent from transfers/JUCOs/characters. Is that actually true? And if so, would Gary have been able to be successful at ND?

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[MNIrishman]

I still think Ohio State is the best job. High expectations but a generally easy conference and 99% of your recruits are within two hours of Columbus. You don't need to overnight recruiting trips as often.

 

[notredomer23]

I still think Ohio State is the best job. High expectations but a generally easy conference and 99% of your recruits are within two hours of Columbus. You don't need to overnight recruiting trips as often.

I don't think this is really true anymore. Most of Ohio State's studs the last 5-10 years have been out of state. The core of each recruiting class is always going to be Ohio, MI, PA, etc which provides them with a nice base, but they are going into any state to get who they want. Just look at the players they had drafted this past year.

Chase Young, Maryland
Jeff Okudah, Texas
Damon Arnette, Florida
JK Dobbins, Texas
Davon Hamilton, Ohio
Jonah Jackson, Pennsylvania
Malik Harrison, Ohio
Jordan Fuller, New Jersey
KJ Hill, Arkansas
Jashon Cornell, Minnesota

 

[NDRock]

If BK doesn't agree to leave the Bearcats at the alter, he's maybe making that $6M in South Bend right now.

I've either forgotten or never knew. . . Who would've gotten the ND job if Patterson would've left TCU immediately too?

Not sure how legit it was but Randy Edsall's name was being tossed around as a serious contender.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Not sure how legit it was but Randy Edsall's name was being tossed around as a serious contender.

The donors would have loved him. For a couple of years.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Edsall would've been the worst hire since ______?

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[NDRock]

Edsall would've been the worst hire since ______?

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Weis

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I will go out on a limb and say Weis was a good hire. He was a hot name who raised the talent level and gave the program a shot in the arm.

That extension though... yeesh.

 

[Irishize]

Not saying Pellini shouldn't be fired, but didn't LSU lose like 6 or more starters, mostly on D, from the covid opt out stuff.

I think it’s more than Pelini. I suspect LSU fans, in the deepest recess of their brain, are thinking that Coach O caught lightning in a bottle last season w/ a veteran-laden team but more importantly Joe Burrow at QB & Joe Brady as QB Coach.

 

[notredomer23]

I will go out on a limb and say Weis was a good hire. He was a hot name who raised the talent level and gave the program a shot in the arm.

That extension though... yeesh.

I am gonna go ahead and say it... If Weis was still coach in 2010 and Clausen + Tate stayed, we may have gone undefeated. That offense would have scored at will with a finally competent offensive line, 2 good running backs, and stud receivers and tight ends everywhere. Long term we would have definitely been worse off. But for that one year Clausen probably would have been a Heisman candidate and ND would have been somewhat back until we got blown out by Auburn in the BCS.

 

[spoonidentity]

Not sure how legit it was but Randy Edsall's name was being tossed around as a serious contender.

https://theathletic.com/1450983/2019/12/11/brian-kelly-decade-notre-dame-coaching-search/

Great article, really gives you a sense of the cloak and dagger nature of it all. Behind The Athletic paywall but this is the relevant quote:

Regardless, Kelly was not the only candidate to advance to the second round of interviews. Swarbrick didn’t reveal names but said two other coaches were interviewed in New York. And despite an ESPN report days later that Notre Dame was interested in Connecticut coach Randy Edsall, Swarbrick said the Huskies head coach, who has since flamed out at Maryland and is back in Storrs, was not one of them.

Pete Sampson later goes on to say he does not know who the other two candidates were. He "would bet money" on Kirk Ferentz being one of them but did NOT think Gary Patterson was the other.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Wasn't Stoops rumored as well?

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[MNIrishman]

Wasn't Stoops rumored as well?

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A close friend of mine worked in the AD. At the time, she told me that Jack had reached out to Stoops, who was potentially interested, but his ask was way too much money and control.

 

[IrishLion]

I am gonna go ahead and say it... If Weis was still coach in 2010 and Clausen + Tate stayed, we may have gone undefeated. That offense would have scored at will with a finally competent offensive line, 2 good running backs, and stud receivers and tight ends everywhere. Long term we would have definitely been worse off. But for that one year Clausen probably would have been a Heisman candidate and ND would have been somewhat back until we got blown out by Auburn in the BCS.

I think with BK coaching, had Clausen and Tate returned, they might have had a chance to pull some first-year magic.

But with Weis, '10 would've been the same story as '09 IMO. A bunch of yards and points and amazing go-routes from Clausen to Tate... but still too many holes on the depth chart on defense to make a significant run.

 

[NDRock]

https://theathletic.com/1450983/2019/12/11/brian-kelly-decade-notre-dame-coaching-search/

Great article, really gives you a sense of the cloak and dagger nature of it all. Behind The Athletic paywall but this is the relevant quote:



Pete Sampson later goes on to say he does not know who the other two candidates were. He "would bet money" on Kirk Ferentz being one of them but did NOT think Gary Patterson was the other.

Makes sense. Even at the time when Edsall's name was being tossed around, I kept thinking "surely we're not hiring this guy". Probably floated out there to make us more excited/relieved about Kelly. Especially after the Stoops possibility ended. Heard different things on how close we actually got with Stoops. May have actually come if we okayed his "demands".

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

he actually hasn't been doing too bad all things considered now

Will be difficult for them to get over .500 this year. Not saying they're bad, but the road is rough.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

I think with BK coaching, had Clausen and Tate returned, they might have had a chance to pull some first-year magic.

But with Weis, '10 would've been the same story as '09 IMO. A bunch of yards and points and amazing go-routes from Clausen to Tate... but still too many holes on the depth chart on defense to make a significant run.

Yup, big time. The ND offense in 2009 was ranked I think 8 in the country. Defense was the issue. And conditioning/ weight training/ nutrition.

 

[ulukinatme]

I think BK has done a great job raising ND's profile again, but the job will probably always go to either relative unknowns or up and coming coaches that haven't been picked up by the top tier programs above us like Alabama and OSU. You don't see it as much now since we've been playing well since 2016, but fans have thankfully stopped making crazy speculations on BK's replacement. Oh those days when people thought we could lure away a Saban, Meyer, or anyone similar at a big P5 program...

 

[Rogue219]

I will go out on a limb and say Weis was a good hire. He was a hot name who raised the talent level and gave the program a shot in the arm.

That extension though... yeesh.

I think he got the recruiting pipeline moving again and for that I appreciate him more than anything. I think he also made a point to let the administration know that they were making things far too difficult for him to run a program on and off the field. Some things were brought to light and changed after he left.

His defenses were terrible, though.

He was their second choice at the time he was hired, if not third or even fourth if I recall. He secured a financial future for himself and his daughter, who has special needs, which is fantastic for her. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

I thought his ability to recruit top talent went a long way in getting the program back on track. That 2007 season was a perfect shit storm of issues, some of which were due to the staff that came before him. Those 2005-06 seasons were a lot of fun.