Chris Cornell - Soundgarden Dead at 52

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Gotcha. Yeah, I guess we're talking semantics and I don't even know how I would exactly define grunge, but for me they are at least very close cousins, same angst same desperation. As far as sound Blind Melon was closest to Soundgarden and Alice In Chains of the Seattle bands imo. Realized long ago that Eddie Vedder had learned to reconcile his personal issues with Celebrity, was hoping Chris had as well.

Agree.............for the purest they focus strictly on Grunge from Seattle. No doubt it originated there, but it expanded. There are some that consider Grunge a form of alternative. So if you want to focus strictly on Seattle grunge then you don't include Blind Melon, Pumpkins, etc. My opinions are on all grunge/alternative.

Regardless, it is crazy to think how many of them are dead now.
 

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Would anyone dispute that Cornell was the best rock vocalist of the past 2-3 decades? His voice was so unique, and his range was massive. I'm struggling to think of anyone else that could even give him a run for his money in that time frame.

I'll say just this,

Jeff Buckley finally has some competition at St Peter's Friday night karaoke.
 

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Actually MLB created the end of the Seattle scene's formation. Wood's death and the demise of MLB gave birth to PJ and Mudhoney. Those two bands basically finalized the roster.

Every other major band involved in the Seattle sound was before MLB with exceptions to Mudhoney (formed at the same time as MLB from the break up of Green River. Mark Arm and Steve Turner left to form Mudhoney while Ament Gossard & Bruce Fairweather left Green River, joined by Malfunkshin's Andrew Wood to form MLB.)

Upon Wood's death, Ament & Gossard recruit Mike McCready, Eddie Vedder and Dave Krusen to form what would become Pearl Jam after starting off as Mookie Blaylock.

So the Melvins, Malfunkshun, Green River, Screaming Trees & Soundgarden were all mid 80's, even Nirvana and Alice N Chains were formed before MLB.

As far as style, MLB still had Wood's glammy hairband feel but Gossard and Ament really grew at this time, maybe from having to synthesize their thrashy Green River sound with Wood's desire to be an edgier version of the standard MTV Poison rock that was on the way out.

You clearly study and I read Cliff Notes.

I was 12. Nevermind came out and everyone stopped listening to Def Leppard. That's the extent of my memory there.
 

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You clearly study and I read Cliff Notes.

I was 12. Nevermind came out and everyone stopped listening to Def Leppard. That's the extent of my memory there.

No studying, lived it. Nirvana broke in my last year of college and my roommate/teammate was from Bellingham, WA. Two years earlier they had already released a great album including their best song ever. IMO of course. No fecking way 3 guys should be that perfectly noisy.

Hair still stands up on my neck even at fiddy.


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Would anyone dispute that Cornell was the best rock vocalist of the past 2-3 decades? His voice was so unique, and his range was massive. I'm struggling to think of anyone else that could even give him a run for his money in that time frame.

Mike Patton for uniqueness and range.
 

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Would anyone dispute that Cornell was the best rock vocalist of the past 2-3 decades? His voice was so unique, and his range was massive. I'm struggling to think of anyone else that could even give him a run for his money in that time frame.

its debatable...Lane Staley (ironically, another guy from pac northwest that died by his own hand) was pretty unique and great as well. I will admit, I did not appreciate him until he was gone.

But Chris Cornell was definitely a talented dude
 
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Mike Patton for uniqueness and range.

I dont think Mike has four octave range like Chris does but .... yes.... IMO Mike Patton (as avant garde) is the head honcho as far as front men go for this time period. Guy is amazing. I would put Chris second.
 
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its debatable...Lane Staley (ironically, another guy from pac northwest that died by his own hand) was pretty unique and great as well. I will admit, I did not appreciate him until he was gone.

But Chris Cornell was definitely a talented dude

Idk. I love AiC's sound but much of it revolved around Staley and Cantrell's harmonizing. Cornell is head and shoulders above Staley IMO.
 

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Idk. I love AiC's sound but much of it revolved around Staley and Cantrell's harmonizing. Cornell is head and shoulders above Staley IMO.

This x 1000.

There's a very short list in the history of rock that could harmonize like Layne and Jerry and none were as haunting. I mean it was like Lennon & McCartney or the Righteous Bros at a funeral.


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Idk. I love AiC's sound but much of it revolved around Staley and Cantrell's harmonizing. Cornell is head and shoulders above Staley IMO.

This x 1000.

There's a very short list in the history of rock that could harmonize like Layne and Jerry and none were as haunting. I mean it was like Lennon & McCartney or the Righteous Bros at a funeral.

Yup, and I say that as a big AiC fan. Staley and Cantrell together produced a strange sort of vocal alchemy. Their combined sound was so much more than the sum of its parts. But neither one alone could hold a candle to Cornell.
 

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I dont think Mike has four octave range like Chris does but .... yes.... IMO Mike Patton (as avant garde) is the head honcho as far as front men go for this time period. Guy is amazing. I would put Chris second.

I don't necessarily disagree, but I was just talking about raw vocal talent (and I still think Cornell takes the cake there easily). "Best front man" introduces a bunch of new variables to the equation.
 

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I've never sat down and tried to figure out who the best rock singers are, but now that this tragedy has happened, I can't think of anyone better than Chris in the past few decades. He was truly amazing and I definitely didn't appreciate him enough while he was here.

Another amazing and underrated vocalist is Brent Smith from Shinedown.
 
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I don't necessarily disagree, but I was just talking about raw vocal talent (and I still think Cornell takes the cake there easily). "Best front man" introduces a bunch of new variables to the equation.

Agree. Sorry for muddying the water.
 

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Chris Cornell - Soundgarden Dead at 52

Cornell also had one of the best "screaming" voices ever IMO.



Agree. He injected a little of that hair band from the 80's falsetto into their music, which was awesome IMO. He was no King Diamond, but who is?
 
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Exchanged emails tonight with the cousin of a buddy of mine from high school who produced Audioslave's album Revelations. Said he was completely shocked by the news. Hadn't heard about any kind of relapse. A lot of sad people in the music business right now as Chris was loved by everyone.
 
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I really got into the grunge stuff late (born in '86). Once I was able to drive is when I really got into it, especially Pearl Jam. In my opinion, they can do no wrong. I don't know much about music, but Eddie Vedder's voice is tops for me.

However, Soundgarden/Audioslave always had a place in my six disc changer in my car. Losing Chris and his immense talent is a tough pill to swallow.

The latest I saw was that they were trying to figure out if the Ativan he took played a part in this. Not that it would bring him back, but it might be closure for some people.
 

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I dont think Mike has four octave range like Chris does but .... yes.... IMO Mike Patton (as avant garde) is the head honcho as far as front men go for this time period. Guy is amazing. I would put Chris second.
You're right, he doesn't have four, he has six

https://consequenceofsound.net/2014...-axl-rose-is-the-greatest-singer-of-all-time/

I listened to sap tonight. Right turn with layne, arm, and cornell is so heavenly.

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Such an amazing riff:

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Conspicuous by his absence from the list is Frankie Valli.

I'm not convinced that could consider Valli's strained, soprano falsetto as "range."

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While I cut my AM radio teeth on the likes of Sherry (I was told that, as a 10 year old Catholic School choir boy – a requirement – that I did a respectable rendition) but even as a youngster I couldn't help but chuckle at the apparent contradiction.
 

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This blog post about Cornell's death recently came across my Twitter feed. Includes some interesting musings on Grunge and Gen-X:

Chris Cornell died early Thursday morning. His band Soundgarden played a show on Wednesday night at the Fox Theater in Detroit. Two hours after the show ended, he was gone.

For two days, I’ve been working on a piece to pay tribute to him, and it’s been a struggle. Usually when I have a problem like this it’s because I’m staring at a blank screen trying to figure out what I want to say. That’s not the problem this time. The problem is I have way too much to say.

I’m not going to sit here and claim to have been a huge fan of Soundgarden. I didn’t dislike them, I just had to take them in small doses. I was a fan of Cornell. I love “Seasons,” the solo song he had on Cameron Crowe’s movie, Singles. It’s a droning acoustic song about isolation and the meaningless passing of time. Your basic nihilistic statement written at what was probably the peak of rock’s most nihilistic period.

I was a fan of Cornell as a person. Of all the great musicians that were packed into Seattle in the late 80’s and early 90’s, from Mark Arm of Mudhoney to Jeff Ament of Mother Love Bone and Pearl Jam to the Great Tortured Genius himself, Kurt Cobain, Cornell seemed like he rose a little bit above the others. He was the unofficial communicator of the Seattle scene. Like a Pacific Northwest Sinatra, he had a charisma and a calm grace about him. He was thoughtful, even charming, in interviews, unlike his compatriots who disdained fame and accolades (or at least pretended to). Cornell was the guy who seemed most like he could handle all the attention without turning it into an existential crisis.

Now he’s dead because, as it turns out, he had been dealing with an existential crisis most of his life. I was a fan, and I had a ton of respect for him. But it’s taken me a little while to understand why his death has affected me as strongly as it has.

At first I thought it might have something to do with the fact that I was mostly a bystander while the music of my generation was taking over. Just as Nirvana and Pearl Jam were making that gigantic breakthrough in 1992, my fiancé and I discovered we were pregnant. So instead of investigating mosh pits at the 7th Street Entry, or watching Soundgarden and Pearl Jam rule the stage at Lollapalooza (it was a traveling festival in those days), I was hastily throwing together a wedding and then changing diapers. My wife and I got an early jump on things, so we’ve always told ourselves that we’d make up for lost time in our forties and fifties.

Well here we are, and something like this just makes it feel like we’ve arrived too late. But while that’s a legitimate thing, I don’t really think that’s exactly what is bothering me.

Then I thought maybe it’s a generational thing. Grunge is the gift that Generation X gave to the world of music. We took all that slacker cynicism, mixed it up with our older siblings’ sneering punk attitude, Zeppelin’s low end and, if we’re being honest, a little heroin. The result was the musical version of Beckett’s Waiting for Godot. It was gorgeous art that was absolutely sure that nothing really matters, making it feel immediate and important. It was the sound of a generation telling everybody, including ourselves, to fuck off.

And while we were wallowing in our splendid alienation, our spokespeople, predictably, started dying. First it was Andrew Wood of Mother Love Bone. A lot of us didn’t know about him until Cornell, along with Wood’s erstwhile bandmates (who were about to form Pearl Jam) memorialized him with a one off tribute called Temple of the Dog. Somehow, Wood’s story made death part our music’s romantic foundation.

A couple years later, Cobain killed himself with a shotgun. He was 27. Our Bob Dylan, the voice of our generation, threw it all away because he was afraid he was becoming a cliché. At least, that’s what we told ourselves at the time.

Shortly thereafter, Kristen Pfaff of Hole overdosed and died in a bathtub. And then Shannon Hoon of Blind Melon overdosed and died on a tour bus. It felt like people like D’arcy Wretzky of Smashing Pumpkins, Scott Weiland of Stone Temple Pilots, and, perhaps especially, Courtney Love – Pfaff’s bandmate and Cobain’s widow – were all headed in the same direction.

Alice in Chains’ Layne Staley died of a gruesome overdose. The fact that his body was not discovered for more than a week felt somehow fitting. He was a emblematic of a generation that just wanted to be left alone.

And just when it felt like our music, and maybe our entire generation, would never live to see 30, things turned around. Love and Weiland cleaned their acts up (at least for a while). Bands like Pearl Jam thrived long after the term “Heroin Chic” disappeared. Before we knew it, we were a decade into a new century and a lot of the Poets of Grunge were still standing. Some of them were even in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. It felt like our heroes were out of the woods.

When Weiland died of an overdose of cocaine, alcohol and MDA at the end of 2015, it felt like an echo, and not something rooted in the present. He had become the most notorious addict of them all over the years; in and out of rehab so many times we had all lost hope for him. His death was something that had been predicted so often for so long that it might as well have happened in 1997.

But Chris Cornell died of suicide on May 17, 2017, at the age of 52. He was a dad. He was a philanthropist. He was becoming an elder statesman of rock. He was a grown up. Cornell was aging gracefully, even doing that thing where some guys get better looking as they get older. He got Soundgarden back together, and they made a great new album a couple years ago. His voice still had all the power and strength it had displayed in his youth. Much like the rest of us, the world had kicked his ass a couple times, and he survived.

But now he’s gone, and goddammit, his is the death that bothers me the most. As I’ve been thinking about this, I’m realizing that it’s both a personal and a generational thing. Cornell had a long struggle with depression. As have I. As have many of you.

It’s possible that, along with grunge, Generation X’s other great gift to society is depression. I mean, of course it was here long before the Baby Boomers started re-producing, but we talk about it more than those who came before us. We talk about it as a demon or a monster. It’s a dark shadow that shows itself at any point in time without warning. It surrounds us, isolates us, and quiets us. Depression likes to blame things. We feel like shit because of mistakes we have made in life or because of the state of the world or because we aren’t perfect. Without a lot of help and a lot of work, it’s impossible to know that it really is a chemical imbalance in our brains. After twenty-plus years of trying to de-stigmatize depression, some of us still have a hard time recognizing it for what it is. And even then, it doesn’t always matter.

You might think grunge is about anger, but that’s not completely true. Yes, it can sound that way, but it’s really about depression and cynicism. Those two go hand-in-hand, along with their nasty little sister, anxiety. When the three of them get going, they just eat hope as quickly as it can be summoned. That leaves despair and despair is exhausting, not just for those who experience it, but for the people around it as well. So we keep it to ourselves because we don’t want to be a burden. And then it gets to be too much. Doesn’t matter if you’re a student, a mom, an accountant or a rock star. It doesn’t matter if you’ve written about it your entire life as a means of keeping it at bay. It doesn’t matter if the music you made about it brought in fame, respect and millions of dollars. It doesn’t matter if your entire generation has suffered from it. Depression makes you feel totally alone. You hit the breaking point, and then, like Chris Cornell, you die alone in the bathroom.

This was a well-respected member of his community; a beloved musical hero who seemed to have it all together. This could have been any of us. And brothers and sisters, if it’s you, don’t mess around with it. Please find some help.

Cornell is speaking to us all one last time. This isn’t something we left behind with our twenties. This isn’t something cured by age or financial security. This isn’t something you “outgrow.” If it’s allowed to fester, depression is stronger than wisdom. Depression is insidious and tenacious. Depression can get to anybody. It can make you feel like an old man at 27. It can make you feel lost as a child at 52.

Call it a senseless tragedy. Call it a second-act cautionary tale. Call it whatever you want. Just don’t blow it off as meaningless.

Rest in peace, Chris.
 
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