Chansi Stuckey - WR Coach

[Crazy Balki]

Hartman isn't the problem with our WR group, WTF would anyone think that?

After today's game our #1 WR in yards is the guy who is out for the season and he's the TE.

My problem with the WR group is no one has stepped up to be a #1 WR.

I mean, if you really think Hartman isn't at least a contributing factor, then I don't know what to tell you.

Hartman hasn't played well in the past 5 games. And it's not just on the receivers, he's had open looks and has missed them A LOT.

As for nobody stepping up to be the #1 receiver, you're asking a lot for what amounts to a bunch of freshman and a guy who just converted to the position months ago. It was supposed to be Jayden Thomas, but he's been hurt for most of the year. I don't think it can be overstated how badly Kelly and Del screwed us over at receiver. No team should be in this position in terms of sheer lack of talent, bodies and experience at receiver.

 

[stlnd01]

I mean, if you really think Hartman isn't at least a contributing factor, then I don't know what to tell you.

Hartman hasn't played well in the past 5 games. And it's not just on the receivers, he's had open looks and has missed them A LOT.

As for nobody stepping up to be the #1 receiver, you're asking a lot for what amounts to a bunch of freshman and a guy who just converted to the position months ago. It was supposed to be Jayden Thomas, but he's been hurt for most of the year. I don't think it can be overstated how badly Kelly and Del screwed us over at receiver. No team should be in this position in terms of sheer lack of talent, bodies and experience at receiver.

I think our offense looks meaningfully better with a healthy Thomas and Colzie. Even Salerno. No none of those guys are rock stars but they've all played more football than the WRs we're running out there without them.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

I think our offense looks meaningfully better with a healthy Thomas and Colzie. Even Salerno. No none of those guys are rock stars but they've all played more football than the WRs we're running out there without them.

Well you gotta dance with the one you brung. That's GPs job. If it's "execution " that is the problem, we'll that's still GPs job. He is the offensive coordinator.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

It's Parker not up to snuff, Hartman not playing as well as he did in September and a young WR two deep.

I'm sure Stuckey has his faults as a coach, but to be calling for his head now and pinning this on him seems totally ludicrous to me. The offensive coordinator has his own thread whose title has become a weekly punchline. It starts with Freeman and Parker long before anyone can start busting Stuckey's chops. The previous offensive staff didn't do the WR room a tremendous amount of favors. It really is that simple.

They've got five in house now and three more coming in. Just in time to have to figure out who the next QB1 is going to be.

 

[NDMatt91]

The issues with the offense are definitely fixable next year. Hire a good and proven OC, get a good grad transfer QB, and get 2 WR's from the portal. Will they do that? I have no idea, but it's definitely doable.

 

[PutuporShutup]

It's Parker not up to snuff, Hartman not playing as well as he did in September and a young WR two deep.

I'm sure Stuckey has his faults as a coach, but to be calling for his head now and pinning this on him seems totally ludicrous to me. The offensive coordinator has his own thread whose title has become a weekly punchline. It starts with Freeman and Parker long before anyone can start busting Stuckey's chops. The previous offensive staff didn't do the WR room a tremendous amount of favors. It really is that simple.

They've got five in house now and three more coming in. Just in time to have to figure out who the next QB1 is going to be.

No one is pinning this on him
And most say Parker is probably hurting his wrs, but it is very fair to say the wr play has been bad now for 2 years under him. No one is improve either

 

[IRISHDODGER]

No one is pinning this on him
And most say Parker is probably hurting his wrs, but it is very fair to say the wr play has been bad now for 2 years under him. No one is improve either

I think it’s debatable on the improvement. Colzie started the season looking like a key cog in the offense (yes, it was Navy) before tearing up his knee & being out for the season so we’ll never know what could’ve been for him under Stuckey this year. Same w/ Thomas. He started off like we expected before battling a hamstring injury that he clearly isn’t going to ever get over. I assume he’s out of eligibility so he may as well rest up for the bowl game or retire from football. Then you have Tyree who most agree has been a pleasant surprise in the slot considering it’s his first year as a WR.

Everyone else is a true freshman that were solid in HS but not expected to be immediate game changers. Greathouse & Flores showed promise early when they were surrounded by Colzie/Thomas/Tyree. They soon lost benefit of Colzie and Thomas was pretty much done by the OSU game. After that it was on their shoulders & then Stuckey has to activate Faison..another true freshman. The one true disappointment has been Tobias so if folks want to blame Stuckey on his lack of development after two seasons, that’s fair. The rest is a shitty hand he got dealt IMO. It starts at the top. Wonder if Stuckey gets courted again this offseason? If he leaves this time, the narrative will be he wanted to get off a sinking ship rather than go to the NFL…fair or not.

 

[stlnd01]

I think it’s debatable on the improvement. Colzie started the season looking like a key cog in the offense (yes, it was Navy) before tearing up his knee & being out for the season so we’ll never know what could’ve been for him under Stuckey this year. Same w/ Thomas. He started off like we expected before battling a hamstring injury that he clearly isn’t going to ever get over. I assume he’s out of eligibility so he may as well rest up for the bowl game or retire from football. Then you have Tyree who most agree has been a pleasant surprise in the slot considering it’s his first year as a WR.

Thomas is a redshirt sophomore with two years of eligibility remaining after this one. He should absolutely be back next year.

The issue is he’s probably never gonna be a true WR1, more like a solid second or third option when healthy. The bigger issue is that’s probably how you’d describe every WR on the roster except Tobias who sucks and maybe Colzie. They are the two with the physical tools to be great WRs, and they haven’t really shown it.

There’s no one in our WR room who is really going to scare a defense all by himself. Which is why you need scheme and QB play to maximize their potential. But here we are.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Thomas is a redshirt sophomore with two years of eligibility remaining after this one. He should absolutely be back next year.

The issue is he’s probably never gonna be a true WR1, more like a solid second or third option when healthy. The bigger issue is that’s probably how you’d describe every WR on the roster except Tobias who sucks and maybe Colzie. They are the two with the physical tools to be great WRs, and they haven’t really shown it.

There’s no one in our WR room who is really going to scare a defense all by himself. Which is why you need scheme and QB play to maximize their potential. But here we are.

Nice. thanks for the info! You’re right, we need him back.

And I agree w/ the rest. I wasn’t trying to insinuate that Colzie or Thomas were #1 but they could’ve served as steady presence for the true freshmen while being trusty security blankets for Hartman. It’s far from ideal but I know that was my hope before the season started.

 

[stlnd01]

Nice. thanks for the info! You’re right, we need him back.

And I agree w/ the rest. I wasn’t trying to insinuate that Colzie or Thomas were #1 but they could’ve served as steady presence for the true freshmen while being trusty security blankets for Hartman. It’s far from ideal but I know that was my hope before the season started.

Yeah. I posted in one of the seven threads going on this topic but a healthy Colzie and Thomas would do a lot for our passing game, I think.

 

[Giddyup]

I don’t think we’re becoming WR U anytime soon. Don’t see that elite potential in our young guys yet.

 

[ulukinatme]

We haven't had a 1-2 punch at WR since Weis left. Stovall/Smardzija, Smardzija/McKnight, Tate/Floyd, plus the TEs that were all great and first made us #TEU. Kelly had a few good WRs that come in like Fuller and Claypool, but never really a dangerous WR duo combine for 2,000. The closest it happened under Kelly was in 2013 with TJ Jones going for 1100 yards and Davaris Daniels getting 745. Even under Weis if they didn't break 2,000 combined you know the TE was going for 400-600 yards. The WR position group just hasn't been that dominant since '09.

 

[Giddyup]

Get Rob Ianello on the phone

 

[ulukinatme]

Get Rob Ianello on the phone

Yeah, I'd take Bernie Parmalee for TEs too, but he's coaching the Jags RBs at the NFL level right now. Ianello is GM of the Kansas Jayhawks now? Strange.

 

[Giddyup]

I perused Stuckey’s bio. He was a two time All-AAC at Clemson at wr with a cup of coffee in the NFL. If he has any coaching ability…he should know what he’s teaching.

 

[irishff1014]

Another point to debate…

I like Stuckey, I think he has done a better job than Del. And I had thought he was doing a good job recruiting.(I know not hard to do)

I thought he was a good recruiter but all the freshman seem to be slot guys. That’s on him for not getting an outside guy.

In all these threads we keep seeing we are limited at most WR positions but not at the slot.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Another point to debate…

I like Stuckey, I think he has done a better job than Del. And I had thought he was doing a good job recruiting.(I know not hard to do)

I thought he was a good recruiter but all the freshman seem to be slot guys. That’s on him for not getting an outside guy.

In all these threads we keep seeing we are limited at most WR positions but not at the slot.

Definitely a valid point because Thomas isn’t a field, Tobias hasn’t developed into one, maybe smith or James will be but they clearly weren’t close to ready in 2023…. We went into this season without a field we prepared to be reliable

 

[Huntr]

Micah Gilbert is gonna be the field WR for a lot of plays next year.

 

[MacIrish75]

Or maybe Chansi prioritized getting guys with positional versatility who could see the field early regardless of where they lined up. The other thing that I think is unfair to Chansi is nobody giving him credit for preparing Rico/JG/Faison to play EXTREMELY meaningful reps at the college level. Maybe their physical traits are somewhat limited and they’re all “high floor” guys, but to argue that it doesn’t take preparation to play and succeed at the level ND plays at is insane to me. It’s possible—and very probable—that Del was awful at this and why none of our freshmen could never see the field previously.

This is just my opinion based off watching every game, but damn some of you guys just cannot be pleased. Chansi should get credit for the productivity of these true freshmen. Hire a S/C coach and give them an offseason to increase their explosiveness…but holy crap for three years we’ve gnashed teeth about freshmen wideouts not seeing the field and now that it’s happening AND they’re being productive, we’re still manufacturing reasons to be pissed. Miss me with all that.

 

[allenm5333]

Or maybe Chansi prioritized getting guys with positional versatility who could see the field early regardless of where they lined up. The other thing that I think is unfair to Chansi is nobody giving him credit for preparing Rico/JG/Faison to play EXTREMELY meaningful reps at the college level. Maybe their physical traits are somewhat limited and they’re all “high floor” guys, but to argue that it doesn’t take preparation to play and succeed at the level ND plays at is insane to me. It’s possible—and very probable—that Del was awful at this and why none of our freshmen could never see the field previously.

This is just my opinion based off watching every game, but damn some of you guys just cannot be pleased. Chansi should get credit for the productivity of these true freshmen. Hire a S/C coach and give them an offseason to increase their explosiveness…but holy crap for three years we’ve gnashed teeth about freshmen wideouts not seeing the field and now that it’s happening AND they’re being productive, we’re still manufacturing reasons to be pissed. Miss me with all that.

He is on record of saying he wants his WR core to have roles like a starting 5 in bball

 

[irishff1014]

Or maybe Chansi prioritized getting guys with positional versatility who could see the field early regardless of where they lined up. The other thing that I think is unfair to Chansi is nobody giving him credit for preparing Rico/JG/Faison to play EXTREMELY meaningful reps at the college level. Maybe their physical traits are somewhat limited and they’re all “high floor” guys, but to argue that it doesn’t take preparation to play and succeed at the level ND plays at is insane to me. It’s possible—and very probable—that Del was awful at this and why none of our freshmen could never see the field previously.

This is just my opinion based off watching every game, but damn some of you guys just cannot be pleased. Chansi should get credit for the productivity of these true freshmen. Hire a S/C coach and give them an offseason to increase their explosiveness…but holy crap for three years we’ve gnashed teeth about freshmen wideouts not seeing the field and now that it’s happening AND they’re being productive, we’re still manufacturing reasons to be pissed. Miss me with all that.

I never said he didn’t do a good job with the freshman. I am simply saying all the transfer threads, the talk is about having multiple slot guys and no depth at the other positions.

And I still think you’ll see at least one more transfer.

 

[MacIrish75]

I never said he didn’t do a good job with the freshman. I am simply saying all the transfer threads, the talk is about having multiple slot guys and no depth at the other positions.

And I still think you’ll see at least one more transfer.

Yeah this wasn’t directed solely at you—moreso at the theme around here that “we”want to move on from Chansi because he isn’t “developing” guys and because he hasn’t brought in a Malik Nabers type of unicorn, yet.

 

[irishff1014]

Yeah this wasn’t directed solely at you—moreso at the theme around here that “we”want to move on from Chansi because he isn’t “developing” guys and because he hasn’t brought in a Malik Nabers type of unicorn, yet.

Not this off season. But he doesn’t have more improvement after the 24 season then absolutely he should be on the hot seat. There is many schools that are doing a ton more with less talent than we have. 3 years is more than fair for any of our questions.

 

[ThePiombino]

Chansi isn't developing guys.

Faison says hi.

 

[NDohio]

On the II podcast Tim O was talking about Rico being a true freshman and leading the WR group in total snaps played. The last Freshman receiver to lead the position group in total snaps played was...well it has never happened that he could recall.

I think we all have seriously underrated how difficult of a job Stuckey has had to get the receiver room to even be functional.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

On the II podcast Tim O was talking about Rico being a true freshman and leading the WR group in total snaps played. The last Freshman receiver to lead the position group in total snaps played was...well it has never happened that he could recall.

I think we all have seriously underrated how difficult of a job Stuckey has had to get the receiver room to even be functional.

They returned four guys with any experience as a scholarship WR at the college level (Thomas, Colzie, Salerno, Merriweather). Three of them spent most of the year injured. The four combined for 35 receptions.

I think you can point to Merriweather's development as a demerit. Otherwise, I don't know what you want from Stuckey. Faison and Tyree were completely new to the position and had fantastic breakout years.

 

[NDFAN2008]

Yeah I think Stuckey is a hell of a coach and only going to get better. It's only gonna get better you'll have Freshman and Sophmores leading the team at WR next year.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

On the II podcast Tim O was talking about Rico being a true freshman and leading the WR group in total snaps played. The last Freshman receiver to lead the position group in total snaps played was...well it has never happened that he could recall.

I think we all have seriously underrated how difficult of a job Stuckey has had to get the receiver room to even be functional.

Well, yeah, but it's so much easier to piss and moan like a toddler that missed a nap rather than look at current circumstances and grasp what's actually happening in real time.

 

[Lberry]

On the II podcast Tim O was talking about Rico being a true freshman and leading the WR group in total snaps played. The last Freshman receiver to lead the position group in total snaps played was...well it has never happened that he could recall.

I think we all have seriously underrated how difficult of a job Stuckey has had to get the receiver room to even be functional.

Agree with this. Not sure we talk enough about how no one outside of the slot (Tyree/Fiason) can separate. It's not just a Rico problem. Thomas runs like a TE, Colzie pretty much the same, Greathouse a little better but wasn't really out there, TM was untrusted by QB.

 

[SoIll]

They returned four guys with any experience as a scholarship WR at the college level (Thomas, Colzie, Salerno, Merriweather). Three of them spent most of the year injured. The four combined for 35 receptions.

I think you can point to Merriweather's development as a demerit. Otherwise, I don't know what you want from Stuckey. Faison and Tyree were completely new to the position and had fantastic breakout years.

and none of them are good.