BVG Fired

[Cackalacky]

I am scared of Henry and his Charger.

 

[Circa]

When I first heard BK say this, I thought It was sarcasm as usual. Then It became real. Nyles is going to be a force, but 4 days of practice in that starting slot and 12 weeks of Gangsta is tough
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[Irish YJ]

Right now BVG is more Junior Mafia than Gangsta. I hope he can reclaim hi status this weekend. I do believe he can with the right scheme. Hurry up will certainly challenge us.

 

[CHIDomer9]

Was thinking about the task ahead for BVG this week. I think a week like this is precisely why having a coach with fresh experience in the NFL is a great thing. Think about an NFL roster at different points in the season. When he was with the Jets, BVG wouldn't have the luxury of inserting Nyles Morgan, a guy who has been with the team since June and at every practice and in every meeting all year long. In the NFL teams bring in guys off the street to fill holes on the defense all the time. Making adjustments to plug in a new MLB with a week to prepare should be something BVG is adept at.

 

[Irish#1]

BVG will probably give Morgan 3 or 4 sets if he makes the calls. Still won't be surprised if Jaylon makes the calls.

 

[Irish Insanity]

ttt

 

[IrishLax]

Defense played well. When Golson & Co. didn't completely bone them, they gave up.... what? 20 total points on 2 TD drives? On per drive basis that might not be great, and I'll have to check YPP. But holy hell did we absolutely shit the bed with mental and physical errors... and just absurd luck.

 

[koonja]

Defense played well. When Golson & Co. didn't completely bone them, they gave up.... what? 20 total points on 2 TD drives? On per drive basis that might not be great, and I'll have to check YPP. But holy hell did we absolutely shit the bed with mental and physical errors... and just absurd luck.

Mostly agree but the run defense was really bad.

 

[peoriairish]

Defense played well. When Golson & Co. didn't completely bone them, they gave up.... what? 20 total points on 2 TD drives? On per drive basis that might not be great, and I'll have to check YPP. But holy hell did we absolutely shit the bed with mental and physical errors... and just absurd luck.

That's the issue. Unreal luck with those TO. How many games have you ever seen with 3 tipped passes turn into INTs in the same game?! unreal.

BVG is still a gangster.

 

[IrishLax]

Mostly agree but the run defense was really bad.

Yeah, they weren't great.

Unrelated... offense gave up two TDs, and starting field position of 7, 13, and 23. Just gift wrapped 35 points. Not beating anyone doing that.

 

[TheChosen1]

You can put it on whoever you want. The defense has given up
43
31
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54

yes. Included in there are the pick 6's by EG

 

[irishff1014]

You can put it on whoever you want. The defense has given up
43
31
39
54

yes. Included in there are the pick 6's by EG

The sad part it the teams that score that much.

 

[ulukinatme]

I think we have to keep this in perspective here. BVG is coming in as a new DC with a scheme that our rivals aren't used to seeing. Given time, they may find a way to exploit it and attack it better, but for now we're doing a fantastic job keeping offenses on their heels. If BVG keeps it rolling that would be awesome, but I expect we'll see some fallout later as teams start getting more film on what he's doing.

Well ****, is it too late to change the thread title?

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Needs real 4-3 de, and maybe a dline coach that can teach a fuckin kid to shed a block.

 

[IrishLax]

You can put it on whoever you want. The defense has given up
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31
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54

yes. Included in there are the pick 6's by EG[/QUOTE]

So then no, the defense did not give up those point totals.

 

[Irish2155]

His defense the fist half, didn't have a chance.

2nd half, golden. We should have came back.

 

[blackirish]

You can put it on whoever you want. The defense has given up
43
31
39
54

yes. Included in there are the pick 6's by EG

and this has been my concern.

 

[Ignats]

Defense played well. When Golson & Co. didn't completely bone them, they gave up.... what? 20 total points on 2 TD drives? On per drive basis that might not be great, and I'll have to check YPP. But holy hell did we absolutely shit the bed with mental and physical errors... and just absurd luck.

Defense played well? What kind of standard are you holding the team to? They did come out firing in the second half but when they needed a stop they didn't get it. Absolutely terrible job in my opinion of not stacking the box against the run when we were down 3. Not sold on this scheme until it can attack and succeed against a solid team.

 

[CarrollVermin]

I didn't buy BVG at the onset and certainly do not buy him now. I thought the hype thrown his way after we beat a terrible UM team was the death of him. That set expectations that he was not going to be able to deliver.

Louisville is going to score 40 on us, as is USC. There are still two losses on the schedule and it will be largely in part to his inability to come up with a scheme to protect the back of his defense.

I don't buy the youth argument...sorry. Injuries and youth are part of the game. Recruit better if you want to use that argument. Sorry, my frustration with BVG has boiled over. I hope I am wrong, but there is no way that he can help lead us to three wins to close out the season.

 

[IrishLion]

The killer was getting within three, and then the defense melting on the next possession. I want to rewatch that drive. Was it simply perfectly executed by ASU? It seemed like key defenders were missing the plays by just three steps that whole drive. Were they tired?

I had almost no doubt in my mind that we were going to see a game-changer on that drive like in the Stanford game. But instead ASU marched straight down the field.

 

[CarrollVermin]

The killer was getting within three, and then the defense melting on the next possession. I want to rewatch that drive. Was it simply perfectly executed by ASU? It seemed like key defenders were missing the plays by just three steps that whole drive. Were they tired?

I had almost no doubt in my mind that we were going to see a game-changer on that drive like in the Stanford game. But instead ASU marched straight down the field.

We didn't have a game changer in the Stanford game. We scored to go up, then they drove down the field and scored to retake the lead. There was nothing earth shattering about his defense then either...just a terrible, terrible offense...which almost beat us.

 

[TheChosen1]

Question for you guys?

Who is our pass rusher on the defensive line? I don't think its Sheldon Day.
Who is our pass rusher for the future? An unproven Johhny Williams?

My point? We don't have one.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Not sure if it has been mentioned, but the starting defense yesterday had zero seniors. In the two deep yesterday only one player, Utupo, is not returning next year. Not sure how you expect to have an elite defense without any seniors. Not to mention first start for a freshman MLB and a sophomore corner.


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[IrishLion]

We didn't have a game changer in the Stanford game. We scored to go up, then they drove down the field and scored to retake the lead. There was nothing earth shattering about his defense then either...just a terrible, terrible offense...which almost beat us.

So that "blitz right up the gut when most teams are in 'prevent' mode" play wasn't a game changer? The one that forced grounding and ended the game?

 

[pkt77242]

The killer was getting within three, and then the defense melting on the next possession. I want to rewatch that drive. Was it simply perfectly executed by ASU? It seemed like key defenders were missing the plays by just three steps that whole drive. Were they tired?

I had almost no doubt in my mind that we were going to see a game-changer on that drive like in the Stanford game. But instead ASU marched straight down the field.

On the long play up the sideline to the running back on that drive it looked like Tranquill got suck in towards the middle of the field and left his part of the zone but without the benefit of replay (I fucking hate ASU stadium and their lack of showing replays) it is hard to tell for sure.

 

[Old Man Mike]

I have no issues with Van Gorder. In my opinion, he has worked a near miracle in putting together a decent defense with personnel having four returners [one of whom, Redfield, didn't yet understand his position.] He worked a near miracle with no healthy safeties who understood the mental aspect of how to play, and with no players at all who had experience in the new system. He incorporated more redshirt and true freshmen into a decent defense than I've ever seen in my life.

Now, he was "stuck" with grooming a walk-on middle linebacker because his one true stud MLB [Grace] could not yet go --- and now Grace still cannot go, and Hero Joe is also out for the rest of the season. The only apparently viable option [and still have an MLB in the game] is a talented young kid without a clue about the college game yet. And he was forced to play a super-dangerous ASU offense without one of his shutdown corners.

I'm not sure what some people expect that a DC can reasonably accomplish given those sorts of limitations. I'll "happily" sit by and listen to gripes about our never-know-what-to-expect quarterbacking, or even whether one can expect five OLinemen to block six rushers [though it's tough to listen to that as well] [but I do since Matt has a hard time containing a DT for more than a count or so]. But listening to what is to me completely irrational demands placed upon BVG crosses the line.

As to our DLine: I believe that Sheldon Day is an All-American. Maybe not first team, but he's getting doubleblocked most of the time, and is making furious efforts all game. I believe that once Andrew Trumbetti gets to the point where he can manage a larger "volume of work", we will have two FINE defensive ends. The other young studs also seem to be good potential pass-rush types with growth and reps. You do not get Jadaveon Clowney on your team just because you want him. DLinemen don't dominate every play no matter how good they are... and BVG MUST blitz, because we are not going to get there quickly going four rushers on five or six blockers.

If I thought that the defense was the worst thing to worry about on this team, I'd still be drinking the Koolaid.

 

[ThePiombino]

I have no issues with Van Gorder. In my opinion, he has worked a near miracle in putting together a decent defense with personnel having four returners [one of whom, Redfield, didn't yet understand his position.] He worked a near miracle with no healthy safeties who understood the mental aspect of how to play, and with no players at all who had experience in the new system. He incorporated more redshirt and true freshmen into a decent defense than I've ever seen in my life.

Now, he was "stuck" with grooming a walk-on middle linebacker because his one true stud MLB [Grace] could not yet go --- and now Grace still cannot go, and Hero Joe is also out for the rest of the season. The only apparently viable option [and still have an MLB in the game] is a talented young kid without a clue about the college game yet. And he was forced to play a super-dangerous ASU offense without one of his shutdown corners.

I'm not sure what some people expect that a DC can reasonably accomplish given those sorts of limitations. I'll "happily" sit by and listen to gripes about our never-know-what-to-expect quarterbacking, or even whether one can expect five OLinemen to block six rushers [though it's tough to listen to that as well] [but I do since Matt has a hard time containing a DT for more than a count or so]. But listening to what is to me completely irrational demands placed upon BVG crosses the line.

As to our DLine: I believe that Sheldon Day is an All-American. Maybe not first team, but he's getting doubleblocked most of the time, and is making furious efforts all game. I believe that once Andrew Trumbetti gets to the point where he can manage a larger "volume of work", we will have two FINE defensive ends. The other young studs also seem to be good potential pass-rush types with growth and reps. You do not get Jadaveon Clowney on your team just because you want him. DLinemen don't dominate every play no matter how good they are... and BVG MUST blitz, because we are not going to get there quickly going four rushers on five or six blockers.

If I thought that the defense was the worst thing to worry about on this team, I'd still be drinking the Koolaid.

Excellent points regarding the unrealistic expectations of BVG, OMM. I completely agree- yes, the D is struggling, but it's easy to see why and not NEARLY as bad as it prolly shold be. I'm not ready to annoint BVG the next coming, but there is NO DOUBT in my mind that he's the right DC this this team and that all of this that is happening this year is going to make this defense scary next year. KVR returning is exactly what the secondary needs. Morgan will be much more season now because of the JS injury. My main concern, echoed in an earlier post, is who will be our rushing DE? We desperately need one. It's amazing that we can't solve that through recruiting in the '15 class. Is there not a single stud rushing DE that sees he can step on campus and make a difference on a potential title contender on day 1?!?!!?

 

[IrishLax]

I didn't buy BVG at the onset and certainly do not buy him now. I thought the hype thrown his way after we beat a terrible UM team was the death of him. That set expectations that he was not going to be able to deliver.

Louisville is going to score 40 on us, as is USC. There are still two losses on the schedule and it will be largely in part to his inability to come up with a scheme to protect the back of his defense.

I don't buy the youth argument...sorry. Injuries and youth are part of the game. Recruit better if you want to use that argument. Sorry, my frustration with BVG has boiled over. I hope I am wrong, but there is no way that he can help lead us to three wins to close out the season.

Doesn't even make sense. You can't say you "don't buy the youth argument" and then admit that we're playing with absurd amounts of youth but that it's "part of the game."

True frosh MLB, two soph OLBs, RS soph DT, junior DT, soph DE, true frosh DE, two soph CBs, soph safety, junior safety. Not one senior on the entire defense... 9/11 are underclassmen. And missing FIVE projected upperclassmen starters to injury/suspension.

People pointing the finger at BVG for these point totals are ignorant. Outside of Navy, there hasn't been a "bad" scheme in any single game. Only thing you can look at is a weakness in red zone defense that I think is partially on scheme.

 

[kmoose]

I didn't buy BVG at the onset and certainly do not buy him now. I thought the hype thrown his way after we beat a terrible UM team was the death of him. That set expectations that he was not going to be able to deliver.

Louisville is going to score 40 on us, as is USC. There are still two losses on the schedule and it will be largely in part to his inability to come up with a scheme to protect the back of his defense.

I don't buy the youth argument...sorry. Injuries and youth are part of the game. Recruit better if you want to use that argument. Sorry, my frustration with BVG has boiled over. I hope I am wrong, but there is no way that he can help lead us to three wins to close out the season.

The defense played well enough, last night, to win the game........... if the offense does its job and doesn't give it away like a crack whore looking for a fix. The defense is not great, but it is good enough. The offense is dynamic enough to make up for the limitations of the defense. And the defense is capable of putting together two or three great performances. It's not the prom queen, but it's a very respectable 8.

 

[Rack Em]

Bvg can only do so much when your QB has 17 turnovers in 5 games. Especially with Riggs and Schmidt hurt.

He can't turn chicken shit into chicken salad.