Brian Kelly to LSU, per report

[stlnd01]

IIRC, Weis was the one who finally got a training table at ND.

What are some other off the field triumphs coaches have had in making the program more competitive in the modern world?

I’m genuinely curious who is responsible for what in terms of where the program is from a positive contribution standpoint, not trying to flame any coaches.


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Weis also demonstrated that ND could land elite recruits after Davie mostly complained about our academic requirements, and Willingham acted like recruiting was beneath him. I think Ty was the first to really lean into everyone wearing green in the stadium?

Most of the more brick-and-mortar and staff investments came under Kelly.

To be fair, the game has changed so much since the pre-Weis era - there’s so much more money in it now - that any improvements made in the 2000s would feel antiquated. And, for all the complaints, Jenkins and Swarbrick seem far more invested in football than Malloy and Kevin White ever did.

 

[CANONIZEFATHERSORIN]

Another 10 years of people joking on ND could have collapsed the program into apathy.

Yes, agreed completely. I remember during the 2012 season, prior to when I became an ND fan, I was just genuinely happy for the Irish because they had been a laughingstock (aside from Weis and whatever the "bush push" was - says a lot about the state of our fandom we were celebrating losing a game lmao) and had their first great season in my living memory. College football is better when the legendary teams are good. Without the Kelly BCS and Playoff appearances our program would have descended into mediocrity and apathy and probably never gotten up (see, e.g. Nebraska and Pitt)

You do realize many schools have gone longer than ND without doing anything, and then became great again. It’s literally the history of college football. The majority of the pain ND has gone through is self inflicted wounds about sticking to traditions that at one time were innovations. That and the admissions. The only thing I give credit to Kelly is he kept ND in the discussion during his time but his big game record is an absolute joke. Name another supposed elite coach with BK’s record in big games?

Honestly I don't really think this comparison holds. Schools that have had rough decades and come back (USC, Tennessee maybe, even Alabama) had natural recruiting advantages we just don't. If ND football gets down, it will be a lot harder to get back up with all our built-in recruiting advantages...like South Bend in february.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Yes, agreed completely. I remember during the 2012 season, prior to when I became an ND fan, I was just genuinely happy for the Irish because they had been a laughingstock (aside from Weis and whatever the "bush push" was - says a lot about the state of our fandom we were celebrating losing a game lmao) and had their first great season in my living memory. College football is better when the legendary teams are good. Without the Kelly BCS and Playoff appearances our program would have descended into mediocrity and apathy and probably never gotten up (see, e.g. Nebraska and Pitt)

I agree that I think Pitt's glory days are long behind them; they just don't really seem relevant anymore, a true lower - mid tier P5 team. You know they're going to give you a good fight when you draw them on your schedule but they just don't have the talent year in and year out to compete for anything meaningful.

Nebraska, on the other hand, still feels like a sleeping giant to me. That's a rabid fanbase, they just haven't really been able to get things going in the B1G yet, but let's see if Rhule can turn that program around. I have a good feeling he can and will.

 

[Irish#1]

IIRC, Weis was the one who finally got a training table at ND.

What are some other off the field triumphs coaches have had in making the program more competitive in the modern world?

I’m genuinely curious who is responsible for what in terms of where the program is from a positive contribution standpoint, not trying to flame any coaches.


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Didn't Ty get the greens and sand traps redone?

 

[Irish#1]

Yes, agreed completely. I remember during the 2012 season, prior to when I became an ND fan, I was just genuinely happy for the Irish because they had been a laughingstock (aside from Weis and whatever the "bush push" was - says a lot about the state of our fandom we were celebrating losing a game lmao) and had their first great season in my living memory. College football is better when the legendary teams are good. Without the Kelly BCS and Playoff appearances our program would have descended into mediocrity and apathy and probably never gotten up (see, e.g. Nebraska and Pitt)



Honestly I don't really think this comparison holds. Schools that have had rough decades and come back (USC, Tennessee maybe, even Alabama) had natural recruiting advantages we just don't. If ND football gets down, it will be a lot harder to get back up with all our built-in recruiting advantages...like South Bend in february.

I'm not a big believer that weather is that big of a factor. Look at all of the northern basketball programs that don't have a problem recruiting talent. Winters aren't mild in Ann Arbor, Syracuse or East Lansing.

 

[ndfanatic78]

Yes, agreed completely. I remember during the 2012 season, prior to when I became an ND fan, I was just genuinely happy for the Irish because they had been a laughingstock (aside from Weis and whatever the "bush push" was - says a lot about the state of our fandom we were celebrating losing a game lmao) and had their first great season in my living memory. College football is better when the legendary teams are good. Without the Kelly BCS and Playoff appearances our program would have descended into mediocrity and apathy and probably never gotten up (see, e.g. Nebraska and Pitt)



Honestly I don't really think this comparison holds. Schools that have had rough decades and come back (USC, Tennessee maybe, even Alabama) had natural recruiting advantages we just don't. If ND football gets down, it will be a lot harder to get back up with all our built-in recruiting advantages...like South Bend in february.

And people say that about OSU, ND, PSU, and all other northern schools. Hell Deon doesn't seem to have any issues bringing in talent to CU and their winters are way worse than South Bend. The fact is if ND has a good coach and the administration is behind him they will win. There isn't another school with the national brand of ND. Even when they suck they are talked about on national sports shows. There are also more than just the 3 schools you listed that have fallen and come back. I will agree to disagree with you on this.

ND is different than every other school. It's been stated by students and athletes both who went there and traveled there to play. It's why Marshal showed up and played their greatest game in over 2 decades. It's why Georgia fans showed up in droves and paid through the nose for the opportunity to be inside the House that Rockne built. It's why there are movies about the school that were huge successes and people still watch and know about today. It's a different place and when the school commits to "Playing Like a Champion" it can be every bit as dominate as Alabama and more. I wish for just 10 years ND would take the gloves off and play by the same rules the SEC does. You would see a juggernaut like never before. Even during the Holtz era there were restrictions he had that no other major coach in America had to deal with and he should have had 3 National Championships (2 without question).

 

[stlnd01]

On a list of factors that hold back Notre Dame football I don’t think I’d put the weather in the top 10.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

IIRC, Weis was the one who finally got a training table at ND.




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Yes, but he did it for selfish reasons.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Forget BK. He is gone. I like the guy but he isn't here. Freeman is so likable but can he be a screw-turner. Can he take control over the assistants?

I almost think the OC and DC moving on might mature Freeman even more. It would be great if he got us back to 10+ wins a season. I just fear he is too easy on everyone.

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

And people say that about OSU, ND, PSU, and all other northern schools. Hell Deon doesn't seem to have any issues bringing in talent to CU and their winters are way worse than South Bend. The fact is if ND has a good coach and the administration is behind him they will win. There isn't another school with the national brand of ND. Even when they suck they are talked about on national sports shows. There are also more than just the 3 schools you listed that have fallen and come back. I will agree to disagree with you on this.

ND is different than every other school. It's been stated by students and athletes both who went there and traveled there to play. It's why Marshal showed up and played their greatest game in over 2 decades. It's why Georgia fans showed up in droves and paid through the nose for the opportunity to be inside the House that Rockne built. It's why there are movies about the school that were huge successes and people still watch and know about today. It's a different place and when the school commits to "Playing Like a Champion" it can be every bit as dominate as Alabama and more. I wish for just 10 years ND would take the gloves off and play by the same rules the SEC does. You would see a juggernaut like never before. Even during the Holtz era there were restrictions he had that no other major coach in America had to deal with and he should have had 3 National Championships (2 without question).

ND ever actually played that game the NCAA would ban everything with the quickness.

ESPN and the SEC would be so up in arms they'd probably agree to stop paying even under the table.

They need a relevant ND, but they fear a dominant ND.

 

[BeatSC]

He's not better than Lou. Lou has a statue and a national championship. Lou beat #1 teams at their peak.

Lou had a more flexible admissions standard that allowed for some of our biggest players to play at ND. Kelly could have used some of that.

 

[Irish#1]

Forget BK. He is gone. I like the guy but he isn't here. Freeman is so likable but can he be a screw-turner. Can he take control over the assistants?

I almost think the OC and DC moving on might mature Freeman even more. It would be great if he got us back to 10+ wins a season. I just fear he is too easy on everyone.

He's already got on Tommy a couple of time for some plays he called, but if he knows how to manage people, he's not going to make those tough love discussions public to anyone.

 

[TheProspector]

Lou had a more flexible admissions standard that allowed for some of our biggest players to play at ND. Kelly could have used some of that.

Brian Kelly went 4-8 in year 7. He lost games to Tulsa, Navy x2, South Florida, Duke, and Northwestern. He was 4-6 against Stanford.

Easier admissions or not, he’s not even in the same conversation as Lou in terms of coaching ability.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Lou had a more flexible admissions standard that allowed for some of our biggest players to play at ND. Kelly could have used some of that.

IIRC, Lou was allowed like four Prop 48 kids a cycle, and had Vinny Cerato, recruiting legend.

Also, IIRC, Urban walked away and went to Florida because he demanded 3-4 “no questions asked” kids a cycle, and the admin said no way.


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[irish4ever]

Brian Kelly went 4-8 in year 7. He lost games to Tulsa, Navy x2, South Florida, Duke, and Northwestern. He was 4-6 against Stanford.

Easier admissions or not, he’s not even in the same conversation as Lou in terms of coaching ability.

Not even in the same universe as Lou was! One thing that Kelly holds over Lou though is that he's a complete douche whereas Lou isn't! Kuck Felly, that fake-ass prick!!!

 

[Irishdrunk]

IIRC, Lou was allowed like four Prop 48 kids a cycle, and had Vinny Cerato, recruiting legend.

Also, IIRC, Urban walked away and went to Florida because he demanded 3-4 “no questions asked” kids a cycle, and the admin said no way.


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And thats how you win titles. You need to have serious admission flexibility to be able to recruit ALL PROSPECTS. ND has admissions, serious academics and now NIL as filters to lessen the Top Talent prospect pool greatly. NIL sucks. Transfer Portal rules suck. All of which favor SEC type programs.

 

[Irishdrunk]

He's already got on Tommy a couple of time for some plays he called, but if he knows how to manage people, he's not going to make those tough love discussions public to anyone.

You have never seen Nick Saban coach? He can be very tough on his assistants. Now many of which are ex-HCs themselves. They can take the heat for the money they are being paid. Freeman needs to get smart and oversee these coaches.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

And thats how you win titles. You need to have serious admission flexibility to be able to recruit ALL PROSPECTS. ND has admissions, serious academics and now NIL as filters to lessen the Top Talent prospect pool greatly. NIL sucks. Transfer Portal rules suck. All of which favor SEC type programs.

Look at Chris Zorich. He was prop 48, and ended up with a law degree.

The theme with Lou was “bring them in, and if they can’t hack it, or start trouble, we will remove then.”

It’s a joke that people buy into the illusion that college athletes are “normal students.” They are not, and with NIL, you could argue they are employees of the university to a small degree.


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[Te'o4Heisman]

Forget BK. He is gone. I like the guy but he isn't here. Freeman is so likable but can he be a screw-turner. Can he take control over the assistants?

I almost think the OC and DC moving on might mature Freeman even more. It would be great if he got us back to 10+ wins a season. I just fear he is too easy on everyone.

If he got us back to 10+ win seasons?? He just won 9 games with a smurf at QB, no WR’s and 2 of the losses being a really tight game on the road against a top 3 team that just went toe to toe until the last second against UGA, and the other being on the road in a game where the eventually Heisman winner and a pretty legit offense was just a little too much. You act like he’s been winning 7-8 games a year for a couple years now. Fuckin delusional.

Look at next years schedule too. Not just the big 3 games but all the games against teams that went 8-5 or 9-4 in P5 conferences. It will be our toughest slate in years and the type of schedule that still gets us in the playoffs with 1 loss.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

IIRC, Lou was allowed like four Prop 48 kids a cycle, and had Vinny Cerato, recruiting legend.

Also, IIRC, Urban walked away and went to Florida because he demanded 3-4 “no questions asked” kids a cycle, and the admin said no way.


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Vinny Cerrato is a recruiting legend. Don’t know how he’d be in today’s market where all the factories have resources & tv contracts.

I never heard Urban demanding 4 exceptions, he simply looked at ND’s roster & UF’s roster and then factored in weather (his wife reportedly hated South Bend) & admissions and it was a slam dunk.

I did hear that Bob Stoops demanded 4-5 academic exceptions & was flat out denied so he decided to stick w/ OU

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

ND offered Meyer half the AAV of Florida and on a shorter contract, to boot (on the heels of firing a coach after 3 years which included a BCS bowl appearance).

 

[Irishdrunk]

If he got us back to 10+ win seasons?? He just won 9 games with a smurf at QB, no WR’s and 2 of the losses being a really tight game on the road against a top 3 team that just went toe to toe until the last second against UGA, and the other being on the road in a game where the eventually Heisman winner and a pretty legit offense was just a little too much. You act like he’s been winning 7-8 games a year for a couple years now. Fuckin delusional.

Look at next years schedule too. Not just the big 3 games but all the games against teams that went 8-5 or 9-4 in P5 conferences. It will be our toughest slate in years and the type of schedule that still gets us in the playoffs with 1 loss.

It was his choice to have a smurf as #2 QB as he and OC decided against a QB Transfer so that is his responsibility. You say no WRs...well I think there were some decent ones (Tobias, Linzey, Styles, Colzie) but when the Offense gives them so little targeting because everything pass related went to Mayer....

Interesting you don't mention the two stupid losses. That is why I hope they get back to 10-2. Get rid of the stupid, Noob losses.

I think 9-3 is a likely and decent outcome next year. I think 10-2 would be indeed impressive but I think 8-4 is more likely than 10-2.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

You say no WRs...well I think there were some decent ones (Tobias, Linzey, Styles, Colzie) but when the Offense gives them so little targeting because everything pass related went to Mayer....

 

[Irishdrunk]

Oh boy...You love posting your gifs.....thanks little guy.

 

[GowerND11]

Vinny Cerrato is a recruiting legend. Don’t know how he’d be in today’s market where all the factories have resources & tv contracts.

I never heard Urban demanding 4 exceptions, he simply looked at ND’s roster & UF’s roster and then factored in weather (his wife reportedly hated South Bend) & admissions and it was a slam dunk.

I did hear that Bob Stoops demanded 4-5 academic exceptions & was flat out denied so he decided to stick w/ OU

Cerrato was calling kids on a BRICK* from the sidelines telling them what the next play was and having them talk to players on the sideline. He was revolutionary and ahead of the game. No idea what he would do to get a leg up like that today.

*I think he had either a couple phones or a couple batteries ready to go to switch out for the calls.

 

[Torpedo Vegas]

Nobody is going to mention the situation bw his WR Coach, Boutte, and his recruiting coordinator?

 

[317Irish]

Nobody is going to mention the situation bw his WR Coach, Boutte, and his recruiting coordinator?

Lol

 

[BeatSC]

hoping they are all out on the street and at least have a good video to remember their moments.

 

[Torpedo Vegas]

hoping they are all out on the street and at least have a good video to remember their moments.

Except one of them will be a multi millionaire in a few months.

 

[Torpedo Vegas]

It was his choice to have a smurf as #2 QB as he and OC decided against a QB Transfer so that is his responsibility. You say no WRs...well I think there were some decent ones (Tobias, Linzey, Styles, Colzie) but when the Offense gives them so little targeting because everything pass related went to Mayer....

Interesting you don't mention the two stupid losses. That is why I hope they get back to 10-2. Get rid of the stupid, Noob losses.

I think 9-3 is a likely and decent outcome next year. I think 10-2 would be indeed impressive but I think 8-4 is more likely than 10-2.

No, 9-3 isn’t good enough. 10-2 has to be the standard. They need to get 1 win bw Ohio St, USC, and Clemson.