Brian Kelly to LSU, per report

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And Freeman is better at the pre-game pep talk. Kelly sounds like he's trying to get nursing home patients to switch to a different Medicare Managed Care plan.

Give me the guy who gets the players to run through the wall.
So much of current sports culture is about this, in addition to regular work place culture. Right now, I wouldn't run through a paper banner at the homecoming game for my current employers let alone a wall. I have a few people I work with who are awesome though and would do anything for them. I think this goes a very long way in any kind of group setting, but a college football team? Give me the guys who love each other and will do anything for the guy next to them...and their coaches. They can probably make up for some of the limitations on the roster athletically.

Same goes for any organization. If they bust their asses and work hard with passion it came make up for some of the company's shortcomings.
 

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And this is why the future is UNKNOWABLE.

On 12/14/2020 Clark Lea was named head football coach at Vanderbilt.
Brian Kelly was the head coach at Notre Dame
Ed Orgeron was the head coach at LSU, less than a year away from hoisting the cup.
Marcus Freeman was the Defensive coordinator for the Cincinnati Bearcats, and much in demand.

On this board, and many others, there was "weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Assume the following hypothetical:

I got on the board and posted:

"I am Browner and Fry and I know EVERYTHING! You'uns don';t know caca from Shinola.
Your fears are groundless. So SHUT UP AND LISTEN!

Not only will Freeman not go to LSU but he will sign with Notre Dame to coach for Kelly.

But wait, there's more!

A year from now *remember our date here is 12/14/2020* Orgeron will have been ousted from his seat in Red Stick in a more or less bloodless coup.

LSU will hire Brian Kelly to replace him and the ND players and alums will roll over the anonymous ND Athletic Director and Marcus Freeman will be the head football coach at ND by acclaim.

And here's the lagniappe, or the extra dusting of file' on the gumbo

In Easter Week of 2022, Ed Orgeron will bring his three sons to Notre Dame for a week and will hang out at Notre Dame practices and meet with the coaches, including the Free Man who picked Kelly and ND over Orgeron and LSU>"

On that date, Orgeron and Freeman, accompanied by Al Golden (yeah, him) will be in South Bend
Brian Kelly and Brian Polian and Mike Denbrock in Baton Rouge.


You can thank me later for this searing prophecy!~"

(So endeth the 12/14/2020 post.)

And that laddies and lassies, is why the Future is Unknowable.
 

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I’m not sure how to take this, but I don’t feel like it’s sour grapes at all to say BK was/is a prick. I’ve been saying it since year one and nothing he has done has made me think otherwise. In the same breath I have said that I appreciate what he has done/did for us as a coach (this is an addendum I’ve only added in the last couple of years).
I watched wayyyy too many pre game and post game press conferences over the years, coupled of course by the podcasts and articles that spoke to what the journalist were hearing or seeing to ever come away with a different opinion of him. He’s more than one thing, but he certainly is a prick.
There's been plenty of good coaches that were pricks. Bill Belichick is the reigning president of that organization.
 

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Rees is a dick by all the rumours I am hearing and also a useless QB coach which is verifiable. Oh wait he is still at ND so we have to give it a minute before we start saying stupid things about him endlessly.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I'm having a real hard time rationalizing how Rees is a useless QB coach. He turned a 3 star QB into an NFL player and the winningest QB in ND history. He had all three QBs prepared to play last season, and each did pretty well when their number was called. Coan in particular was a cast-off from Wisconsin and managed to break a Fiesta Bowl record. So, I'm not really sure what you're basing this opinion on. Is it because 5 star Phil didn't live up to billing? He hasn't exactly lit the world on fire at BC, so it seems more likely the scouts got it wrong.

As far as the "dick" rumors go, the guy had a chance to leave ND to make more money at LSU, Miami, and other programs (And in some cases probably work with more talent) but chose to stay at ND at least for the coming season because he didn't want to abandon the team like that.
 
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I'm having a real hard time rationalizing how Rees is a useless QB coach. He turned a 3 star QB into an NFL player and the winningest QB in ND history. He had all three QBs prepared to play last season, and each did pretty well when their number was called. Coan in particular was a cast-off from Wisconsin and managed to break a Fiesta Bowl record. So, I'm not really sure what you're basing this opinion on. Is it because 5 star Phil didn't live up to billing? He hasn't exactly lit the world on fire at BC, so it seems more likely the scouts got it wrong.

As far as the "dick" rumors go, the guy had a chance to leave ND to make more money at LSU, Miami, and other programs (And in some cases probably work with more talent) but chose to stay at ND at least for the coming season because he didn't want to abandon the team like that. I'm not sure he's the dick here...
Not to mention a number of players supported him sayin he was the best coach they had ever had/called on the admin to boost his pay/celebrated when he said he wasn't leaving.

I had a dick for an assistant coach while playing baseball in college. If this case happened I would have paid out of my own pocket if it meant he left with the head coach.
 

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my Rees comments were sarcastic, I just hate this character assasination shit. Especially this vague “oh there’s something out there that I know about and if I mention it he will never work again but I’m so good I won’t mention it”. That is as lame as it gets and you all sound like a bunch of me too crazies.
I feel like I am the only ND fan who can legit say I still like BK. He is a class act from all I can see and he blind sided us by leaving for money and a better opportunity to win as he sees it - get over it.
 

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my Rees comments were sarcastic, I just hate this character assasination shit. Especially this vague “oh there’s something out there that I know about and if I mention it he will never work again but I’m so good I won’t mention it”. That is as lame as it gets and you all sound like a bunch of me too crazies.
I feel like I am the only ND fan who can legit say I still like BK. He is a class act from all I can see and he blind sided us by leaving for money and a better opportunity to win as he sees it - get over it.
Class act is definitely a bridge too far for me lol. Kelly was many things, including a darn good football coach, but classy is definitely not a word I'd use to describe him.
 

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my Rees comments were sarcastic, I just hate this character assasination shit. Especially this vague “oh there’s something out there that I know about and if I mention it he will never work again but I’m so good I won’t mention it”. That is as lame as it gets and you all sound like a bunch of me too crazies.
I feel like I am the only ND fan who can legit say I still like BK. He is a class act from all I can see and he blind sided us by leaving for money and a better opportunity to win as he sees it - get over it.

Thanks for the clarification. It can be hard to separate the truth from the haters here, especially when it comes to Rees :LOL:

I honestly don't hate BK. I can recognize that he left the program in a better place than when he found it. He pushed for stadium renovations, he pushed for program improvements in places like the Gug. He got us back to the big stage, even if we couldn't win there. I'm grateful that he made ND relevant again, even if it took a disastrous 2016 season to get there. I'm not a fan on how he left, I thought he could have handled that much better...and I think he made the wrong choice in leaving because you don't abandon ND for another school. That said it was probably his time to go, we'll either be better or worse off because of it. So...I try to remember the good stuff and instead of focusing on the negative I'm going to focus on a hopefully bright future with MF.
 

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He is definitely classier than for example Saban.
Never said Saban was classy so idk how exactly that's relevant here lol. You don't leave ND the way he did, and continue to take shots at the university/football program/student athletes that he coached at ND, and get to be called classy. I don't have a personal grudge against the guy for leaving, but to say he's a "class act" is pretty wild to me.
 

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Right. It's not difficult to simultaneously: (1) be grateful for how BK elevated the program; (2) be unhappy with how he left the program; and (3) be happy that Freeman is now our coach instead of Kelly.
Agreed:
but add (4) sick of hearing repeated stupid posts about how BK was a monster behind the scenes and has horrible skeletons in his closet.
 

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All I got from that article was the main reason (other than the money) that Baloney tits BK left, was food.
 

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my Rees comments were sarcastic, I just hate this character assasination shit. Especially this vague “oh there’s something out there that I know about and if I mention it he will never work again but I’m so good I won’t mention it”. That is as lame as it gets and you all sound like a bunch of me too crazies.
I feel like I am the only ND fan who can legit say I still like BK. He is a class act from all I can see and he blind sided us by leaving for money and a better opportunity to win as he sees it - get over it.
Huh??? I get that you’re calling people out for supposed “revisionist history”, but I can’t help but to feel you’re leaning too hard in the wrong direction. Honestly I’m pretty baffled that <99% can’t admit that BK was a prick. It’s was right there in plain sight for all of us to witness for like 12 years or so? This one article about him bashing ND doesn’t change much for me.
 

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Agreed:
but add (4) sick of hearing repeated stupid posts about how BK was a monster behind the scenes and has horrible skeletons in his closet.
It comes with the territory. We're all emotionally invested in this team. Like after any breakup, a certain % of people are going to convince themselves "he was always an asshole, and I'm better off without him anyway." No sense in getting upset over basic human nature.
 

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So in the course of my job in Harrisburg. I've met and talked to a lot of former players some who were on our radar.
All I have heard about Kelly is that he's an arrogant prick.
I haven't heard that from anyone who played at ND.
 

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It comes with the territory. We're all emotionally invested in this team. Like after any breakup, a certain % of people are going to convince themselves "he was always an asshole, and I'm better off without him anyway." No sense in getting upset over basic human nature.
Sometimes human nature is right. For example, every time Koon is banned, I convince myself it's for the better. Turns out, each time I have been right.
 
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I feel like I am the only ND fan who can legit say I still like BK. He is a class act from all I can see and he blind sided us by leaving for money and a better opportunity to win as he sees it - get over it.
Where you have it wrong is that Kelly needs to get over it. He’s crying about petty shit in the media and making excuses for his failures, and you know the dude is way too savvy politically. He knows his bitching is getting back to the University, the team, the fanbase, and the sport’s world. This is disrespectful to Notre Dame, which is why you are seeing a justified response to him acting like an asshole presently.

While I agree with you that the mystery comments about he’s a prick because he did this and that (but shhh it’s a secret) are a bad look, Kelly certainly isn’t demonstrating class by using Notre Dame and particularly the players as a springboard for his lazy-ass justfications.

That’s called bullshit, and self-inflicted character assassination.

Although Saban might be more of a prick, he doesn’t have to throw others under the bus to explain why he’s never won anything worth a statue.
 

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Agreed:
but add (4) sick of hearing repeated stupid posts about how BK was a monster behind the scenes and has horrible skeletons in his closet.
There’s enough smoke at this point hinting at a massive burned bridge with BK and football alumni that nobody on the beat will straight up come out and say why that is.

We have people on this board with inside info, so I figured we’d actually get some insight instead of the ND beat playing nice but teasing us with these one-off comments.

The majority of coaches have “skeletons” in their closest and most fan bases will never know because it’s never reported. So it’s interesting to revisit after the fact because the tight lips keeping those stories in get a bit looser.

Also, it’s a message board in the off-season. We have to have something to talk about (until we land Dante Moore).
 
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Right. It's not difficult to simultaneously: (1) be grateful for how BK elevated the program; (2) be unhappy with how he left the program; and (3) be happy that Freeman is now our coach instead of Kelly.
4.) Yearn for Urban Meyer
 

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Where you have it wrong is that Kelly needs to get over it. He’s crying about petty shit in the media and making excuses for his failures, and you know the dude is way too savvy politically. He knows his bitching is getting back to the University, the team, the fanbase, and the sport’s world. This is disrespectful to Notre Dame, which is why you are seeing a justified response to him acting like an asshole presently.

While I agree with you that the mystery comments about he’s a prick because he did this and that (but shhh it’s a secret) are a bad look, Kelly certainly isn’t demonstrating class by using Notre Dame and particularly the players as a springboard for his lazy-ass justfications.

That’s called bullshit, and self-inflicted character assassination.

Although Saban might be more of a prick, he doesn’t have to throw others under the bus to explain why he’s never won anything worth a statue.
Here’s where I have to do the shitty thing and be the contrarian…

I really don’t think Kelly is taking shots at ND intentionally, nor do I think he is using ND as a springboard to show why LSU is a better situation for himself and his championship aspirations.

I honestly think he probably believes it’s pretty savvy that he gets to talk to his buddy Russo at the AP, talk up LSU, and the only light shot he has to take at his former job is the idea that the lack of a chef means they aren’t aligned in how they each need to progress anymore… and I kind of agree with that stance, if that’s where he’s at.

He’s too politically smart to take legit shots at ND. It would be easy for him to get a bit more specific about the obstacles a coach faces at ND, and he could even do it without talking down about his prospective student athletes at LSU… but instead, he gives some easy, generic quotes about finding a situation that aligns with his desire to win a championship, and all he has to do is shit on ND’s training table in order to get his point across.

It honestly doesn’t offend me, and I think he’s actually handled the unprecedented situation of being THE guy to leave Notre Dame (of all places!) for another job without having been fired, with a lot of tact. It would be so easy for him to go a step too far in his criticisms, and take it to a place that could actually do some damage to his former employer and force ND-related people to answer tough questions in the media… but he hasn’t done that. And I think that’s a pretty okay thing.

Now, this doesn’t mean that half of what he says isn’t bullshit that is aimed at absolving his own big-game short comings, and talking around the fact that he left ND for more money and an easier road in recruiting and a better chance at catching lightning in a bottle… but I don’t think his “shots” at ND are the insults that people believe.
 

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I mean I supported BK because he was our coach…

But we sort of saw all we needed to see with “Purple Face” BK in his very first game. Sure it was a meme and went viral, etc, but in reality that is just who he is. The stress of that moment brought out his inner character.

I don’t exactly wish him well, but I think both parties are better off.
 
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Here’s where I have to do the shitty thing and be the contrarian…

I really don’t think Kelly is taking shots at ND intentionally, nor do I think he is using ND as a springboard to show why LSU is a better situation for himself and his championship aspirations.

I honestly think he probably believes it’s pretty savvy that he gets to talk to his buddy Russo at the AP, talk up LSU, and the only light shot he has to take at his former job is the idea that the lack of a chef means they aren’t aligned in how they each need to progress anymore… and I kind of agree with that stance, if that’s where he’s at.

He’s too politically smart to take legit shots at ND. It would be easy for him to get a bit more specific about the obstacles a coach faces at ND, and he could even do it without talking down about his prospective student athletes at LSU… but instead, he gives some easy, generic quotes about finding a situation that aligns with his desire to win a championship, and all he has to do is shit on ND’s training table in order to get his point across.

It honestly doesn’t offend me, and I think he’s actually handled the unprecedented situation of being THE guy to leave Notre Dame (of all places!) for another job without having been fired, with a lot of tact. It would be so easy for him to go a step too far in his criticisms, and take it to a place that could actually do some damage to his former employer and force ND-related people to answer tough questions in the media… but he hasn’t done that. And I think that’s a pretty okay thing.

Now, this doesn’t mean that half of what he says isn’t bullshit that is aimed at absolving his own big-game short comings, and talking around the fact that he left ND for more money and an easier road in recruiting and a better chance at catching lightning in a bottle… but I don’t think his “shots” at ND are the insults that people believe.
This is fair and I appreciate the difference of opinion. Actually, if you read it in a generous light, his saying “I felt like I did everything that I could at Notre Dame and they felt like they did everything they could for me” could be his quiet acknowedgment that he didn’t have what it takes to win at ND considering all the opportunities ND granted him as coach. Lol.

We know Kelly isn’t like that though. His cuts are extremely measured. For this reason, my biggest issue is his contrasting LSU players with ND players. Stating that LSU players “want to be great” is not a slip up. That’s where he gets zero love from me as an ND fan.
 
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