Brian Kelly Revisited (RIP BOZO)

[Dizzyphil]

Weis was humbled after that 3-9 year. Most of that offense took their lumps in 2007 and 2008 because they were all freshmen and sophomores. In Weis' last year, 2009, it was a top ten offense nationally.

The piss poor defense cost him his job in 2009.

His defense was always exhausted.... Jimmy never lived up to the hype to the expectations of a Limo and a handful of rings on signing day

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

His defense was always exhausted.... Jimmy never lived up to the hype to the expectations of a Limo and a handful of rings on signing day

His defense had lack of continuity in coaching and scheme, and the entire team suffered from disregard to strength/ nutrition.

Clausen didn't deliver Heisman's or Natty's, but he broke several ND passing records (in 3 years) and was NOT the reason Weis got fired.

 

[Irishize]

another good read is ‘Talking Irish’ by Steve Delsohn

Agreed. I own that book and would predict every fan on this board would enjoy this book. In fact, if you didn’t become a fan until post-Holtz, this book is a must read.

 

[Irishize]

His defense had lack of continuity in coaching and scheme, and the entire team suffered from disregard to strength/ nutrition.

Clausen didn't deliver Heisman's or Natty's, but he broke several ND passing records (in 3 years) and was NOT the reason Weis got fired.

Agreed, Clausen is a Heisman finalist if ND’s defense doesn’t collapse. Say what you want about the punky prima donna but he put together one helluva junior year on the field. I still remember how close they were to finally beating SC.

 

[BobbyMac]

Agreed, Clausen is a Heisman finalist if ND’s defense doesn’t collapse. Say what you want about the punky prima donna but he put together one helluva junior year on the field. I still remember how close they were to finally beating SC.

Yeah, who knows what he would have done in 2010? Would it have been better than 3700 yds / 28 TD / 4 Int / 68%? Yes he lost Golden but he would've added Riddick, Eifert, TJ Jones & Diaco to Floyd and Rudolph.

Not too shabby.

 

[Dizzyphil]

His defense had lack of continuity in coaching and scheme, and the entire team suffered from disregard to strength/ nutrition.

Clausen didn't deliver Heisman's or Natty's, but he broke several ND passing records (in 3 years) and was NOT the reason Weis got fired.

Post was not even close to stating Clausen was Weis' demise.. Weis was his own worst enemy.


Bowl embarrassments, loss to Navy after 1k years, losing to a Syracuse team that couldn't beat the cheerleaders... he had two good seasons but finished 35-27... after proclaiming all defenders of the Irish needed to 'Be Aware' of the play-calling they were going to encounter.


Leppy, I ain't banging on your post(s)... but Weis tried to install/instill an offense and field a team that was in disregard of what the defense could/would be able to do. His comment was - 'They will have to find a way to out-score our (my) schemes".

 

[SouthernIndianaNDFan]

Post was not even close to stating Clausen was Weis' demise.. Weis was his own worst enemy.


Bowl embarrassments, loss to Navy after 1k years, losing to a Syracuse team that couldn't beat the cheerleaders... he had two good seasons but finished 35-27... after proclaiming all defenders of the Irish needed to 'Be Aware' of the play-calling they were going to encounter.


Leppy, I ain't banging on your post(s)... but Weis tried to install/instill an offense and field a team that was in disregard of what the defense could/would be able to do. His comment was - 'They will have to find a way to out-score our (my) schemes".

Spoiler Alert...they found a way.

 

[Dizzyphil]

Spoiler Alert...they found a way.

numerous times......

 

[Irish#1]

My counterpoint would be that Charlie Weis signed some top rated on the back of 9/10 win seasons and his NFL pedigree. I believe ND can sign a lot more highly rated players than they currently do.

Yes, however Charlie was able to sell his SB rings and OC experience from the NFL. That kind of bling will attract kids. BK doesn’t have that or a NC to dangle in front of recruits.

 

[stlnd01]

Yes, however Charlie was able to sell his SB rings and OC experience from the NFL. That kind of bling will attract kids. BK doesn’t have that or a NC to dangle in front of recruits.

I think more than the bling it was his proven ability to develop QBs and WRs, in particular.

 

[OhioIrish31]

So the majority of those were busts, while 3 were good. And yes it did hurt because we were below scholarship limits AND did not have alternatives as those positions that busted. Kelly admitted to counting too much on his front line prospects and not building depth behind them.

Attrition is a fact of life and you have to over-recruit up front to deal with it. Kelly has admitted to changing his philosophy on this as well, while being honest with the recruits about the situation. Several accepted it and ended up getting their scholies in the end. We are not Bama here in being unscrupulous to our kids, but WE ARE planning the roster turnover much better than before and it shows.

It's ok to miss the 85 number...that gives ND the opportunity to do the feel-good walk-on gets scholly story...then we award them with Captain status (along with our punter)...then these guys scare the shat out of opposing teams. Point is, we don't recruit enough impact players. period.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Post was not even close to stating Clausen was Weis' demise.. Weis was his own worst enemy.


Bowl embarrassments, loss to Navy after 1k years, losing to a Syracuse team that couldn't beat the cheerleaders... he had two good seasons but finished 35-27... after proclaiming all defenders of the Irish needed to 'Be Aware' of the play-calling they were going to encounter.


Leppy, I ain't banging on your post(s)... but Weis tried to install/instill an offense and field a team that was in disregard of what the defense could/would be able to do. His comment was - 'They will have to find a way to out-score our (my) schemes".

Disagree again. Your original argument was that Weis' offense was too complicated. Quinn and Clausen were pretty sharp, talented QB's who produced. Offense wasn't the problem.

 

[Dizzyphil]

They , Clausen an Quinn were gun-slingers. The offensive scheme never worked for Weis. They became one dimensional

 

[Rogue219]

Glad ND is currently not in position of any of the following:

Miami
Florida State
Texas
Michigan State
Nebraska
USC
Stanford
Tennessee

Would also think you'd have to put academic rivals Duke, Vanderbilt and Northwestern in there too though football isn't necessarily a priority at those places like it is ND.

 

[SouthernIndianaNDFan]

Glad ND is currently not in position of any of the following:

Miami
Florida State
Texas
Michigan State
Nebraska
USC
Stanford
Tennessee

Would also think you'd have to put academic rivals Duke, Vanderbilt and Northwestern in there too though football isn't necessarily a priority at those places like it is ND.

Football's a priority at Notre Dame?

 

[SouthernIndianaNDFan]

How about Tom Herman crapping his pants so far at Texas? Many thought he was the ND savior, but if he can't recruit and win at Texas, he would've got eaten alive at ND. Hindsight's 20/20 I guess?

 

[MNIrishman]

How about Tom Herman crapping his pants so far at Texas? Many thought he was the ND savior, but if he can't recruit and win at Texas, he would've got eaten alive at ND. Hindsight's 20/20 I guess?

Just like ND, Texas has structural advantages and disadvantages. It's entirely possible that what is hanging him up in Texas would not be such an issue at another school.

 

[Irish#1]

Just like ND, Texas has structural advantages and disadvantages. It's entirely possible that what is hanging him up in Texas would not be such an issue at another school.

Possibly, yet he doesn't have the same academic restrictions and he's smack dab in the middle of one of the three hottest recruiting states in the country while being the "state" school.

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

Possibly, yet he doesn't have the same academic restrictions and he's smack dab in the middle of one of the three hottest recruiting states in the country while being the "state" school.

I Think he is a good coach and would thrive in say the Big Ten. He needs total control. He isn't getting that at Texas or ND.

 

[BabyIrish]

How about Tom Herman crapping his pants so far at Texas? Many thought he was the ND savior, but if he can't recruit and win at Texas, he would've got eaten alive at ND. Hindsight's 20/20 I guess?

The fans want him fired. They're pretty delusional over there

 

[ACamp1900]

The fans want him fired. They're pretty delusional over there

Not even done with year two.... They are special though. I find they typically have major blinders on.

My brother in law comes to mind. My wife and OTHER BIL went to Oklahoma. The Texas fan BIL never attended, grew up an Irish fan but lived in Texas as an adult and now he's "big time longhorn fan"... When they fell from grace I'd tell him to calm down because every program (even the big ones like Bama and ND) has down periods, "That doesn't happen to TEXAS Tho!!" Texas is going to win the natty every freakin year and he gives my OU Alum Wife and BIL grief for not being loyal to HIM and rooting for Texas....

He's special.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

The fans want him fired. They're pretty delusional over there

They returned 8 starters from last year, per Phil Steele. That's tied for last in the FBS.

But they returned their QB, which is all many fans notice, so expectations were not adjusted.

 

[EvilleIrish]

They returned 8 starters from last year, per Phil Steele. That's tied for last in the FBS.

But they returned their QB, which is all many fans notice, so expectations were not adjusted.

They were also well above average in one possession games.

 

[BeauBenken]

They returned 8 starters from last year, per Phil Steele. That's tied for last in the FBS.

But they returned their QB, which is all many fans notice, so expectations were not adjusted.

The media was fooled too as they were ranked higher in the preseason than they probably should have been.

They have also been decimated by injury.

Texas fans probably need to step back from the ledge. It's funny that the tipping point was when a really good Baylor team beat them and not losing to a down TCU or squeaking by Kansas.

The Big 12 this year has also just been cannibalistic. Too many quality up and coming coaches in addition to Les Miles and Gary Patterson and Mike Gundy. That league is going to continue to be tough.

I would give Herman at least a couple more years before considering firing him. Next year they should be good.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

They returned 8 starters from last year, per Phil Steele. That's tied for last in the FBS.

8-5 would be a respectable record under those circumstances. Let's see if they can pull wins out of Tech and their bowl game.

 

[Luckylucci]

And he's recruiting at a very impressive clip so the expectation should be to let him get through an entire class, 4 years, before any potential changes. That gives him next year which to show significant improvement.

 

[BabyIrish]

Not even done with year two.... They are special though. I find they typically have major blinders on.

My brother in law comes to mind. My wife and OTHER BIL went to Oklahoma. The Texas fan BIL never attended, grew up an Irish fan but lived in Texas as an adult and now he's "big time longhorn fan"... When they fell from grace I'd tell him to calm down because every program (even the big ones like Bama and ND) has down periods, "That doesn't happen to TEXAS Tho!!" Texas is going to win the natty every freakin year and he gives my OU Alum Wife and BIL grief for not being loyal to HIM and rooting for Texas....

He's special.

One of the UT fans I know was literally trying to convince me why a three loss UT team that beat OU in the big 12 game would make the playoff. They’re all “special”

 

[BabyIrish]

And he's recruiting at a very impressive clip so the expectation should be to let him get through an entire class, 4 years, before any potential changes. That gives him next year which to show significant improvement.

That’s what I was trying to tell my UT fans. He’s just completing year three. Not one full recruiting class if his has gone fully through the program. All he said was three years is the new standard and Herman can’t cut it. I said if you fire him after this year, your looking right down the barrel of becoming Tennessee and Miami.

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

Are there talks about Kelly getting an extension? I hope so and definitely think he deserves one. Best 3 year stretch I can remember and recruiting is on point right now.

 

[Luckylucci]

Are there talks about Kelly getting an extension? I hope so and definitely think he deserves one. Best 3 year stretch I can remember and recruiting is on point right now.

Posted this in another thread but probably best suited here. If we beat Stanford it would be only the second time in school history that we've won 10+ games in 3 consecutive seasons. Last and only other time was 91, 92, and 93. I'd say that's pretty damn good.