Brian Kelly Revisited (RIP BOZO)

[IrishLax]

I mean, that stat is basically bullshit. That 2012 team had a bunch of Kelly players playing HUGE roles. Very clever of them to subjectively draw the line there as "post-Weis"...

 

[kmoose]

I worked 16 hours per week, was President of a club, a contributing member of a few others, and generally didn't put all that much effort into my studies while a student at ND. I did fine. That is just anecdotal evidence and maybe I was a bit smarter than some of these players but I think the "struggles with class work" are severely overblown. Yes, some players may struggle and probably don't belong at ND academically, but this surely doesn't apply to more than a handful of players on the team.

I get what you are saying, but it isn't really about how much time ND players put in to their academics, on it's own. It's how much time they have to put in, compared to other teams around the country.

You know why senior leadership is so important in college football? There's a limit on how much time the coaches can spend with the players during the week, but there is NO limit on how much time the players spend together, running drills or watching film, without the coaches. So a guy who is a "coach type", like Tommy Rees was, can spend as much time as he has, in the film room with other players getting them ready for this week's opponent. So I think it really does make a difference, for ND, that their players have to be real students.

 

[NDShark]

I normally don't like these dumbass articles, but, kinda funny

THE PICTURE OF BRIAN KELLY - Every Day Should Be Saturday

 

[NDFAN420]

I mean, that stat is basically bullshit. That 2012 team had a bunch of Kelly players playing HUGE roles. Very clever of them to subjectively draw the line there as "post-Weis"...

No, just fine for their sampling purposes. A coach is commonly said to completely own a team when it is filled by his recruiting classes alone; ie a commonly used benchmark. In your defense, it certainly isn't a "holistic" view of his time with the program - I just wouldn't call it bullsquat.

2012 = Manti Teo

 

[IrishLax]

No, just fine for their sampling purposes. A coach is commonly said to completely own a team when it is filled by his recruiting classes alone; ie a commonly used benchmark. In your defense, it certainly isn't a "holistic" view of his time with the program - I just wouldn't call it bullsquat.

2012 = Manti Teo

But the 2013 still had Weis players, so why not include that one then? In fact, every captain was a Weis recruit if you consider the 2010 class Weis recruits. The QB was a Weis recruit. The line in the sand is arbitrary.

The 2012 team had a Kelly QB, dominant Weis TE, mix of Weis/Kelly WRs, Weis RBs with a sprinkle of Kelly, almost entirely Weis OL. On defense, the dominant DL had Tuitt/Day as Kelly recruits, LB major players were Weis guys, and secondary was mostly Kelly.

The first year that Kelly really had exclusively his own players is 2014. They went 8-5, then 10-3, now 2-5. So that's very bad, makes a similar point to the tweet.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Soft landing for BK with the Jets?

 

[DCirishfan]

Soft landing for BK with the Jets?

Lol he aint going to nfl lol

 

[PANDFAN]

fantastic read

fantastic read

Notre Dame went from a reasonable top-10 pick to 2-5. Here’s what’s gone wrong - SBNation.com

 

[NDgradstudent]

F. Lee Swarbrick on this week's propoganda show on the State Television Network: "We were in a position to win the game." We are in a position to beat garbage teams that get destroyed by functional teams (i.e. Wisconsin, Washington, even WF! Lol). Apparently this is acceptable to the higher-ups. What a disgrace.

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[irishff1014]

Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarbrick says Brian Kelly won't be coaching for his job

This is going to make a lot of people mad!!! Go Irish!

 

[Irish#1]

All of the changes in the last 7 years and we are doubting the administration's dedication to winning football? Structurally there are a lot of things in place that individually would have been viewed as impossible 10 years ago - collectively inconceivable! Field turf, video board, stadium music, smoke entering the stadium, night games at home, training table, luxury boxes (I mean that IS what campus crossroads is all about right?), 7 figure assistant pay checks...

Just because #1 is academics does not mean that #2 is fully neglected.

Excellent post.

Disagree that current fanbase only cares about winning. I'm part of that fanbase and still want ND to be unique in regardless academics and preparing student athletes up for the future. Perhaps you meant the kids in the fanbase?

 

[Irish#1]

Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarbrick says Brian Kelly won't be coaching for his job

This is going to make a lot of people mad!!! Go Irish!

The proverbial "Kiss of Death"?

I'm at most of the practices. I'm at training table. I have an office at the Gug [football complex] in addition to my other office. I get to see the program day in and day out and I continue to have great confidence in Brian and confidence in our future as a program."

Swarbrick said he has spent more time with Kelly this season than in past seasons, but the nature of those meetings are targeted on narrow issues

Keeping a close eye on things. I wonder how BK feels about Jack watching over his shoulder?

 

[NDRock]

The proverbial "Kiss of Death"?



Keeping a close eye on things. I wonder how BK feels about Jack watching over his shoulder?

No kidding. Jack's not going to come out and blast Kelly and the program.

 

[IrishLion]

Maybe this is like that time where BK said "coaching is the least of my worries from that game"


and then proceeded to fire BVG the next day.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Michigan had to dump Brandon before they got Harbaugh. We have to do the same, imo. F. Lee Swarbrick can stay on as AD for non-football sports, we need a football-specific AD. One who knows something about football, not a contract lawyer.

 

[BobbyMac]

Michigan had to dump Brandon before they got Harbaugh. We have to do the same, imo. F. Lee Swarbrick can stay on as AD for non-football sports, we need a football-specific AD. One who knows something about football, not a contract lawyer.

NDg, where did you do your undergrad?

 

[stlnd01]

Michigan had to dump Brandon before they got Harbaugh. We have to do the same, imo. F. Lee Swarbrick can stay on as AD for non-football sports, we need a football-specific AD. One who knows something about football, not a contract lawyer.

Ok.

 

[NDgradstudent]

NDg, where did you do your undergrad?

No comment, I have to worry about getting a faculty job and academics are extremely petty when it comes to hiring (and everything else). Not an FBS football school though. Why do you care?

 

[BobbyMac]

No comment, I have to worry about getting a faculty job and academics are extremely petty when it comes to hiring (and everything else). Not an FBS football school though. Why do you care?

Just curious. You're very opinionated about the Irish as a grad student from somewhere else. Just wondered if your first school drove you nuts too. And I'm not saying that in a bad way. I didn't attend ND and I'm full of opinions about the Irish, 10x more than the 3 schools I attended. But I grew up nearby in the 70's so there is that component to the equation.

 

[NDgradstudent]

BREAKING: Swarbrick spotted outside the football stadium!

 

[Irish Insanity]

BK publicly supported BVG days before his firing.......

 

[NDohio]

Michigan had to dump Brandon before they got Harbaugh. We have to do the same, imo. F. Lee Swarbrick can stay on as AD for non-football sports, we need a football-specific AD. One who knows something about football, not a contract lawyer.

Wow. This is quite the post.


It sure has been interesting to watch your evolution from a casual fan to this passionate, hate everything about the current football program, super fan.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Just curious. You're very opinionated about the Irish as a grad student from somewhere else. Just wondered if your first school drove you nuts too. And I'm not saying that in a bad way. I didn't attend ND and I'm full of opinions about the Irish, 10x more than the 3 schools I attended. But I grew up nearby in the 70's so there is that component to the equation.

I did not grow up in an area where college football is big. I had no connection to ND until coming here. I am a big sports fan, however, and obviously there are lots of sports to see at ND so naturally I'm now a fan. I also have had several FB players in class. I have no vendetta against Kelly, nor did I want him gone when I came, etc. I've seen four seasons up close: 9-4, 8-5, 10-3 (with losses to the good teams we played), and now 2-5 and getting worse. We need to move on. Otherwise, prepare for a vision of the future: imagine 8-5 seasons- forever.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Wow. This is quite the post.


It sure has been interesting to watch your evolution from a casual fan to this passionate, hate everything about the current football program, super fan.

Whereas for most fans, 2-5 starts to the season are just another day in the park?

When the facts change, I change my opinion. What do you do?

 

[NDohio]

Whereas for most fans, 2-5 starts to the season are just another day in the park?

When the facts change, I change my opinion. What do you do?

It's not the fact that you are upset with the program this year, it's that when you first came on this site you were very focused and intense on all things political and kinda passive and laid-back on the football threads. Ever since the Duke loss you come off as this very angry fan that has been a ND fan that lives and dies ND football. It's just been a rather interesting transition.

 

[ulukinatme]

BREAKING: Swarbrick spotted outside the football stadium!

Did you do this?

I'm just curious. I wasn't aware we had any Photoshop talent outside of Beau.

 

[Irish#1]

Michigan had to dump Brandon before they got Harbaugh. We have to do the same, imo. F. Lee Swarbrick can stay on as AD for non-football sports, we need a football-specific AD. One who knows something about football, not a contract lawyer.

Swarbrick isn't the problem.

 

[NDRock]

Michigan had to dump Brandon before they got Harbaugh. We have to do the same, imo. F. Lee Swarbrick can stay on as AD for non-football sports, we need a football-specific AD. One who knows something about football, not a contract lawyer.

It's year 7!
It's year 71
It's year 7!
It's year 7!
It's year 7!

Just trying to help you out, I'm sure you forgot that by mistake.

 

[Shamrock Theories]

Michigan had to dump Brandon before they got Harbaugh. We have to do the same, imo. F. Lee Swarbrick can stay on as AD for non-football sports, we need a football-specific AD. One who knows something about football, not a contract lawyer.

This is "coach-speak" from Jack. If ND struggles next year, BK is done

And the hiring of BK in the first place make complete sense. The #1 Predictor of success at ND has been proven success as a college HC (Ara, Lou had it. Faust, Davie, Ty, Weis didn't)

BK had that in spades.

 

[NDgradstudent]

It's not the fact that you are upset with the program this year, it's that when you first came on this site you were very focused and intense on all things political and kinda passive and laid-back on the football threads. Ever since the Duke loss you come off as this very angry fan that has been a ND fan that lives and dies ND football. It's just been a rather interesting transition.

I'm glad you've been following my career on IE- I am still plenty 'political'; however, the election is boring and absurd. There is little point in arguing about it. Furthermore, given that both the election and ND football are trainwrecks, I figured I could only address one regularly. When actual political issues return to the scene next year, look for me to return to discussing politics often.

And the hiring of BK in the first place make complete sense. The #1 Predictor of success at ND has been proven success as a college HC (Ara, Lou had it. Faust, Davie, Ty, Weis didn't)

BK had that in spades.

I think BK was a good hire.

Just trying to help you out, I'm sure you forgot that by mistake.

You're right, I did! Did you know it's year 7? Some BK defenders here seem to think it's year 2.

Did you do this?

I'm just curious. I wasn't aware we had any Photoshop talent outside of Beau.

I did. Thanks for the compliment.