Brian Kelly Revisited (RIP BOZO)

[Irish YJ]

Kiffen .....yep, I said it.

Only if I can have a go with Layla...

 

[ulukinatme]

Jon Gruden!

You forgot the italics.

Only if I can have a go with Layla...

Well, she's available now. Joey Freshwater fucked up!

 

[BeatSC]

You forgot the italics.



Well, she's available now. Joey Freshwater fucked up!

I think "The Donald" would approve.

 

[Meatloaf]

Jon Gruden!

Something something spider Y2 Banana

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Firing someone isn't about who you get as a replacement.

Kelly needs to be fired because he brought BVG in and waited too long to fire him. Granted it is with hindsight, but BVG needed to be fired by the OSU game.

Kelly needs to be fired because his game strategies are just absolute bull shit. Running wide and throwing across the field in near hurricane conditions? That is cause.

Let alone, having no option to chance blocking schemes to a man on approach in inclement weather! These guys couldn't even stand up today! WTF?


Now we will see if Swarbrick has the balls to handle the situation. Because leaving Kelly in charge means that kids that can bolt this year will. I would personally tell DK to get out of Dodge before he gets killed. But I doubt I would have to even say anything.

After taking the blame a couple of games ago, he was just abused and abandoned by his coach today.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Here's a fun stat: ND is 2-4 and those six opponents are a combined 15-16 with only one win against a Power 5 school (besides their win over ND, and it's Wake Forrest). Also, the remaining teams on ND's schedule are a combined 21-8. And Navy just beat Houston.

Buckle up. 3-9, 4-8....real possibility.

 

[irishff1014]

This you need experience is BS. I think Sanford could probably do a really good job. Of course he would need a op notch Defensive Coordinator. I would be ok with Hiestand,Denson,Denbrock (as WR coach only) staying after that i am not sure that the other coaches have done enough to keep their jobs.

Herman
Strong
Dabo
Fisher
Shaw
Patterson

That's a list with out really looking that were Coordinators and have done pretty good. I know i could put a list together of coaches that didn't do so hot too.

 

[ulukinatme]

Lady Luck is a fickle mistress....Kizer is poised to be a high draft pick if he continues putting up big numbers, yet he's 2-8 in his last 10 games and just 10-17 as a starter. He'll have fewer wins than Clausen even. Reesus prevails!

 

[ulukinatme]

This you need experience is BS. I think Sanford could probably do a really good job. Of course he would need a op notch Defensive Coordinator. I would be ok with Hiestand,Denson,Denbrock (as WR coach only) staying after that i am not sure that the other coaches have done enough to keep their jobs.

Herman
Strong
Dabo
Fisher
Shaw
Patterson

That's a list with out really looking that were Coordinators and have done pretty good. I know i could put a list together of coaches that didn't do so hot too.

It really depends on who the HC was that they learned under, and how long they've been in the game. If they've been around college football awhile, chances are they've watched their boss long enough to be able to slide into a HC job. Few are able to just jump into a big time program though. Most of those guys above had tutelage with a very good coach, like Holtz, Urban, or Bobbuh Bowden.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Firing someone isn't about who you get as a replacement.

Kelly needs to be fired because he brought BVG in and waited too long to fire him. Granted it is with hindsight, but BVG needed to be fired by the OSU game.

Kelly needs to be fired because his game strategies are just absolute bull shit. Running wide and throwing across the field in near hurricane conditions? That is cause.

Let alone, having no option to chance blocking schemes to a man on approach in inclement weather! These guys couldn't even stand up today! WTF?


Now we will see if Swarbrick has the balls to handle the situation. Because leaving Kelly in charge means that kids that can bolt this year will. I would personally tell DK to get out of Dodge before he gets killed. But I doubt I would have to even say anything.

After taking the blame a couple of games ago, he was just abused and abandoned by his coach today.

Yes, it absolutely is about who would replace BK if he's fired or leaves. If you're ND you can't fire Kelly unless you know you can do better with his replacement. Same goes for Texas and LSU.

 

[ACamp1900]

I think you can add Oregon to the list.... They'd also be super intriguing for Herman....

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Fuente was one of the hot names last season while at Memphis. Doubt he would leave Va Tech after one year however. Seems like the Hokies made a good hire thus far. Plus, he has a really good DC in Foster that helps out. Could ND get Fuente? Unlikely at this point IMO.

Key is made a good hire thus far. Brady Hoke won the sugar bowl his first year. Everyone was singing his Michigan man praises then...long way to go with Fuente.

Honestly if Kelly was released I want someone off the radar. Like a Peter Carrol type hire.


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[Spitfire]

Yes, it absolutely is about who would replace BK if he's fired or leaves. If you're ND you can't fire Kelly unless you know you can do better with his replacement. Same goes for Texas and LSU.

There is some merit to that, but how long do you put up with underachievement and discontent before you make a move? At some point the results on the field have to dictate change, and if not now.....when? I've seen enough of Kelly over seven seasons to know what he is and that change should be made regardless of who we ultimately end up with to replace him with. I wouldn't fire him in season, but this looks like an 8 or 9 loss team and he should be gone the day after the season ends if those results prove true.

 

[Spitfire]

Key is made a good hire thus far. Brady Hoke won the sugar bowl his first year. Everyone was singing his Michigan man praises then...long way to go with Fuente.

Honestly if Kelly was released I want someone off the radar. Like a Peter Carrol type hire.


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People mock it.....but Gruden might have the best chance at having a Pete Carrol like impact. Kid's would line up at the door to play for him.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

There is some merit to that, but how long do you put up with underachievement and discontent before you make a move? At some point the results on the field have to dictate change, and if not now.....when? I've seen enough of Kelly over seven seasons to know what he is and that change should be made regardless of who we ultimately end up with to replace him with. I wouldn't fire him in season, but this looks like an 8 or 9 loss team and he should be gone the day after the season ends if those results prove true.

Kelly's time at ND has been a roller coaster. I think too many ND fans are acting like it's been year after year of 6 or 7 win teams and that's not the case.

 

[Bluto]

I think you can add Oregon to the list.... They'd also be super intriguing for Herman....

Actually, Kelly at Oregon would be a good fit.

 

[ulukinatme]

People mock it.....but Gruden might have the best chance at having a Pete Carrol like impact. Kid's would line up at the door to play for him.

People mock it because Gruden isn't coming, not because he wouldn't have an impact.

 

[Bluto]

Kelly's time at ND has been a roller coaster. I think too many ND fans are acting like it's been year after year of 6 or 7 win teams and that's not the case.

I think the Vangorder hire has been the single biggest mistake BK has ever made. Totally torpedoed this years team before it even had a chance.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

I think the Vangorder hire has been the single biggest mistake BK has ever made. Totally torpedoed this years team before it even had a chance.

Agree, no doubt.

 

[Spitfire]

People mock it because Gruden isn't coming, not because he wouldn't have an impact.

How do we know that? He has always been open to returning to coaching if the right opportunity presented itself. Would that be ND? Might be. It's a candidate Swarbrick should contact to gauge his interest in if Kelly does get fired.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

People mock it.....but Gruden might have the best chance at having a Pete Carrol like impact. Kid's would line up at the door to play for him.

Why would anyone mock you. Gruden should be at the top of the list.


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[irishff1014]

Watching the Washington/Oregon game and Oregon has more positive energy on the sideline losing 21 than we do when we win.

 

[philipm31]

So you wish CW was still coaching ND...? WTF?

THIS.

At this point, paying Kelly NOT to coach ND ever again would be the prudent move, financially and otherwise. With the way that he consistently is blaming players for his shortcomings as a coach on a weekly basis, I can see ND de-commitments becoming a large problem.

Kelly is not the future of the Irish football program. Everyone can see that now, I hope. He is a builder. He has done a great job rebuilding ND, but he is not going to win a title at ND. Some coaches are that kind of coach. Kelly is not.

 

[GBdomer]

If we want to be crazy give John Gruden a blank check, Chris Pederson would be perfect but he will never leave because of his son and is a west coast guy. PJ Fleck needs a couple years, Lane Kiffin would be crazy but I am not sure I would hate it. Think Saban has taught him and he would recruit and bring in some great recruiters.

Ok, I am done with my dreams and crazy talk

 

[philipm31]

I think the Vangorder hire has been the single biggest mistake BK has ever made. Totally torpedoed this years team before it even had a chance.

I agree with at assessment about BVG, but I really want to point out that the previous post referenced roller-coasters as the definition of the Kelly Era.

Well, Faust beat the DEFENDING NATIONAL CHAMPION at home, but even that was not enough to save him because his seasons were a roller coaster every year and every week. Roller coasters are not fun, ever, and you end up getting off of them, shortly after you get onto them. Seven years is a long enough roller coaster.

Kelly should be having consistently great years after year seven, it is just that simple. ND, with this level of talent, should never ever win fewer than 9 games. As I pointed out in a previous post, this is the fourth season out of seven that ND was out of the running for a national title under Kelly, and that 11 September losses in 7 years means you can count on at least one crippling loss early in the season, at least half the time. That is not a recipe for sustained success.

He has done great work rebuilding ND, but it is time to get someone who can finish the rebuilding process and take ND to the next level, because BK is not that guy. There is nothing wrong with that, and there is nothing wrong with admitting that, either.

It is clearly time for all parties to move onto the next phase.

 

[philipm31]

I dont see ND winning another game. Maybe against Army, but thats it.

Sad but true.

Even that game could be tougher than we would like, seeing as how Navy is the following week.

I still think that Hudson has done a much better job with the Defense and I am not thinking we need to score 50ppg anymore just to win.

With BVG, that would be my fear, that ND would need to hang 50 on Army just to be safe.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

THIS.



At this point, paying Kelly NOT to coach ND ever again would be the prudent move, financially and otherwise. With the way that he consistently is blaming players for his shortcomings as a coach on a weekly basis, I can see ND de-commitments becoming a large problem.



Kelly is not the future of the Irish football program. Everyone can see that now, I hope. He is a builder. He has done a great job rebuilding ND, but he is not going to win a title at ND. Some coaches are that kind of coach. Kelly is not.

I guess Kelly is Notre Dame's Mark Richt, but he doesn't win as much as Richt.


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[mgriff]

Where is my damn insider information with rumblings from inside the program?

 

[philipm31]

I guess Kelly is Notre Dame's Mark Richt, but he doesn't win as much as Richt.


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Actually, no he does not.

And if you look at what Richt is doing with scraps at Miami, I think you need to realize he knows how to coach too. I think he is like Kelly, in that I don't see him ever winning a national title, but he does know how to build a program.

It will be interesting to see what happens with UGA now that he is gone, though.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Actually, no he does not.



And if you look at what Richt is doing with scraps at Miami, I think you need to realize he knows how to coach too. I think he is like Kelly, in that I don't see him ever winning a national title, but he does know how to build a program.



It will be interesting to see what happens with UGA now that he is gone, though.

Dude we are on the same page. That is what I'm saying.


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