Brian Kelly Contract

[phork]

The longer ND waits, the more its going to cost.

 

[NDinL.A.]

I don't buy any of this nonsense. Kelly isn't going anywhere. I haven't seen a link to any report. All I've seen is speculation.

Kelly interviewed with the Eagles immediately after the BCS title game, did well enough to receive a very lucrative offer that was very 'committable' by all accounts, and sat on that offer for quite a few days before eventually saying no. No way should we be comfortable in his commitment to ND.

I know of very few sports writers who would keep a story this big under their hat.

Actually, in college football, it happens a lot. The paysites run the real news for college football, and when their team does well, subscriptions go up. When there is crappy news out there that can't exactly be corroborated by facts or statements from major players, they aren't going to go with it when it hurts the program. Think about all the reports on Johnny Manziel. Who knows more about his exploits than A&M insiders? And yet you hear NOTHING about him from them that puts him in a negative light (until maybe after the news breaks). Do people really believe they don't have good dirt on him? Child please...that kid is so stupid and brazen he is a story every time he steps out the house. But you hear nothing from their reporters.

Another example closer to home. At a tailgate at the spring game, an ISD reporter was telling a couple of us a story about how he got a tip from someone about a great story that he would have broken. And since he knows one of the coaches really well, he went to the coach and the coach confirmed it. But the coach asked him not to say anything, and the reporter honored his request. Or how about EV? Reporters told us this info at the tailgate, and TP told some of us the week before. But yet the reporters sat on the story, as juicy as it was. Shoot, there was a juicy story in the spring that would have put ND in an absolutely awful light, and the reporters all knew about it. But no one wrote about it, and still no one has. If Hamilton of one of the Chicago papers got a hold of it, HE'D run with it, but the local reporters rightfully didn't.

As for Kelly to TX, no one really buys it at this point at all. It's much more the NFL that I'm concerned with.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Kelly interviewed with the Eagles immediately after the BCS title game, did well enough to receive a very lucrative offer that was very 'committable' by all accounts, and sat on that offer for quite a few days before eventually saying no. No way should we be comfortable in his commitment to ND.



Actually, in college football, it happens a lot. The paysites run the real news for college football, and when their team does well, subscriptions go up. When there is crappy news out there that can't exactly be corroborated by facts or statements from major players, they aren't going to go with it when it hurts the program. Think about all the reports on Johnny Manziel. Who knows more about his exploits than A&M insiders? And yet you hear NOTHING about him from them that puts him in a negative light (until maybe after the news breaks). Do people really believe they don't have good dirt on him? Child please...that kid is so stupid and brazen he is a story every time he steps out the house. But you hear nothing from their reporters.

Another example closer to home. At a tailgate at the spring game, an ISD reporter was telling a couple of us a story about how he got a tip from someone about a great story that he would have broken. And since he knows one of the coaches really well, he went to the coach and the coach confirmed it. But the coach asked him not to say anything, and the reporter honored his request. Or how about EV? Reporters told us this info at the tailgate, and TP told some of us the week before. But yet the reporters sat on the story, as juicy as it was. Shoot, there was a juicy story in the spring that would have put ND in an absolutely awful light, and the reporters all knew about it. But no one wrote about it, and still no one has. If Hamilton of one of the Chicago papers got a hold of it, HE'D run with it, but the local reporters rightfully didn't.

As for Kelly to TX, no one really buys it at this point at all. It's much more the NFL that I'm concerned with.

 

[NDinL.A.]

BK doesn't need rumors to negotiate with ND. They know he is grossly underpaid and he will have higher paying opportunities by seasons end.

I'm not putting much stock in the rumors that have sprung up on this thread today. Let's get back to speculating future coaching candidates or when ND will announce his extension (my guess is December) or close a thread that never should have been created to begin with.

Why close the thread though? This is a real topic being discussed on other boards. Yeah, it sucks for ND fans, but not everything is rosy with ND and it's OK to talk about it IMO.

Swarbrick opened the box when he said quite awhile ago that the extension would get done soon, and nothing has been completed. Sorry, but it's not THAT difficult to get these contracts done when both parties are motivated to do it and have the same goals in my mind. Right now it's not even on the horizon, and that sucks considering what coaches can do negative recruiting-wise (Coach X: "Is Kelly even going to be there when you are on campus? He already interviewed with the Eagles and almost took the job. The the AD said that an extension was being worked on would get done, and still nothing. I got my contract done in 5 hours, and I'll be here until I retire. Can you really say that about your Kelly?" Is that really that far-fetched to think that is happening?)

I don't think it's a crime to say that Kelly has wandering eyes. He proved it 6 months ago when he took the Eagles interview and then went underground, leaving the program in complete limbo for several days.

There are other rumors out there that I won't go into on a public board, but the stuff is out there and people are talking about it. We're actually late to the party on this site, really. Now, if the mods don't want the site to get too negative and they want to close it down for recruiting purposes, then I won't argue with their discretion one bit. But it is definitely something being talked about on Irish message boards.

 

[NDdomer2]

who on our schedule has a coach that will be there until they retire? stoops? i can't think of many coaches in the country that would retire at end of current contact besides Saban (done it all) and Brow, Beamer, and ksu coach all due to age?

Am I missing some?

 

[NDPhilly]

So everything TP said regarding Swarbrick waiting to announce it for "momentum" purposes is a load of BS is what you're saying?

 

[LoveThee]

who on our schedule has a coach that will be there until they retire? stoops? i can't think of many coaches in the country that would retire at end of current contact besides Saban (done it all) and Brow, Beamer, and ksu coach all due to age?

Am I missing some?

I don't think it really matters, thats what coaches tell recruits and thats what impressionable teenagers can be persuaded to believe

 

[Bogtrotter07]

BK doesn't need rumors to negotiate with ND. They know he is grossly underpaid and he will have higher paying opportunities by seasons end.

I'm not putting much stock in the rumors that have sprung up on this thread today. Let's get back to speculating future coaching candidates or when ND will announce his extension (my guess is December) or close a thread that never should have been created to begin with.

Which is why I think this whole thing is one bubble off. It just isn't level. Kelly is the best coaching talent in a while. He finally has things going his way. They are going to keep him and he is going to stay, until it is no longer about money. Then it will be about family, the NFL, or retirement, and no package will matter.

 

[BobD]

Money is almost irrelevant these days. There will hardly be a time when ND or any other team can just sit back and relax while they have a great coach.

So nobody knows now, what they'll claim next month, they knew a month ago?

 

[NDinL.A.]

So everything TP said regarding Swarbrick waiting to announce it for "momentum" purposes is a load of BS is what you're saying?

I never saw that from TP, but TP and I have a mutual acquaintance and I know they have some of the same contacts, and at lunch about 3 weeks ago the guy said that same thing, saying that it was a done deal and it would be announced either the week of the OK game or the week of the USC game. The 2 reporters we were sitting with politely disagreed and said they were hearing completely different things. And one of the reporters knows Chuck Martin and Denbrock better than any ND reporter out there, guaranteed.

For me personally, that strategy doesn't make sense. What if we start off badly? Michigan on the road ain't gonna be easy by any stretch of the imagination, and neither will MSU at home. It's definitely not out of the realm of possibility that we start 1-1, or even 2-2. The vultures will be circling...and you're going to be sitting on an announcement that you said would happen several months earlier? What if you announce it and then lose to OK or SC? Shades of CW anyone? That is REALLY risky to do...why not just announce it now and cut off any negative recruiting coaches can do about that?

But even when I disagree, I always defer to their judgment, so if that's the way they want to handle it, I hope it works out. (But I still don't personally believe that to be true.)

Which is why I think this whole thing is one bubble off. It just isn't level. Kelly is the best coaching talent in a while. He finally has things going his way. They are going to keep him and he is going to stay, until it is no longer about money. Then it will be about family, the NFL, or retirement, and no package will matter.

Why take the interview with the Eagles then? Why not come out and say right away that he was staying with ND? Go back and read what was going on with the fans and recruits at the time...we were going batsh!t crazy wondering what was going on, and yet BK remained "on vacation" for several days and didn't say anything to anyone. He could have easily found the Internet or a phone somewhere and told everyone he was staying. But he didn't.

So those who think there is no way he is leaving, or just automatically think he is staying because of this or that, are being naive. I hope he stays at ND forever, but until he signs that extension, this will be hanging over ND the entire year. And even then, because he is such a good coach and because his eyes already wandered once, it will always be on fans' minds.

 

[arrowryan]

So Hollywood, what makes you think BK isn't our coach next season? You never really said why.

I just wouldn't think it would be that hard to keep Kelly. Bob Stoops, Kirk Ferentz, Charlie Strong, Gary Patterson, Mike Gundy, Bret Bielema, Brady Hoke, Butch Jones, Lane Kiffin, Todd Graham, Bo Pelini, Paul Johnson, James Franklin, and Gary Anderson are all getting paid more than BK. What kind of **** is that!!? Over half of those guys wouldn't even get the job at Notre Dame if Kelly left.

Pay the man what he deserves. Other wise we will be back at square 1 and searching for a new identity, yet again. This team is on the brink of being elite for crying out loud, why ruin that?

 

[NDPhilly]

Kevin Sumlin would probably be my #1 want depending on how they do this year if Kelly leaves.

 

[tko]

I'm going to assume Mr. Next Best Thing will be gone after this season, so my vote is Charlie Strong.

 

[Cali_domer]

I'm going to assume Mr. Next Best Thing will be gone after this season, so my vote is Charlie Strong.

Nick Saban.
In reality give me Gruden or Patterson.
Strong would be okay also.
I can't believe that this is really even being talked about with actual concern. Not saying NDinLA is wrong but it just sucks to hear these murmurs.
My concern is that ND is backing off what it takes to win and going back to stringent standards. Not saying we need to be like an SEC school but at least stop shooting ourselves in the foot.

 

[tko]

Nick Saban.
In reality give me Gruden or Patterson.
Strong would be okay also.
I can't believe that this is really even being talked about with actual concern. Not saying NDinLA is wrong but it just sucks to hear these murmurs.
My concern is that ND is backing off what it takes to win and going back to stringent standards. Not saying we need to be like an SEC school but at least stop shooting ourselves in the foot.

What about Gruden and Patterson? Talk about passion, LOL.

 

[Cali_domer]

What about Gruden and Patterson? Talk about passion, LOL.

In reality if the school wanted it they could afford it. But you also would have both those men agree to share. lol

 

[BobD]

Serious question, please don't laugh if it's a stupid one. Any chance the new Pope Francis, being a Jesuit, will have an effect even at Notre Dame on what may seem to many as extravagant salaries?

 

[NDWorld247]

Why close the thread though? This is a real topic being discussed on other boards. Yeah, it sucks for ND fans, but not everything is rosy with ND and it's OK to talk about it IMO.

I don't have an issue with talking about Kelly's extension. I don't think a thread asking if he received an extension, when obviously he hadn't, needed to be started, but, whatever. I also don't have a problem with talking about a hypothetical scenario of who you'd want as a coach should Kelly take his talents elsewhere after this season or sometime in the future. That's all interesting discussion to kill some time before camp opens.

What I have a problem with is when toxic, unsubstantiated rumors start being thrown around as fact and it throws the fan base into a frenzy. That crap is just nonsense and adds nothing positive to the topic.

Now that we've moved past the "there are reports out there that Kelly is considering Texas" nonsense, this thread has my blessing to stay open. Let's just try to keep the crazy talk to a minimum (everyone, not just you, LA).

 

[Rocket89]

Fan those flames!

Let's differentiate between two things: Kelly leaving at some point in the future and Kelly leaving before this upcoming season.

Anything can happen in college football, but the chances of the latter happening are very, very small. He won't quit right before the season like this. Not happening. And where's he going to go in August? Take a year off?

As far as Kelly leaving at any point following the season, well I think we'd better get used to it. He's a very successful coach who will continue to receiver many offers over the years.

Furthermore, I don't think the lack of an extension at this point, or the lack of an announcement of an extension really matters either way. Put another way, I don't think the lack of an extension should be fueling fire right now about Kelly leaving. The odds still seem extremely high that Kelly and his staff sign an extension at some point in the near future. Does that new contract mean Kelly's staying for the next 2 to 5 years? No it does not. Just not sure very loose speculation and harping on the Eagles situation should be sounding off alarm bells right now.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Serious question, please don't laugh if it's a stupid one. Any chance the new Pope Francis, being a Jesuit, will have an effect even at Notre Dame on what may seem to many as extravagant salaries?

No.

 

[NDinL.A.]

So Hollywood, what makes you think BK isn't our coach next season? You never really said why.

3 things really. It's info from people extremely close to the program who know WAAAAAY more than me. It's Kelly's actions last year. And it's the lack of an extension despite Swarbrick saying it would be done awhile ago.

BUt really, I said gun to my head I'd say he'd be gone next year. In my heart I think he'll stay. I HOPE he will anyway. Just not as confident as I was before he took the interview, and not nearly as confident as I want to be.

I just wouldn't think it would be that hard to keep Kelly. Bob Stoops, Kirk Ferentz, Charlie Strong, Gary Patterson, Mike Gundy, Bret Bielema, Brady Hoke, Butch Jones, Lane Kiffin, Todd Graham, Bo Pelini, Paul Johnson, James Franklin, and Gary Anderson are all getting paid more than BK. What kind of **** is that!!? Over half of those guys wouldn't even get the job at Notre Dame if Kelly left.

Exactly. Very puzzling.

And Cali, I'm not going to stress out over it nor will I be looking for names or speculating who will replace him. I agree in that it serves no purpose. I didn't start this thread, but I do think it is something fans on this site need to be aware of, b/c not everyone is on a paysite where they are talking about it quite a bit (ahhhhh, the off-season).

 

[Irish#1]

Which is why I think this whole thing is one bubble off. It just isn't level. Kelly is the best coaching talent in a while. He finally has things going his way. They are going to keep him and he is going to stay, until it is no longer about money. Then it will be about family, the NFL, or retirement, and no package will matter.

BINGO!

There will always be rumors of him leaving, contract signed or unsigned. Second, exccept for a very few select individuals we really don't know the status of the contract. My guess there is a very good and probably simple reason why it hasn't been signed yet and it's more of a formality.

I said it when Swarbrick was brought on and have repeated it over and over. Trust in Jack. He has handled everything very well up to this point. No reason to worry.

 

[NDdomer2]

Fan those flames!

Let's differentiate between two things: Kelly leaving at some point in the future and Kelly leaving before this upcoming season.

Anything can happen in college football, but the chances of the latter happening are very, very small. He won't quit right before the season like this. Not happening. And where's he going to go in August? Take a year off?

As far as Kelly leaving at any point following the season, well I think we'd better get used to it. He's a very successful coach who will continue to receiver many offers over the years.

Furthermore, I don't think the lack of an extension at this point, or the lack of an announcement of an extension really matters either way. Put another way, I don't think the lack of an extension should be fueling fire right now about Kelly leaving. The odds still seem extremely high that Kelly and his staff sign an extension at some point in the near future. Does that new contract mean Kelly's staying for the next 2 to 5 years? No it does not. Just not sure very loose speculation and harping on the Eagles situation should be sounding off alarm bells right now.

Thank you

 

[Cali_domer]

BINGO!

There will always be rumors of him leaving, contract signed or unsigned. Second, exccept for a very few select individuals we really don't know the status of the contract. My guess there is a very good and probably simple reason why it hasn't been signed yet and it's more of a formality.

I said it when Swarbrick was brought on and have repeated it over and over. Trust in Jack. He has handled everything very well up to this point. No reason to worry.

Thanks for sharing the info you know(what you can). I appreciate it and it's good to know what the pay sites are discussing(I'm to cheap).

 

[loomis41973]

Nothing to see here.

 

[NDWorld247]

I said it when Swarbrick was brought on and have repeated it over and over. Trust in Jack. He has handled everything very well up to this point. No reason to worry.

This! The day we lose Jack is the day I'll start worrying about the direction of this program. I guess I could deal with losing Jack and keeping Kelly, but it would still be a sad day nonetheless. The man is gold.

And re: Kelly's extension...I'm just throwing this out there, but is there any chance Kelly and his team thinks he will be more valuable after this season than he is right now? Meaning, not that he is necessarily waiting to leverage other jobs in December to get a bigger contract, but that he really believes this team will be in a BCS game and thinks two consecutive BCS games is worth more than one, or something to that effect?

 

[NDinL.A.]

Agreed 1000% about Swarbrick. However, at ND the BoT has a lot of power. Unfortunately it's not always up solely to Jack.

Rocket, is anyone talking about him leaving before the season? I haven't seen that anywhere and I'd put those chances at less than 0%.

I'm going to leave this topic alone as I think it hits too close to home for many and people are going to believe what they are going to believe. It's all good though; I can understand people not wanting to believe it. I probably wouldn't either if it wasn't said directly to me.

 

[Rocket 94]

ND in LA,

What I struggle with is why TJ34 would continually post on Rivals that this is basically a done deal. He was saying the assistants did get a substantial raise and it will be announced soon. If this were not true then I don't see why TJ would post it. Don't think he would risk his reputation by posting false information.

Not saying your info is wrong but TJ does have credibility. Why would he risk it?

 

[Rack Em]

ND in LA,

What I struggle with is why TJ34 would continually post on Rivals that this is basically a done deal. He was saying the assistants did get a substantial raise and it will be announced soon. If this were not true then I don't see why TJ would post it. Don't think he would risk his reputation by posting false information.

Not saying your info is wrong but TJ does have credibility. Why would he risk it?

This is the camp I'm in. TJ usually stays silent on issues like this if they look unfavorable to ND.

EDIT: I'm not challenging you hollywood. I'm just confused.

 

[NDinL.A.]

ND in LA,

What I struggle with is why TJ34 would continually post on Rivals that this is basically a done deal. He was saying the assistants did get a substantial raise and it will be announced soon. If this were not true then I don't see why TJ would post it. Don't think he would risk his reputation by posting false information.

Not saying your info is wrong but TJ does have credibility. Why would he risk it?

No worries...I don't know TJ. I have a subscription but i haven't read the rivals board in years other than a quick peruse. I hope he's right, trust me. But the guys I am talking about are beyond legit too..

I still don't see why on earth there would be a hold up considering everything I already stated, or why they would hold their announcement, but if TJ is saying its true, then that's great news. I'm definitely rooting for TJ's info to be right. He's obviously connected and has a track record, and I'm no insider, so go with his info...