Breaking (Lawsuit Against ND)

[ND NYC]

There's no indication the anonymous plaintiff is one of our football players. In fact, one could read the line I quoted above as a negative inference that he's not.

Lucci and I initially thought this might be a disgruntled member of the Frozen Five angling for a payday, but the Complaint indicates that the plaintiff enrolled in 2014, which rules all of them out.

So no, you are not allowed to speculate on which football player it might be.

got it.
the document said it was a guy who was a "freshman in 2014" (and so a soph this year)....could have sworn it said he was on an "academic" scholly specifically, which im noit sure im right here is what we call ALL our schollys--i.e. we refer to all our schollys as academic ones, right?

are you saying we can actually rule out that it cannot be a football or hoops player here? (hoping you are right!)

 

[JohnnyJasper]

F*** Des.
This is the last thing I wanted to hear before the game tomorrow. Not that any of it is 100% proven against us. The Bad Luck BK isn't a bad idea..

Teo, Will Mahone, Frozen Five..
Please make it stop

 

[Cali_domer]

Time to dust off rumored violations thread ?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

are you saying we can actually rule out that it cannot be a football or hoops player here? (hoping you are right!)

That's my interpretation of the Complaint, yes. Though it's based on a negative inference, so I could be wrong.

The only thing that concerns me is that a lot of the allegations in the Complaint line up with the rumors that were swirling around right before the Frozen Five broke. Where's gkIrish when you need him?

 

[BGIF]

The claims themselves are borderline unbelievable. But if they're true, he certainly has a claim against the tutor (though he's likely going to face a lot of skepticism about how much of it was actually coerced, given the gender reversal here). As for ND, everything will hinge on how much it "knew or should have known".

If the tutor was a professor, T.A., or someone empowered with grade issuance I would concur. There is no registration process for a tutor as there is for a class. No need to file to drop a tutor as there is for a class. The student simply asks for a different tutor. IF the employee, Jane Doe, was the Director of the Student Tutoring Program there might be some semblance of power involved but it isn't grade issuance.

In the UNC case the head of the program as I recall was pressuring some faculty to improve grades. Was Jane Doe threatening to get grades reduced? Or threatening imcompent tutoring to adversely impact the student's academic performance? Perhaps a threat put seemingly a small one as the student athlete could have gone to his R.A., advisor, position coach or just about anyone else and said, "I have an uncomfortable situation I'd like some guidance with."

There's a lot of information missing from that lawsuit.

 

[wizards8507]

F*** Des.
This is the last thing I wanted to hear before the game tomorrow. Not that any of it is 100% proven against us. The Bad Luck BK isn't a bad idea..

Teo, Will Mahone, Frozen Five..
Please make it stop

There's nothing to prove "against us" whatsoever. The WORST case scenario as it relates to the football team is that a player (or a few players) had sex with an employee's daughter.

 

[JohnnyJasper]

Another hint of BS in the document: It states that the student was at ND on an academic scholarship, which is a lie on its face. Notre Dame doesn't give academic scholarships. They're athletic or need-based, that's it.

*Sigh of Relief*

 

[ND NYC]

praying this BS doesn't end up on "a season with"

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Not to be "that guy" but the complaint also makes reference to the plaintiff rejecting psychiatric treatment, including prescriptions, because he believed the treatment was part of a conspiracy against him.

 

[IrishInFl]

Did the Mother join in? If so, I've seen this plot in a lot of the movies I watch.

 

[IrishInFl]

Not to be "that guy" but the complaint also makes reference to the plaintiff rejecting psychiatric treatment, including prescriptions, because he believed the treatment was part of a conspiracy against him.

 

[connor_in]

Let's not start a witch hunt. The Frozen Five thread included some of that, and it didn't end well. If and when her identity becomes public, we'll obviously allow discussion about it here; but not until then.

Does that mean it's time for...

 

[MNIrishman]

Another hint of BS in the document: It states that the student was at ND on an academic scholarship, which is a lie on its face. Notre Dame doesn't give academic scholarships. They're athletic or need-based, that's it.

There are three of which I'm aware. There's the Joyce Scholarship, which combines academic performance with need and grants a full cost of attendance four year scholarship. The demonstrated need just has to exist; it doesn't need to be any minimum amount, so it's mainly academic-focused.

The second, and far more likely, option is the Hesburgh-Yusko scholars program. I know less about that.

Finally, there's the Lily Scholarship, which is full tuition for outstanding students from the state of Indiana.

 

[Prof K]

Scholarship & Grant Assistance // Office of Financial Aid // University of Notre Dame

There are actually quite a few.

 

[Rhode Irish]

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Doesn't sound any less absurd when read on camera. Who's the attorney, loomis? I'd like to look this guy up. There are a lot of unethical cranks practicing in South Bend.

It seems borderline irresponsible to report on this and neglect to mention that it doesn't actually make any sense, at least in terms of how it is being presented at this point. Like...they said what the lawsuit alleges both legally (discrimination, negligence, etc.) and factually (lady "made(?)" athletes hook up with her daughter), but does not even appear to attempt to tie those things together.

 

[TheChosen1]

Not saying this isn't true but the timing on this is questionable...

 

[wizards8507]

There are three of which I'm aware. There's the Joyce Scholarship, which combines academic performance with need and grants a full cost of attendance four year scholarship. The demonstrated need just has to exist; it doesn't need to be any minimum amount, so it's mainly academic-focused.

The second, and far more likely, option is the Hesburgh-Yusko scholars program. I know less about that.

Finally, there's the Lily Scholarship, which is full tuition for outstanding students from the state of Indiana.

The Joyce Scholarship is remarkably specific. The kid would have to be from one of about 100 high schools in Central Ohio.

Hesburgh-Yusko scholars need to exhibit "exemplary moral character" or something like that, so obviously this kid wouldn't qualify.

 

[wizards8507]

Scholarship & Grant Assistance // Office of Financial Aid // University of Notre Dame

There are actually quite a few.

Those are all need based.

 

[aubeirish]

It doesn't even make sense.

This. I have a hard time trying to find out what is going on while reading this article.

 

[wizards8507]

Official statement from Notre Dame:

"Notre Dame is aware of these allegations and denies that it engaged in any wrongdoing."

 

[aubeirish]

I knew I saw this situation once...

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[BearGB]

Another hint of BS in the document: It states that the student was at ND on an academic scholarship, which is a lie on its face. Notre Dame doesn't give academic scholarships. They're athletic or need-based, that's it.

Yup - thought that as soon as I saw the third paragraph. Shoddy work by the attorney to not even know that... come on now.

Only academic scholarships are the Hesburgh-Yusko scholars - that super elite, steal-Ivy-League-school program developed around 2011-2012ish time. This kid was definitely not involved in that (I think HE would be doing the tutoring in that case)...

 

[GoIrish41]

The mom was making her daughter have sex with people to what end? Did money change hands? Is she a pimp or is the academic advisor? I am so confused. None of this makes sense!

 

[wizards8507]

The mom was making her daughter have sex with people to what end? Did money change hands? Is she a pimp or is the academic advisor? I am so confused. None of this makes sense!

Based on the legal filing, she likes big black penises. No italics at all.

 

[GoIrish41]

Based on the legal filing, she likes big black penises. No italics at all.

Was she privy to these penises? Living vicariously through her daughter?

 

[Booslum31]

A male varsity athlete forced to have sex against his will by a female and mother... because racism? Makes total sense, said no judge ever.

LOL. My god that's funny!

 

[Cackalacky]

White privilege

 

[TheChosen1]

Official statement from Notre Dame:

"Notre Dame is aware of these allegations and denies that it engaged in any wrongdoing."

Eric Hansen retweeted more to the statement. Someone grab it.

 

[Irish Insanity]

So this is why Brent is always in the doghouse.

 

[KPENN]

Eric Hansen retweeted more to the statement. Someone grab it.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">University of Notre Dame statement re lawsuit. <a href="https://t.co/rTGIChvABN">pic.twitter.com/rTGIChvABN</a></p>— Eric Hansen (@EHansenNDI) <a href="https://twitter.com/EHansenNDI/status/660267953544392704">October 31, 2015</a></blockquote>
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