Breaking down ND/OU

[GoldenBoy3]

Man this is getting great, really looking forward to Saturday. I hope no matter the outcome you OU fans come back after. Good luck

 

[GoldenBoy3]

Also it seems to me that every game we have controlled the clock and once it hits the 4th quarter our opponents defense is beat and we really start pounding the ball and racking up serious yards on the ground. Its simple and makes perfect sense and its worked for us so far

 

[OUMallen]

Why dont YOU come over and see?
as For Mallen and I we've known each other for several years

Indeed. We've been trying to prop up each other's spek for some time now!

 

[BGIF]

Im not really discussing the Game in very much depth simply because it will do no good. Like I said I originally came here to offer insight to NORMAN on game day and stadium Info

If that's your objective, post it here: http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/notre-dame-football/75927-college-gameday-oklahoma-edition.html

And thanks for following through on President's Boren request for hospitality.

I hope you go undefeated for the rest of your Big 12 schedule and play in a BCS Bowl.

 

[eyeballjr]

Wooly, How do you see the match up between the OU WR's and ND's Defensive backfield? I understand that the plan is get Jones rattled, and have him make bad throws. What happens if he has time? Can they hang with OU's receivers?

 

[NDdomer2]

Haven't read this thread the last couple days. I unsubscribed as it appeared to be going nowhere. Turns out I was right.

Let me try and get the facts from what I've missed.

- OU's best offensive player is a FB with a combined 300 yards of offense

- we are going to give up over 5 times our average in points and over twice the most we have allowed all season

- Time of Possession is a pointless stat that should not be kept

- a 3.6 yards per carry can't win a game (3.6x3=10.8=First down)

- Oklahoma has great Antiquing, someone should let these guys know:

- TE's and FB's are somehow comparable

Did I miss anything?

 

[woolybug25]

Wooly, How do you see the match up between the OU WR's and ND's Defensive backfield? I understand that the plan is get Jones rattled, and have him make bad throws. What happens if he has time? Can they hang with OU's receivers?

Frankly, it terrifies me. Our inexperienced secondary has fared well during the year, but that is a result of one of the best pass rushes in college football. OU's receivers are the best we have faced all year and I fully expect them to get separation most of the game. The question is whether Jones will have time to throw it to them.

Furthermore, we will spy players to disguise coverages so our young cb's have over the top safety help and OLB help in the boundary.

I don't think that the game will come down to either teams secondary or passing game. As I have stated several times, it will come down to whether OU can run the ball against us and if we can run the ball against OU's defensive line. The more boring this game is, the higher likelihood of an Irish victory. If we cant run on OU, then it doesn't matter how OU scores, they will win either way.

 

[VadersbrOU]

Keep telling yourself that. MSU and Stanford are statistically much better than OU at stopping the run (#12/#4 vs OU's #46). They thought they would be able to stop our running game too.

ND had more speed and was able to get to edge against those teams, that will not be the case saturday.

 

[eyeballjr]

Haven't read this thread the last couple days. I unsubscribed as it appeared to be going nowhere. Turns out I was right.

Let me try and get the facts from what I've missed.

- OU's best offensive player is a FB with a combined 300 yards of offense

- we are going to give up over 5 times our average in points and over twice the most we have allowed all season

- Time of Possession is a pointless stat that should not be kept

- a 3.6 yards per carry can't win a game (3.6x3=10.8=First down)

- Oklahoma has great Antiquing, someone should let these guys know:

- TE's and FB's are somehow comparable

Did I miss anything?

I think you covered it.

 

[jbaker]

Let me try and get the facts from what I've missed.

- OU's best offensive player is a FB with a combined 300 yards of offense

Yes.

- we are going to give up over 5 times our average in points and over twice the most we have allowed all season

Unlikely, but you will likely give up more points than you have in any other game.

- Time of Possession is a pointless stat that should not be kept

Not necessarily, but it's a context stat. If Notre Dame runs the ball 8 times and picks up 25 yards, they can hold the ball for 7 minutes and punt. If OU scores in 6 plays in 2 minutes, ND's 7 minute TOP didn't help. If ND wins the TOP battle by having 9-minute scoring drives, that's a different story.

- a 3.6 yards per carry can't win a game (3.6x3=10.8=First down)

I didn't say that. I said that holding an opponent to 3.6 YPC is a good enough defensive performance.

- Oklahoma has great Antiquing, someone should let these guys know:

I have little expertise in antiquing, so I apologize for being unable to further comment.

- TE's and FB's are somehow comparable

Millard, our fullback, is often lined up and/or utilized more as a tight end in our offense.

Did I miss anything?

Got it.

 

[OUMallen]

Haven't read this thread the last couple days. I unsubscribed as it appeared to be going nowhere. Turns out I was right.

My work here is done.

 

[phork]

Manners?
Are you saying I have none?
I simply stated my prediction. Sorry if that disturbs any of you .

You opinion is fine. Your idiotic prediction of a 30 point beat down is not. But keep talking.

 

[woolybug25]

ND had more speed and was able to get to edge against those teams, that will not be the case saturday.

Again... those teams are statistically better run defenses in addition to playing against better rushing teams than OU has played. Our rb's can get to the edge on any team, you act like we have a bunch of slow hayseeds playing back there.

Furthermore, i'm getting sick of you guys acting like Stanford is some crappy rushing defense. They have a better rushing defense than OU, period. Every statistical component says so. I have no idea where you guys come up these subjective ideas that you guys are faster, stronger and better than a Stanford defense that by all statistical categories is better. They are the fourth best rushing defense in the country, OU is the #46th. They are better at holding the edge than OU, so your comment makes no sense.

 

[PraetorianND]

I think ND wins this one 42-10

 

[eyeballjr]

From what i can tell, only 4 teams in the nation average scoring a TD on half of their drives. Kansas State, Baylor, Texas, and La. Tech. Oklahoma is 4th in points allowed per possession, while ND is 2nd. Seems like on the defenses are pretty comparible. Yards per play 4.45 to 4.55 ND has the edge, and both are in the top 15. Numbers wise i would call it a stalemate on defense.

 

[BeauBenken]

I doubt it will get too heated. We both think our team is better than it is, and the opponent is worse than it is.
And I certainly won't be around on Friday and Saturday as I make my way up to Norman.

On the contrary, I think most of us have shown great respect for what OU can do. And they've been playing great football consistently for a while. We (or at least, I) know this is our toughest opponent all season long. Physical, fast, and solid on all fronts. Even OU's damaged O-line will not be bad, I'm sure.

We also know our own team very well. We know what we have the capabilities of doing. So far our offense has been okay and our defense has been elite. We also know that our offense can be better than it has been. We've got weapons of our own. They're just mostly all younger.

 

[woolybug25]

From what i can tell, only 4 teams in the nation average scoring a TD on half of their drives. Kansas State, Baylor, Texas, and La. Tech. Oklahoma is 4th in points allowed per possession, while ND is 2nd. Seems like on the defenses are pretty comparible. Yards per play 4.45 to 4.55 ND has the edge, and both are in the top 15. Numbers wise i would call it a stalemate on defense.

Way to take a couple stats and make the blanket statement that "our defenses are comparable". It simply isn't true.

Rushing Defense
Notre Dame - #15
Oklahoma - #46

Total Defense
Notre Dame - #6
Oklahoma - #15

Red Zone Defense
Notre Dame - #2
Oklahoma - #24

Turnover Margin
Notre Dame - #11
Oklahoma - #43

Scoring Defense
Notre Dame - #2
Oklahoma - #12


The only statistics we are remotely comparable in are the two you brought up. You should get a job in politics, because you really got the whole fact twisting down.

 

[NDdomer2]

Not necessarily, but it's a context stat. If Notre Dame runs the ball 8 times and picks up 25 yards, they can hold the ball for 7 minutes and punt. If OU scores in 6 plays in 2 minutes, ND's 7 minute TOP didn't help. If ND wins the TOP battle by having 9-minute scoring drives, that's a different story.

See to you it didn't help but that is because you aren't looking at it from ND's perspective.

If you are capable of 6 play 2 minute scoring drives and we DON'T have 7 minute drives then we give up 30+ and are incapable of catching up.

A 7 minute drive for us and a punt is a win. Let's say at the least we only get 25 yards and our drive started at the 22 (I got this number by taking Opponents average Kickoff distance-Oppnents Net Kick Average) that would put us at our 47 yard line. Our current average net punt is 39.2 which would put your starting Field position at around the 14 yard line with 86 yards to go. For you to go 6 plays in 2 minutes would require a play for over 14 yards every 20 seconds.

Almost impossible. Let's say you did average over 14 yards per play you would not be able to run one every 20 seconds. By the time the ball is set, your line gets back to the LOS and set, and you get a play called, and Jones makes his reads it would already be past that current pace.

 

[eyeballjr]

Nice cherry picking you done as well

 

[woolybug25]

Nice cherry picking you done as well

What cherry picking? The only two I left out (pass def & Pts per possession) are the ones you brought up? Furthermore, anybody that knows the first thing about football knows what are the meaningful stats for defense. Between the two you conveniently brought up and the rest that I brought up, that is pretty much every meaningful defensive stat.


Seriously... talking to some of you is like talking to a brick wall.

 

[goldandblue]

ND 23 OU 21 Looking forward to a great game! I hope we win but if we don't I hope the team moves forward and beats the rest of the teams on the schedule.

 

[PraetorianND]

Nice cherry picking you done as well

I'm not sure what this sentence means.

 

[HoosierSooner]

Haven't read this thread the last couple days. I unsubscribed as it appeared to be going nowhere. Turns out I was right.

Let me try and get the facts from what I've missed.

- OU's best offensive player is a FB with a combined 300 yards of offense

- we are going to give up over 5 times our average in points and over twice the most we have allowed all season

- Time of Possession is a pointless stat that should not be kept

- a 3.6 yards per carry can't win a game (3.6x3=10.8=First down)

- Oklahoma has great Antiquing, someone should let these guys know:

- TE's and FB's are somehow comparable

Did I miss anything?

If you're objective is to capture the most inflammatory and outrageous statements..then..yeah. you've pretty much captured it. If you're TRULY trying to sum up the OU sentiment, you clearly chose to ignore my entire post made a couple of hours ago.
Also, I do think it interesting that you guys think we are consistently disrespecting Stanford's defense..when CLEARLY the much more common sentiment on this thread has gone something like this: "K State beat them..and we OBVIOUSLY have a better defense than K State..therefore we will win." Honestly, I expect you guys to rip us..it's your forum. I'm just amazed that the sheer level of disregard for K STATE. Their front 7 isn't quite what ND has, but they have very good overall team D, and their offense, frankly, is more multi-dimensional and scares me more.

 

[irishtrain]

A game of big plays-stop they'rs and make some and ND stands a chance to win this game. True to my season I pick OU and if I'm wrong again The Fighting Irish will shut some peoples mouths and then what do you do with Notre Dame. College football needs this win by Notre Dame. It will show that the college guys can beat the pros. Play loose and go for it.

 

[Patulski]

Good to have ya back, Mullen. Thank you for powering America's future.

It's interesting how the Okies matchup problem with Eifert's ability to outmuscle small cornerbacks downfield got morphed into a youtube video of their fullback putting a hit on a cornerback after a ten yard run.

I can't figure out if they have Attention Deficit Disorder, or just have zero understanding of ND football, but shoot from the hip whenever ND's strengths are pointed out to them.

 

[CurtisCandy]

It's kind of interesting to me, the mentions here of the OU posters coming back here after the game.

Like most of our regulars, my passion for ND in general and the football team in specific, goes beyond the passion I hold for anything else in life, outside of my family. When we lose, I come here to express my sadness and frustration alongside a group of people I've come to "know" in a virtual sense and whose company I enjoy. When we win, these are the guys I want to hang out and celebrate with.

When it comes to ND football, that passion I mentioned precludes any type of decorum, moral compass or sense of fair play... When we lose, I get pissed.

I don't claim to speak for anyone else here, but all I can say is, I'm not in management of this board in any way, so obviously you OU guys are welcome to come back. However, I have no desire to rub it in anyone's face if we win, I just want to hang out and celebrate with the boys.

If we lose, I have no desire to be a good sport, give props or any other touchy-feely, take the high road type of displays... For the most part, I would try to stay out of conversations involving the opposition's fan base, because I can guarantee the best I could muster would be a good ol' "F**k off!"

 

[eyeballjr]

Honestly i feel like i have been very polite, respectful, and all around a nice guy on this board. I know I am a guest here, but Wooly you seems to jump on the defensive about everything i post. I don't think i have said your were wrong about anything that you posted, yet everything I have posted, you have set out to prove wrong or tell me i'm twisting the facts. BTW you were wrong, I did not post pass defense stats. So if your gonna come at me come at me with your FACTS straight.

 

[PraetorianND]

Are ND fans showing up on your boards? Just curious.

 

[OUMallen]

It's interesting how the Okies matchup problem with Eifert's ability to outmuscle small cornerbacks downfield got morphed into a youtube video of their fullback putting a hit on a cornerback after a ten yard run.

I can't figure out if they have Attention Deficit Disorder, or just have zero understanding of ND football, but shoot from the hip whenever ND's strengths are pointed out to them.

More of that legendary ND hospitality and class.

They were talking about offensive players both sides didn't know about. So I posted football videos of Millard. Because, you know, football is fun to watch and we're all trying to learn something here.

This is going to be a LOT easier if we don't have to explain things to you. Keep up.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

If you're objective is to capture the most inflammatory and outrageous statements..then..yeah. you've pretty much captured it. If you're TRULY trying to sum up the OU sentiment, you clearly chose to ignore my entire post made a couple of hours ago.
Also, I do think it interesting that you guys think we are consistently disrespecting Stanford's defense..when CLEARLY the much more common sentiment on this thread has gone something like this: "K State beat them..and we OBVIOUSLY have a better defense than K State..therefore we will win." Honestly, I expect you guys to rip us..it's your forum. I'm just amazed that the sheer level of disregard for K STATE. Their front 7 isn't quite what ND has, but they have very good overall team D, and their offense, frankly, is more multi-dimensional and scares me more.

I don't think that is entirely correct either. Most people feel that K State won by applying pressure to Jones and forcing turnovers. We, as ND fans, feel that ND should also be able to apply pressure and force turnovers since our front seven is just as good and probably better than K State's (you also just agreed with as much in your post above). This then gives us a better opportunity to win. I don't see anyone discounting K State's D.