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I see what you're saying.

To aid your argument, the scene in which Walt threatens Skyler is apparently one of the nicest thing Walt does? He knows the cops are listening, so publicly falls on his sword so Skyler isn't prosecuted/the Neo-Nazis aren't involved. It's genius. Blew my mind last night when I read about it. So it would have ended with him leaving but in a manner in which he does his best to save his family.

Wait a second, I thought that conversation said (and the cops heard) that Skyler knew for 'years'? I know he called her an idiot/bitch at the end, but didn't he say early on in the convo that 'you knew all along', basically condemning her as an accomplice?

I didn't tape it so can't re-watch.
 

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Wait a second, I thought that conversation said (and the cops heard) that Skyler knew for 'years'? I know he called her an idiot/bitch at the end, but didn't he say early on in the convo that 'you knew all along', basically condemning her as an accomplice?

I didn't tape it so can't re-watch.

He did say all that but the fact that he said that he threatened her with "consequences" if she crossed him would likely get her out of criminal liability based on a duress defense.
 

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Wait a second, I thought that conversation said (and the cops heard) that Skyler knew for 'years'? I know he called her an idiot/bitch at the end, but didn't he say early on in the convo that 'you knew all along', basically condemning her as an accomplice?

I didn't tape it so can't re-watch.

Yeah I need to re-watch that scene but it's obvious Walt knew the police were there. Jr. was on the phone with the police as Walt left the house. Plus he knew after taking Holly the police would be there. So I tend to believe he was trying to protect Skylar and his family at that point. I'm not even going to try and guess what happens on the last two shows. Interesting that Dean Norris said that after filming his final scene he didn't hang around with everyone for the night. Got on the first plane he could to North Carolina. Think it hit him after the scene that the run on the show was over. Probably was pretty depressed at that point.
 
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He did say all that but the fact that he said that he threatened her with "consequences" if she crossed him would likely get her out of criminal liability based on a duress defense.

Great catch, I did not think of that.
 

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Yeah a lot of people were saying Reddit that it was obvious, but no one in my apartment realized it.

It explains Skyler's moment of pause and saying she was sorry. If you rewatch it it's actually pretty clear in my opinion. I was just too caught up in "WHAT THE ****!!!" to realize anything haha

Also, he stayed on the line long enough for them to trace the call and find he was at the fire station where he left Holly. He made Skylar look like the unwilling victim instead of a knowing accomplice. It was an extremely well-acted and emotional scene.
 

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As far as what happens at the end, it depends on how Walt's house burned down. If the neo-nazis sense he'll cause a problem and burn it down, the finale has to be Walt staging a full-scale assault on them. But at this juncture, what would have caused Walt's house to burn? It's an interesting question I can't wait to have solved.
 

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Yeah I need to re-watch that scene but it's obvious Walt knew the police were there. Jr. was on the phone with the police as Walt left the house. Plus he knew after taking Holly the police would be there. So I tend to believe he was trying to protect Skylar and his family at that point. I'm not even going to try and guess what happens on the last two shows. Interesting that Dean Norris said that after filming his final scene he didn't hang around with everyone for the night. Got on the first plane he could to North Carolina. Think it hit him after the scene that the run on the show was over. Probably was pretty depressed at that point.

Not so sure that was the reason. It has been stated in a few places that Norris wasnt happy with the show and was seriously considering quitting before this last season, they had to convince him to stay by explaining that his character played a crucial role in the events still to come.

As far as what happens at the end, it depends on how Walt's house burned down. If the neo-nazis sense he'll cause a problem and burn it down, the finale has to be Walt staging a full-scale assault on them. But at this juncture, what would have caused Walt's house to burn? It's an interesting question I can't wait to have solved.

Im almost positive Walts house isn't burned in the flash forwards. It is simply run down. The Heisenberg Graffiti is presumably put there by kids from the area that learned the name after the whole story hit the fan.

My guess is that we see Walt a few moths after the last episode as he is tying up loose ends. As he reflects he decides that he does care for Jesse and decides to go back and save him from the NN. That is what the M60 is for.

The ricin could be for one of two things either he is going to use it to kill Lydia, because we have seen several scenes focusing on her tea. Or it is for Marie, i don't see a reason for Maries scene from a few episodes ago with the therapist, other than to foreshadow her going after another character. Walt finds out Marie is trying to poison Skylar as vengeance for Hanks death and Walt fittingly poisons her before she can kill Skylar.

I think the Lydia option fits better with the idea of tying up loose ends, but the Marie scenario would allow Walt to be the savior of the family while also getting rid of the only connection keeping the family from getting back together. So if the show wants to end with a happy ending where Walt gets what he wants i think Marie has to die.

Lastly i don't see any scenario where Walt kills himself. Lots of people have been speculating that thats what he intends to do with the ricin, but i don't buy it. Walt has shown over and over how self preservation is one of his main motives. Unless killing himself can save his family I don't see any way this could happen. Plus ricin is a slow painful death, why do that if you could just use the M60 or let the cancer kill him.
 

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Not so sure that was the reason. It has been stated in a few places that Norris wasnt happy with the show and was seriously considering quitting before this last season, they had to convince him to stay by explaining that his character played a crucial role in the events still to come.



Im almost positive Walts house isn't burned in the flash forwards. It is simply run down. The Heisenberg Graffiti is presumably put there by kids from the area that learned the name after the whole story hit the fan.

My guess is that we see Walt a few moths after the last episode as he is tying up loose ends. As he reflects he decides that he does care for Jesse and decides to go back and save him from the NN. That is what the M60 is for.

The ricin could be for one of two things either he is going to use it to kill Lydia, because we have seen several scenes focusing on her tea. Or it is for Marie, i don't see a reason for Maries scene from a few episodes ago with the therapist, other than to foreshadow her going after another character. Walt finds out Marie is trying to poison Skylar as vengeance for Hanks death and Walt fittingly poisons her before she can kill Skylar.

I think the Lydia option fits better with the idea of tying up loose ends, but the Marie scenario would allow Walt to be the savior of the family while also getting rid of the only connection keeping the family from getting back together. So if the show wants to end with a happy ending where Walt gets what he wants i think Marie has to die.

Lastly i don't see any scenario where Walt kills himself. Lots of people have been speculating that thats what he intends to do with the ricin, but i don't buy it. Walt has shown over and over how self preservation is one of his main motives. Unless killing himself can save his family I don't see any way this could happen. Plus ricin is a slow painful death, why do that if you could just use the M60 or let the cancer kill him.

Shoot, you're right. The house is just boarded up, which makes sense because why would Skylar and the kids want to keep living there. I don't think Marie would do something like that, she came to Skylar to help her at the end. She will be extremely angry at Walt, but I don't think she would take it out on Skylar. But that's certainly a possibility. The Lydia angle would work as well. Can't wait for these last two episodes.
 

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Shoot, you're right. The house is just boarded up, which makes sense because why would Skylar and the kids want to keep living there. I don't think Marie would do something like that, she came to Skylar to help her at the end. She will be extremely angry at Walt, but I don't think she would take it out on Skylar. But that's certainly a possibility. The Lydia angle would work as well. Can't wait for these last two episodes.

Marie did come to the aide of Skylar but that was before she found out that Walt "killed" Hank. Then having to listen to Skylar apologize to Walt without understanding the context could push her over the edge. The main reason i think this is plausible is because of the therapist scene. It just seems so random to waste a whole scene this late in the game if they are not going anywhere with it.

If i was betting i would put my money on Lydia, but i guess its just me fantasizing about Marie dying that keeps bringing me back to that idea lol.
 

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I could care less if Walt has a happy ending lol. When he ordered the hit on Jesse, and then told the NNs that they still owed him Jesse, and then proceeded to tell Jesse that he watched whats-her-face die, I became enraged sitting on my couch.

The only person in this show I care about at this point is Jesse, because he is the only person in the show that has made an actual effort to better himself and become a decent human.

While we see the characters "Break Bad" as they get further along, Jesse "Broke Bad" relatively early when he killed Gale.

The other characters have progressively gotten worse after their breaking point, whereas Jesse has always made an effort to turn things around.

He actually stuck with rehab, he voted against Walt whenever Walt suggested killing someone, he forced Todd out after Todd shot the kid, he even got out of the business with Mike before Walt did the unthinkable at the end of the first half of this season. And he made the decision to go after Walt when he realized that Walt had poisoned Brock.

Jesse is the only character struggling to be a better human. Not even Hank or Marie are in it to be "good" people... Hank feels like a fool for missing the signs the whole time, and Marie only cares about Hank's reputation.
 
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Who's watching tonight? Only an hour to go. I cant believe after tonight there is only one more episode left.
I have no idea what is going to happen. The only theory I can think of is that the Neo Nazis will kill either Jesse and/or Walt's family, and that will be the reason why he is running around with an M60. That's the only thing I can think of. I also think I have a good idea of who gets the Ricin...
 
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Who's watching tonight? Only an hour to go. I cant believe after tonight there is only one more episode left.
I have no idea what is going to happen. The only theory I can think of is that the Neo Nazis will kill either Jesse and/or Walt's family, and that will be the reason why he is running around with an M60. That's the only thing I can think of. I also think I have a good idea of who gets the Ricin...

I have no idea on the Ricin.

I have to guess we'll see a flashback showing us how Walt left Grey Matter, the actress is on the season's budget and hasn't been shown yet. Of course, he could be going 100% off the rocker and use the M60 on Grey Matter haha

I'm almost positive word will reach Walt that the nazis are using Jesse to make the blue meth. By this point, Walt should be on some FBI Most Wanted list, and I can see them putting out a release that the blue meth is back and if anyone knows anything sorta deal.

I don't think the Nazis would want anything to do with Walt's family...I think Lydia is the one who wants to off them (she's obsessed with tying up loose ends). If Walt's operation is public knowledge, and the blue meth is found in the Czech Republic, and Skyler knows want she looks like (remember she showed up at the carwash and Skyler told her to **** off?) she'll want the whole family taken out.

I can see Marie poisoning someone/herself.

Overall I think Gilligan finds a way for Walt to redeem himself to some extent. Not fully perhaps, but he'll be a martyr to save his family or something. This show is about moral ambiguity, so for people to be 50/50 on Walt they'll have to make him look good right now, no?
 

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I'm guessing we will see a Hank flashback in one of the next two episodes. Super excited!
 

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Ordered his drink "Neat". Like Hank, really cool how Walt takes on the traits of his victims.
Next week should be something, to say the least.
 

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I have no idea on the Ricin.

I have to guess we'll see a flashback showing us how Walt left Grey Matter, the actress is on the season's budget and hasn't been shown yet. Of course, he could be going 100% off the rocker and use the M60 on Grey Matter haha

I'm almost positive word will reach Walt that the nazis are using Jesse to make the blue meth. By this point, Walt should be on some FBI Most Wanted list, and I can see them putting out a release that the blue meth is back and if anyone knows anything sorta deal.

I don't think the Nazis would want anything to do with Walt's family...I think Lydia is the one who wants to off them (she's obsessed with tying up loose ends). If Walt's operation is public knowledge, and the blue meth is found in the Czech Republic, and Skyler knows want she looks like (remember she showed up at the carwash and Skyler told her to **** off?) she'll want the whole family taken out.

I can see Marie poisoning someone/herself.

Overall I think Gilligan finds a way for Walt to redeem himself to some extent. Not fully perhaps, but he'll be a martyr to save his family or something. This show is about moral ambiguity, so for people to be 50/50 on Walt they'll have to make him look good right now, no?

Damn you're good. That was almost spot on. Only thing you missed was Andrea. That almost brought me to tears...damn that was f*cked up.
I can't wait to see how Walt deals with Gray Matter....
 
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I would think that the ricin is for the Schwartz family, but I think Walt would want them to know it's him.
 

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I keep thinking the ricin is for himself. Goes back to take care of Todd's family and since he knows he's running out of time he takes the ricin. Or I could be completely wrong. lol.
 
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Anyone watch Dexter tonight?

What if Dexter is logging in New Hampshire... Walt ends up on his table. That's the only way they could make up for Dexters ****** ending.
 

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I keep thinking the ricin is for himself. Goes back to take care of Todd's family and since he knows he's running out of time he takes the ricin. Or I could be completely wrong. lol.

I have heard lots of people theorize this, i just dont see it. Walt is already dying from cancer why would he want to trade one slow painful death for another.

I think in the finally we get one more brilliant Walter White scheme.
 

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Damn you're good. That was almost spot on. Only thing you missed was Andrea. That almost brought me to tears...damn that was f*cked up.
I can't wait to see how Walt deals with Gray Matter....

I don't think he is going to deal with Grey Matter more or less. I think what they said about how there is no good left in Walt just spurred him into action to do something "good".
 

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I don't think he is going to deal with Grey Matter more or less. I think what they said about how there is no good left in Walt just spurred him into action to do something "good".

I agree. I think Grey Matter was brought back in to motivate Walt to finish the job as he sees it. It stes up as a Walt/Jack and Jesse/Todd showdown and then I don't know what to expect as a final meeting between Walt and Jesse. BTW thumbs up to Jesse Plemmons in his role as Todd. Great performance, the scene with Skylar was chilling. And the guy playing his Uncle Jack has been a great performance.
 
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I think Grey Matter shows Walt that the Nazis are Grey Matter II, in that he did all of the work and they stole his ~$65,000,000 and his recipe. He's not going to get screwed over twice.

As much as it'd be quite something to see him go to town on Grey Matter, I don't think they can fit it in the 50 minutes of time. I'm already thinking that the finale has to start with him leaving the house with the ricin, no? Or perhaps montage him getting from New Hampshire to New Mexico.
 
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