Bowl Predictions 2019

[dad4aa]

What about the edge case where Georgia beats LSU?

Then they would both be in but I do not see that happening so if that is how you meant Utaha is out then I agree. But if Georgia loses, do you see Utah still out if they win out?

 

[ACamp1900]

SEC West >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pac-12 in it's entirety.

No??

 

[calvegas04]

SEC West >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pac-12 in it's entirety.

You are watching too much ESPN

 

[IrishLax]

Georgia has the best claim to the #4 playoff spot and it's not really close. Shouldn't matter if they lose to LSU. That's my opinion, and I doubt the committee will share that opinion, but it's based on them having big wins and a tough SOS. Giving Utah a spot over Georgia in any scenario sets a dangerous precedent that who you play doesn't matter, you get no credit for wins, and all you need to do is avoid losses + win conference. That's hogwash, IMO.

Both Oklahoma and Utah are mediocre football teams that play soft schedules. Both still found ways to lose to mediocre teams. Both would be 2-3 TD underdogs to the other playoff teams. It would be a colossal error to include either. I would feel differently if either was undefeated... but you cant go out and lose to USC w/ their 3rd string QB and Kansas State and say you belong. Teams like Georgia at least have the quality wins to balance out a loss to a mediocre opponent.

 

[dad4aa]

As will Utah, and that one ranked win lost to Alabama's one ranked win.

Then you look at the rest of the resume, not much else, but two losses.

One to the current #1 team in the nation by 5.

The other a loss to 8-4 USC playing their 3rd string QB.

If Alabama doesn't even win their division let alone their conference and gets in over a 1-loss conference champ Utah or a 1-loss conference champ Oklahoma or Baylor, then what is the point of the regular season? Why don't we just put Bama, OSU and Clemson in the CFP and have everyone else play for one spot? This is ridiculous.

The SOS and other stuff you are posting should only matter if you are looking at two equal resumes as in neither one their conference or division.

 

[ickythump1225]

As will Utah, and that one ranked win lost to Alabama's one ranked win.

Then you look at the rest of the resume, not much else, but two losses.

One to the current #1 team in the nation by 5.

The other a loss to 8-4 USC playing their 3rd string QB.

But Utah's win will still be much better than Alabama's (a 10 win Oregon in the PAC12 CCG). Also basically the only reason Alabama is #5 is because the committee evaluates how good and talented a team is, without Tua it's very fair to say they are no longer as good as they were. You can't just lose one of the 3 or 4 best QBs in CFB and still be as good as you were with him.

 

[ickythump1225]

sets a dangerous precedent that who you play doesn't matter, you get no credit for wins, and all you need to do is avoid losses + win conference. That's hogwash, IMO.

Bro, they already did that with Clemson. That is quite literally Clemson's formula. While we're debating who Utah or Alabama has beaten, I ask who TF Clemson has beaten in the regular season the past 2 seasons really.

 

[ickythump1225]

Georgia has the best claim to the #4 playoff spot and it's not really close. Shouldn't matter if they lose to LSU. That's my opinion, and I doubt the committee will share that opinion, but it's based on them having big wins and a tough SOS. Giving Utah a spot over Georgia in any scenario sets a dangerous precedent that who you play doesn't matter, you get no credit for wins, and all you need to do is avoid losses + win conference. That's hogwash, IMO.

Both Oklahoma and Utah are mediocre football teams that play soft schedules. Both still found ways to lose to mediocre teams. Both would be 2-3 TD underdogs to the other playoff teams. It would be a colossal error to include either. I would feel differently if either was undefeated... but you cant go out and lose to USC w/ their 3rd string QB and Kansas State and say you belong. Teams like Georgia at least have the quality wins to balance out a loss to a mediocre opponent.

Also if you put a 2 loss team into the playoff over a 1 loss conference champion you might as well blow up the entire FBS format as it's broken. I mean at some point you have to win your games and losing to a hot garbage USCe team as one of your 2 losses shouldn't get you in.

If UGA or Alabama gets in (yet again without so much as winning their freaking division) why even play the regular season? Let's just start the playoffs immediately with some sort of aggregate ranking of recruiting *s to determine who is the best on paper. Just put Bama and Clemson in automatically and then pick 2 other SEC teams and call it a day.

 

[bcole2]

Updating this after this week's games. I'm going to do this predicting some upcoming games next week and during conference championship. Bold and underline currently means they are spoken for in either the CFP, Rose or Sugar (bowls we can't get into). The rest will be eligible for 2 spots: Orange (Big 10/SEC/ND) or Cotton (at large) spots. The number next to a conference means the number of teams that need to be bold/underline in order for us to make it. One of the SEC or Big 10 must have all 5 teams taken care of. A team can become bold/underline by moving behind us in the rankings.

SEC (4 or 5)
LSU, Georgia, Alabama, Auburn, Florida

Big Ten (4 or 5)
Ohio State, Minnesota, Michigan, Wisconsin, Penn State

Pac 12 (2)
Oregon, Utah

Big 12 (2)
Oklahoma, Baylor

ACC (1)
Clemson

This is using my projection of LSU, Ohio State, Clemson and Georgia/Alabama for the CFP. Rose would be Utah vs. Wisconsin. Sugar would be Georgia/Alabama vs. Oklahoma. Predicting Auburn, Michigan, Minnesota, Oregon, and Baylor will drop behind us with upcoming losses to Alabama, Ohio State, Wisconsin, Utah, and Oklahoma (again), respectively.

Basically, we could sneak in if all this happens and either Florida (FSU) or Penn State (Rutgers, lol) loses this next week because I don't see us passing them otherwise and they would take our Orange and Cotton Bowl spots. Do you guys agree? PSU keeping it semi close against the Buckeyes hurt us and they have the common opponent win against Michigan. Also, none of this even matters if 2 SEC teams don't get in, because that's another team taking a NY6 spot from us.

 

[Irishize]

The drumbeat for Alabama is already getting louder on Twitter from the media. Get ready b/c this will be the impetus to 6 or 8 team playoff.

The CFP wants their cake & eat it too. In other words, they want to honor conference champions but they also want the four best teams in their minds.

Alabama is surely one of the four most talented teams but why are they always the one team that is gifted a “do over” when they decide not to show up one week in the regular season and lose? No other team gets that luxury every year but Bama.

 

[GATTACA!]

Utah is a moot point. Oregon is going to throttle them.

 

[Crazy Balki]

But Utah's win will still be much better than Alabama's (a 10 win Oregon in the PAC12 CCG). Also basically the only reason Alabama is #5 is because the committee evaluates how good and talented a team is, without Tua it's very fair to say they are no longer as good as they were. You can't just lose one of the 3 or 4 best QBs in CFB and still be as good as you were with him.

I don't know how you can say beating Auburn on the road is a better win than beating Oregon in a neutral site, considering Auburn beat Oregon, indicating they are indeed the better team. Record be damned. Auburn is 8-3 but their three losses have come to currently top 10 teams. Oregon has played one ranked team in Auburn and lost. Then they lost to a 5-5 ASU squad.

The remainder of Utah's schedule is awful, even though Alabama's isn't good either, it's better than Utah's.

 

[dad4aa]

I don't know how you can say beating Auburn on the road is a better win than beating Oregon in a neutral site, considering Auburn beat Oregon, indicating they are indeed the better team. Record be damned. Auburn is 8-3 but their three losses have come to currently top 10 teams. Oregon has played one ranked team in Auburn and lost. Then they lost to a 5-5 ASU squad.

The remainder of Utah's schedule is awful, even though Alabama's isn't good either, it's better than Utah's.

You really need to stop getting sucked into the ESPN SEC hype. The only reason their record seems tough is all the preseason bias. If OSU, Michigan, PSU and Wisconsin were ranked in the preseason top 10 then they would all have quality losses. The ONLY ranked teams most of the SEC play are each other along with multiple FCS teams. Hell, even the FCS teams suck as Bama's opponent yesterday was a 3-9 FCS team.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Updating this after this week's games. I'm going to do this predicting some upcoming games next week and during conference championship. Bold and underline currently means they are spoken for in either the CFP, Rose or Sugar (bowls we can't get into). The rest will be eligible for 2 spots: Orange (Big 10/SEC/ND) or Cotton (at large) spots. The number next to a conference means the number of teams that need to be bold/underline in order for us to make it. One of the SEC or Big 10 must have all 5 teams taken care of. A team can become bold/underline by moving behind us in the rankings.

SEC (4 or 5)
LSU, Georgia, Alabama, Auburn, Florida

Big Ten (4 or 5)
Ohio State, Minnesota, Michigan, Wisconsin, Penn State

Pac 12 (2)
Oregon, Utah

Big 12 (2)
Oklahoma, Baylor

ACC (1)
Clemson

This is using my projection of LSU, Ohio State, Clemson and Georgia/Alabama for the CFP. Rose would be Utah vs. Wisconsin. Sugar would be Georgia/Alabama vs. Oklahoma. Predicting Auburn, Michigan, Minnesota, Oregon, and Baylor will drop behind us with upcoming losses to Alabama, Ohio State, Wisconsin, Utah, and Oklahoma (again), respectively.

Basically, we could sneak in if all this happens and either Florida (FSU) or Penn State (Rutgers, lol) loses this next week because I don't see us passing them otherwise and they would take our Orange and Cotton Bowl spots. Do you guys agree? PSU keeping it semi close against the Buckeyes hurt us and they have the common opponent win against Michigan. Also, none of this even matters if 2 SEC teams don't get in, because that's another team taking a NY6 spot from us.

I really don't think Penn State should get the credit. Ohio State did everything in their power to keep that game close, but utterly dominated them.

That being said, I can see Penn State getting the Rose Bowl bid if Wisconsin beats Minnesota and then Ohio State beats them to death again.

Still probably a situation where the Cotton Bowl wants to do everything in their power to bolster ratings due to being stuck with a G5 school, and ND is simply a much bigger pull than Penn State.

All this may depend on what happens with the Orange Bowl and whether some finagling takes place, since the ACC has zero business in a NY6 bowl.

 

[ickythump1225]

I don't know how you can say beating Auburn on the road is a better win than beating Oregon in a neutral site, considering Auburn beat Oregon, indicating they are indeed the better team. Record be damned. Auburn is 8-3 but their three losses have come to currently top 10 teams. Oregon has played one ranked team in Auburn and lost. Then they lost to a 5-5 ASU squad.

The remainder of Utah's schedule is awful, even though Alabama's isn't good either, it's better than Utah's.

Is South Carolina a better team than Georgia? I mean they did beat them on the field after all.

 

[Crazy Balki]

You really need to stop getting sucked into the ESPN SEC hype. The only reason their record seems tough is all the preseason bias. If OSU, Michigan, PSU and Wisconsin were ranked in the preseason top 10 then they would all have quality losses. The ONLY ranked teams most of the SEC play are each other along with multiple FCS teams. Hell, even the FCS teams suck as Bama's opponent yesterday was a 3-9 FCS team.

I'm not sucked into the SEC hype, but it is still a MUCH better conference than the Pac-12 is currently. That isn't even remotely debatable.

Case in point, the best team in the Pac-12 North (and arguably the best team overall) lost to Auburn, who is best case going to finish 3rd in their division and 5th overall in the SEC.

I get that Alabama's resume is overhyped and their best win to date is A&M, but A&M is better than any win that Utah has currently. Bear in mind, the Pac-12 currently has only 3 teams with a record better than 6-5. That is absolutely pathetic. The 2nd place team in the North behind Oregon is Oregon State. Oregon State is 5-6. In fact, half of the conference is currently sitting at below .500.

The Pac-12 is simply going to get the short end of the stick and they deserve it. They have zero quality OOC wins and the conference as a whole is abysmal. I'd be the first to tell you that the last thing I want is multiple SEC teams in the playoff, but that's the reality of the situation. The Pac-12 is looked upon as a very weak conference and Utah's reputation is going to suffer because of it. The only way I see them jumping Bama is if they absolutely destroy Oregon.

 

[ickythump1225]

Starting to think Balki is Paul Finebaum.

 

[dad4aa]

Is South Carolina a better team than Georgia? I mean they did beat them on the field after all.

And they beat them AT Georgia

 

[IrishLax]

Also if you put a 2 loss team into the playoff over a 1 loss conference champion you might as well blow up the entire FBS format as it's broken. I mean at some point you have to win your games and losing to a hot garbage USCe team as one of your 2 losses shouldn't get you in.

If UGA or Alabama gets in (yet again without so much as winning their freaking division) why even play the regular season? Let's just start the playoffs immediately with some sort of aggregate ranking of recruiting *s to determine who is the best on paper. Just put Bama and Clemson in automatically and then pick 2 other SEC teams and call it a day.

It should be blown up regardless.

This year is an example of why the BCS didn't work... what happens if you have an undefeated LSU and Ohio State... each with great SOS and big wins... but an undefeated reigning national champ who hasn't lost in 30 games? How do you pick two teams?

But it also reveals a major issue... namely that no team has a clear case for the #4 spot, and that the criteria doesn't work.

8 team playoff with all conference champs getting AQs regardless of record fixes 90% of the issues with the playoff system. The main issue now is not "SEC bias" it is teams not being evaluated consistently and not being seeded fairly based on objective criteria. There is way too much politicking and disrespect for quality wins/SOS.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Bowl Predictions 2019

What 2 survive this scenario?

-OSU loses on a fluke to 1 loss Minnesota in B1G
-LSU runs table, IN
-Utah runs table
-Clemson runs table, IN
-Oklahoma runs table

This creates two spots for: Minnesota, Ohio State, Alabama, Oklahoma, Utah





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[Dizzyphil]

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Saturday, December 28
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ACC vs. Big 12
Projection: Notre Dame vs. Oklahoma State
Last Season: Syracuse 34, West Virginia 18




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Camping World Bowl: Notre Dame vs. Texas


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Dec. 28, noon, ABC
Bonagura: Notre Dame vs. Iowa State
Schlabach: Notre Dame vs. Oklahoma State


I don't think they will put the Irish in NY6 even if they dominate the trees.

 

[House16]

It’s possible we get in the Cotton Bowl, but we’d need a lot of help. Utah beating Oregon And FSU beating Florida would do it. OU losing out could also be swapped in there. Not likely but possible.

 

[tko]

Beat Stanford

 

[IrishSteelhead]

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Yes please. CWB committee would cream themselves.


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[koonja]

So even with Oregon losing, one of WI/MN losing, PSU possibly falling back, and UM likely to lose and drop... still no shot at NY6?

Damn.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

It’s possible we get in the Cotton Bowl, but we’d need a lot of help. Utah beating Oregon And FSU beating Florida would do it. OU losing out could also be swapped in there. Not likely but possible.

Fsu beating UF?

"so you're telling me there's (NOT) a chance?"

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[SouthernIndianaNDFan]

ND is getting crapped on. How does Michigan jump to #12 after last week and we stay put, and we beat the better team? Makes no sense. I guess that's why you can't get absolutely embarrassed in Primetime, leaves too a bad a taste in the powers that be's mouths. That's literally the only reason we aren't in, HOW we lost to Michigan. Jeez.

 

[rtrn2glory]

We're paying for the ass kicking a shitty Michigan team gave us and rightfully so

 

[greyhammer90]

It should be blown up regardless.

This year is an example of why the BCS didn't work... what happens if you have an undefeated LSU and Ohio State... each with great SOS and big wins... but an undefeated reigning national champ who hasn't lost in 30 games? How do you pick two teams?

But it also reveals a major issue... namely that no team has a clear case for the #4 spot, and that the criteria doesn't work.

8 team playoff with all conference champs getting AQs regardless of record fixes 90% of the issues with the playoff system. The main issue now is not "SEC bias" it is teams not being evaluated consistently and not being seeded fairly based on objective criteria. There is way too much politicking and disrespect for quality wins/SOS.

Yep. "Best" just means "whoever we want." The point of the playoffs should have never been to find the "best four teams." The point should have been to find the champion and to set up a tournament between non-common opponents who have a legitimate argument that they are the best team within their region. Alabama getting into the playoffs this year is stupid, because it has already been proven by their own system that they aren't even the best team in the South. It's been decided by their own rules. If you want the regular season to remain a "season-long tournament" like CFB fans like to claim, you have to honor the outcomes of those regional tournaments that make up the vast majority of games. You can't just say "yeah they lost their conference division but they look better than the West Coast champion that I didn't watch because I'm not staying up that late lol." Like you said, auto-bid conference championships solve 90% of this.

Not only that, but it means that we as fans get to see the "narratives" get challenged in a championship environment. Maybe the PAC12 is actually good this year and are just beating each other up? Maybe the BIG 12 teams have decent defenses but their offenses are just that much better? Sure most of the time these eye-test narratives will be proven correctly, but they are often wrong. The eyetest has been shown by the playoffs to be a sham, since no team sitting at No. 1 has won the playoffs.

 

[Irishize]

College Football News:
Camping World Bowl

Saturday, December 28
12:00 ET, ABC
Camping World Stadium, Orlando, FL
ACC vs. Big 12
Projection: Notre Dame vs. Oklahoma State
Last Season: Syracuse 34, West Virginia 18




247 sports:


Camping World Bowl: Notre Dame vs. Texas


E$PN"


Camping World Bowl
Camping World Stadium, Orlando, Florida
Dec. 28, noon, ABC
Bonagura: Notre Dame vs. Iowa State
Schlabach: Notre Dame vs. Oklahoma State


I don't think they will put the Irish in NY6 even if they dominate the trees.

4-loss Iowa state? Ugh.