BK stays at ND

[GoIrish41]

To me it's obvious he's fighting for his assistants and program changes. There is no way he finishes polishing his Porsche and hands the keys to some new guy. Plus there has been no panic from recruits or current players lately.

Does Anzalone count?

 

[IrishSteelhead]

I take issue with the philosophy that Notre Dame can not win titles with the system in place. The idea that getting a few extra recruits who don't meet the standards as are will allow us to win championships just doesn't make sense to me.

Take for example, the situation with Al-Quadin Muhammad. Great player. Doesn't fit criteria. The current system says, don't bring him in. He is the #4 DE according to 247 I believe. Now take Kylie Fitts who we are somewhat in with (hes a longshot, I know, but its not the specific person its the example). He is the #7 DE I believe, according to 247.

He can get in with the current system. Is the talent gap that big between 4 and 7? No, I don't think so. Kelly can coach the #7 player up to be as good or better than the #4.

The reason we got blown out was a lack of depth, which can be expected when you are "a year ahead of schedule" Look at our recruiting class this year. #1 in the country according to some outlets. When ND wins it sells very easily to recruits. Just win games and recruiting at a high level won't be a problem, even with the current system.

You kind of debunked yourself here. You noted that depth doomed us on Monday, but to get depth, the REAL depth that teams like Bama has, you have to make some concessions when it comes to marginal players and oversigning, etc. Good post nonetheless.

 

[LoveThee]

Can we come up with a special award for this guy? When has anyone come up with this many well thought points, well written and presented, out of the chute?

Thank you sir! Reps to you

 

[Irish To The Core]

I'm not sure it's so much that Chuck Martin IS the answer, as Chuck Martin is the answer...right now. Any competent AD should have a contingency (or contingencies) plan in place if ____ happens. Perhaps if BK leaves on the 14th of January of this year, Chuck Martin is the man JS has identified as taking over, but opening things up for other candidates for next year.

In the event that Kelly actually leaves, I would actually be happy to see Chuck Martin take over. He has head coaching experience. He has a "way" with the players. I think he is more sincere and less political than Kelly by nature. (that is not a criticism of BK, I think it is just a fact) He has had a life-long passion for Notre Dame football. He goes about his job without controversy. I think he is a good role model for the players. He has been an integral insider in the process of changing the culture of the ND football program from the beginning of BK's tenure here. Most importantly he is a damn good coach, both defensively and offensively.

Martin differs from Bob Davies (assistant promoted to head coach with negative consequenses) in a few key areas. First Davie was assistant to Holtz during a period of relative decline in the program. Martin would not have to "right the ship" he simply has to keep building on what is already right with the program. Secondly, Martin has done this before at Grand Valley, with great success. Thirdly, Davie was politicking for the head coaching job in the background prior to Lou's departure.

I see Martin as a consensus builder, a guy who could easily rally the staff behind him and keep the program heading in the right direction. In my opinion, if Kelly were to leave, Swarbrick could not do better than hiring Chuck Martin.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Whoa! Can't wait to see that thread if it happens.

When that thread starts, we all will agree the Mayans were just a few weeks off

 

[johnnykillz]

You kind of debunked yourself here. You noted that depth doomed us on Monday, but to get depth, the REAL depth that teams like Bama has, you have to make some concessions when it comes to marginal players and oversigning, etc. Good post nonetheless.

You nailed it Steelhead.

I concur in full.

 

[Booslum31]

Hey guys have not posted in awhile. You can take this anyway you want but my aunt is best friends with one of assistants wife and she just texted her a but ago that Kelly told the staff he is staying at ND. Like I said take it how you want because I am not how much I trust what Kelly days right now.

I'm going to go with this and go take down my Christmas Lights.

 

[Emcee77]

Hey guys have not posted in awhile. You can take this anyway you want but my aunt is best friends with one of assistants wife and she just texted her a but ago that Kelly told the staff he is staying at ND. Like I said take it how you want because I am not how much I trust what Kelly days right now.

That's great news if true. Can you say more?

 

[PLACforever]

Can we come up with a special award for this guy? When has anyone come up with this many well thought points, well written and presented, out of the chute?

I second this

 

[johnnykillz]

Does Anzalone count?

Absolutely.

 

[Rocky2820]

Can we come up with a special award for this guy? When has anyone come up with this many well thought points, well written and presented, out of the chute?

I just repped him a few minutes ago. He deserves a full line of green.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Does Anzalone count?

Anzalone was always wavering and that was noticed by his fellow recruits. Kelly isn't going to be concerned with one kid when he's fighting for infinitely bigger things. Anzalones loss is nothing when it comes to solidifying this coaching staff..

 

[IrishFiend88]

Do you have proof of that, because I know a department head, and they don't get nearly what you would think.

Obviously not true. Remember what we are still paying Charlie Weis

 

[KPENN]

“@AdamSchefter: Colts OC Bruce Arians has added Eagles on Tuesday to an interview schedule that included Bears on Sunday and Chargers on Monday.”

 

[koonja]

Brian Hamilton ‏@ChiTribHamilton

Also to correct record: #NotreDame HC Brian Kelly never left US soil this week. Miami, Nashville, vacation here with wife, now Connecticut.

 

[woolybug25]

Ha, it's not like he's pulling your leg or trolling so he can watch IE burn. What if the guy got info that was initially true and it changed? Does that not happen? The sources are as legit as they get, that's as far as I'll go with that.

I don't understand the hate thrown his way. All the "insiders", that a lot of you pay to read, throw 10x more bullshit out there.

I never have said that TP has ill intent. I don't believe that at all.

I'm just saying that there is a contingent of people on here that claim that his word is gold and that he is never wrong. Well... here is being wrong. All of the TP lemmings always bash us "non believers" for not giving him props for being right all of the time. So this is a clear example of why we don't.

Btw, you know that you're my boy, but this TP support from you only started once he started bringing you into his fold. Sending you personal messages and whatnot. You used to not like the cryptic tweets and self-promotion yourself.

Carry on...

 

[JadeBrecks]

I am getting really tired of going through this thread for nothing changing. Could I ask someone to PM me if something changes.

 

[IrishLax]

You kind of debunked yourself here. You noted that depth doomed us on Monday, but to get depth, the REAL depth that teams like Bama has, you have to make some concessions when it comes to marginal players and oversigning, etc. Good post nonetheless.

Yup... do we want to do that? I don't know. It's really the NCAA's fault because 25+25+25+25+25=125 NOT 85... so you can either run your program like 'Bama or you can pray you don't get injuries. I hope everyone realizes that we were two injuries to the DL away from probably being 8-4 this year. You lose Nix and Tuitt for the year and the team has a completely different complexion. Without JUCOs or oversigning there is no way to keep a roster adequately stocked with players in case of injury.

I think you're seeing significant pushback from the admin which cares so much about our top graduation rate and morally objects to doing things like cutting players. But when you have no way to account for transfers plus dead weight on your roster (there are at least a half dozen guys who have no chance of ever seeing the field) it makes it really difficult to sustain success.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Anzalone was always wavering and that was noticed by his fellow recruits. Kelly isn't going to be concerned with one kid when he's fighting for infinitely bigger things. Anzalones loss is nothing when it comes to solidifying this coaching staff..

Exactly. The more details we hear, the more losing Anzalone looks like a ridiculously small amount of attrition. If the assistant security, more wiggle room ideas are true, I'd drive AA to Gainsville myself and not feel bad about it at all.

 

[Grahambo]

I take issue with the philosophy that Notre Dame can not win titles with the system in place. The idea that getting a few extra recruits who don't meet the standards as are will allow us to win championships just doesn't make sense to me.

Take for example, the situation with Al-Quadin Muhammad. Great player. Doesn't fit criteria. The current system says, don't bring him in. He is the #4 DE according to 247 I believe. Now take Kylie Fitts who we are somewhat in with (hes a longshot, I know, but its not the specific person its the example). He is the #7 DE I believe, according to 247.

He can get in with the current system. Is the talent gap that big between 4 and 7? No, I don't think so. Kelly can coach the #7 player up to be as good or better than the #4.

The reason we got blown out was a lack of depth, which can be expected when you are "a year ahead of schedule" Look at our recruiting class this year. #1 in the country according to some outlets. When ND wins it sells very easily to recruits. Just win games and recruiting at a high level won't be a problem, even with the current system.

Theoretically the talent gap isn't that big but if you can't get #4 due to a test score and #7 just doesn't want to come, then the issue with depth comes in to play. Look at ILB this year. Why not give AQM a chance to prove he can handle ND academics?

Its been 20 plus years with this system which has slowly evolved. Some more needs to occur to play with the big boys. 0-3 in BCS games and never stood a chance in any of them.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I second this

Unbelievable Avatar! Good news? I didn't hear! Wait a minute with recruiting coming to a head; does he have a class of '30 loi signed? Is this the bruiser?

 

[woolybug25]

Dear NDHoosier,

Please ignore my posts. You are the only person that ever neg reps me and you do it every time I post. You are constantly acting like a child. Seriously, neg reps are used for trolls and no one worth their weight in crap neg reps long time posters for simply not liking what they write. Seriously... despite the ridiculous stuff you have posted here, I have never neg repped you once.

 

[AgentJ]

Really hope we don't start oversigning. This isn't win-at-all-costs, IMO. It's win and be Notre Dame.

I'm fine with never winning another title if it means we keep our integrity.

 

[Cali_domer]

Dear NDHoosier,

Please ignore my posts. You are the only person that ever neg reps me and you do it every time I post. You are constantly acting like a child. Seriously, neg reps are used for trolls and no one worth their weight in crap neg reps long time posters for simply not liking what they write. Seriously... despite the ridiculous stuff you have posted here, I have never neg repped you once.

He was voted best new poster on DD.

 

[johnnykillz]

Anzalone was always wavering and that was noticed by his fellow recruits. Kelly isn't going to be concerned with one kid when he's fighting for infinitely bigger things. Anzalones loss is nothing when it comes to solidifying this coaching staff..

In life, you meet people that make quicker and more irrational decisions than others.

Some are more emotional.

I don't know the kid personally, but I am 100% sold he would have been Irish had he not been so pressured by both his parents, peers, etc keeping in context the situation with Kelly.

Had this situation not occurred, he would be on campus and rooming with Huerman.

But everyone can keep telling themselves whatever makes them feel better.

AA is a good maybe great ball player and it seems to me an emotional decision maker vs. a logical one. A lot of 18 year olds are in fact.

It seems our board has a lot of them too, not exempting myself.

That doesn't mean he was wavering. It just means he was under intense pressure to make a decision for early enrollment.

Timing couldn't be worse for these poor kids EE'ing.

Faith is tough to have right now.

He wanted to play for a coach he knew would be there.

Come next week if Kelly is in Philly, he'll look like an oracle and his decision will be one others may have wished they followed...

 

[Irish To The Core]

Anzalone was always wavering and that was noticed by his fellow recruits. Kelly isn't going to be concerned with one kid when he's fighting for infinitely bigger things. Anzalones loss is nothing when it comes to solidifying this coaching staff..

I concur. Anzalone would have been a very nice addition to the team IF he were all in. But he is not a once every ten years talent and, more importantly, his commitment was fragile. Hopefully the reports that Kelly's goals in this "negotiation" are largely centered on rewarding his staff thereby creating greater stability in the program then Anzalone's departure is a very minor setback.

 

[zbikowski88]

@ChiTribHamilton to correct record: #NotreDame HC Brian Kelly never left US soil this wk. FL, Nashville, vaca here w/ wife, now CONN.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Really hope we don't start oversigning. This isn't win-at-all-costs, IMO. It's win and be Notre Dame.

I'm fine with never winning another title if it means we keep our integrity.

You can have your cake and eat it too though. BK isn't lobbying to bring the second coming of Willie Williams in, he just wants good kids with marginal credentials like AQM to be given a shot.

*This probably wouldn't be an issue if we didn't have the Tee Shepard fiasco last year. I'm sure admin feels like they have egg on their face

 

[IrishLax]

Really hope we don't start oversigning. This isn't win-at-all-costs, IMO. It's win and be Notre Dame.

I'm fine with never winning another title if it means we keep our integrity.

There are compromises that are possible... especially with our 5th year system. I hope they are talking about them. If you push the 5th year decision date back (like into spring or after the year) then you can oversign by a couple kids to account for transfers/injuries/etc. and then if for some reason you end up plus a kid or two then you can take it out of the 5th year pool as a last resort.

Perfect system? No. Plausible? Absolutely. I'm just really hoping both sides are being flexible/reasonable. The ND admin is NOT known for being either of those... and BK doesn't strike me as a compromising guy either.

 

[zbikowski88]

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