Biden Presidency

[BilboBaggins]

You really don't see yourself talking out of both sides of your mouth here? Yes the pandemic is screwing up our economy - especially for the wage class earners. Not just losing their jobs but dealing with depressed kids at home who are flunking their new home schooling mandate. https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/article247237469.html

Those are all going to be really interesting factors for policy makers to consider.

What are the long term economic implications of an entire generation who had their education compromised?

Are you referring to the entire generation told to go to college regardless of the debt and now is burdened with like a trillion dollars of education debt and is unable to buy cars/houses/etc at the rate of previous generations, thereby reducing demand for products and thwarting GDP growth since 67% of GDP growth comes form product demand mainly from the middle class? Is that the economic implication you're considering?

How many careers are compromised by being forced to quit to focus on your kids at home now?

This is amazing to me. How many careers and breakthroughs were compromised because the United States is the only industrialized nation on earth that relies primarily on employer-provided health care? How many men and women can't take that good ol' entrepreneurial risk to start an industry-breaking company because they have a child or two and cannot risk giving up health care?

I mean really, these positions are just rich coming from a Republican lol

Economically - the oil/gas boom in the US propelled a lot the economic gains and made it easy to disengage from the oil oligarchs. Energy policy is foreign policy with strength leading to peace. $5 gas is coming, higher utility bills both of which impact the lowest earners and dependent class the most. Oil industry will make profits at higher prices and take their projects overseas. Investment in the US will halt but the stocks should perform well near term.

THE SKY IS FALLING.

Curious how you feel about CNN taking down their COVID Death tracker yesterday and I saw somewhere that new protocols will require a second positive test and some clinical presentation of symptoms before being thrown in the COVID positive pile.

IT'S A GOD DAMN CONSPIRACY.

 

[BilboBaggins]

I'm lol'ing that drayer had to google "women playing male sports," make sure you used incognito mode or that search could be weird in the future.

I am 100% against men identifying as women and playing female sports. Wake me up when that happens.

btw women have been wrestling in male wrestling for decades. That isn't anything new fwiw.

 

[BilboBaggins]

As messed up and detrimental to women as that policy is, scratching the Keystone Pipeline is worse. Thousands of jobs lost and more dependency on foreign oil.

What state is Canada? What part of Houston is TRANS CANADA Energy headquartered in?

To be honest though, axing the Keystone Oil pipeline wouldn't have been on my top 100 issues. It'll probably just get piped to Vancouver and barged to China, and then put in the worldwide oil market and have no detected impact on prices.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I brought the transgenders in sports issue up to a progressive co-worker a year or so ago and she literally told me that was made up. Well, honey, your POTUS just signed an EO about it so how made up is it...?

Agree with above poster who said this is just a woke distraction. The ruling class will chug along, as it did with Trump, the distractions will just be different. The media will have to find something else to bitch about that will drive ratings. Btw, is it true that CNN took down their Covid ticker? My God, how blatantly obvious can they be?

Pretty sure Lax was a Repub pre-Trump takeover of the Repub party. Maybe I'm wrong. Either way, you'll be hard pressed to find a more balanced and fair poster, imo. Usually, ignores the bias and sticks to the facts.

 

[GowerND11]

Its not a lot of bluster unfortunately. Since this is about how you identify, you don't need to do much to qualify I dont think.

A year or two ago, I think in Connecticut, a male won a state title in track and naturally, the girls who lost had some upset parents.

Even if you cut your dong off, our bodies are still built differently.

Plus, the dude doesn't need to be Shaq bossing around the low block. I'm not great at basketball, and I'm maybe 5 foot 10 in shoes tops. I would have gotten 10 minutes a game on our very average boy's team and rarely scored.

I'm not some extraordinary athlete, but if you put me on our girls basketball team in high school we'd win state and I'd average 25 a game. I'm taller than most of them, I'm faster than almost all of them. I'm stronger than all of them unless they got some corn fed Alberta beef playing the post.

Would this have ever happened at my school? Or many of our schools? No. But if it is required by the Feds, schools and communities will have a harder time dealing with that, particularly in larger and more progressive areas. It'll be few and far between because...well there ain't many trans folks.

High T based alpha chad Bruce Jenner won a fucking gold medal in the Olympics. I'm assuming even low T beta virgin Bruce Jenner is absolutely jailsexing girls in high school and college sports.

I'm 100% with you that it'd be super super rare, but if a single girl is deprived of a state title, or playing time, because some dude is playing girls sports, thats one too many.

Always 'Berta beef.

 

[NorthDakota]

Those are all going to be really interesting factors for policy makers to consider.



Are you referring to the entire generation told to go to college regardless of the debt and now is burdened with like a trillion dollars of education debt and is unable to buy cars/houses/etc at the rate of previous generations, thereby reducing demand for products and thwarting GDP growth since 67% of GDP growth comes form product demand mainly from the middle class? Is that the economic implication you're considering?



This is amazing to me. How many careers and breakthroughs were compromised because the United States is the only industrialized nation on earth that relies primarily on employer-provided health care? How many men and women can't take that good ol' entrepreneurial risk to start an industry-breaking company because they have a child or two and cannot risk giving up health care?

I mean really, these positions are just rich coming from a Republican lol



THE SKY IS FALLING.



IT'S A GOD DAMN CONSPIRACY.

Regarding covid tracker being taken down by CNN, or changing how people are being counted in general, is dorky at best assuming its true. It reminds me a bit of when our Covid deaths were climbing and the news report says "1 IN 1000 DEAD IN NORTH DAKOTA." Our death rate is and was lower than some...liberal places where they'd report deaths per 100K.

Is it the end of the world? No. Is it stupid and worthy of criticism? Absolutely. Particularly since they do it as soon as the guy they want to protect takes the office of the dude they blamed in the first place.

 

[NorthDakota]

I'm lol'ing that drayer had to google "women playing male sports," make sure you used incognito mode or that search could be weird in the future.

I am 100% against men identifying as women and playing female sports. Wake me up when that happens.

btw women have been wrestling in male wrestling for decades. That isn't anything new fwiw.

Girls playing with guys is fine. I wrestled, when I was younger I had to whoop up on a few tomboys.

Two stories on the topic

1. My phone started blowing up one day from all the JV guys texting and trying to call me. We had a couple girls join our team one year to get in shape and try something new. I had no problem with them, nice girls. Anyway, at a JV tourney, one of them was wrestling a dude who got a red rocket during the match. A wrestling singlet in a gym of people is literally the worst place for that to happen. My God, the boys love telling that story. I imagine the young man went home and did one of them Japanese sword suicide things.

2. We were dealing a team from the Rez. Indians are tough SOB's so we are all focused except this one guy on our team who was going against a girl. He's super laid back all day.

He goes out there and she's putting up a fight, he might not pin her. Fast forward to the third period and he only ends up winning by 1 or 2 points. Walked off the mat completely shell-shocked. Looked like he had just been through a hell on some mission in Cambodia.

 

[Irish#1]

btw women have been wrestling in male wrestling for decades. That isn't anything new fwiw.

Yes they have and primarily because there aren't enough girls to field a full team in HS so they put them on the boys team. I don't remember if any of my sons wrestled a girl, but I saw a lot of guys refuse to wrestle a girl. Once in a while you would see a girl beat a guy, but 99% of the time they ended up on the losing end.

In the Indiana USAWA girls wrestle against boys, but when the state tournament comes around, the girls have their own tournament.

 

[Irish#1]

Was thinking about this yesterday. I think there's two reasons why he may not use EO's as often. 1. He has the House and Senate with him so getting things done should be a lot easier for him than it was for Trump. 2. Biden is an old D.C. politician. He won't have the same mindset or perspective as Trump when trying to get things done. Trump loathed the political BS that makes it impossible to get something passed and implemented fairly quickly so he used EO's to get around the "highway construction zone barriers".

Just saw on cnn that he's up to 30 EO's already.

 

[drayer54]

Just saw on cnn that he's up to 30 EO's already.

Gross. Why are you watching CNN?

I think 50 in the first week comes with a free crown and throne.

 

[IrishLax]

I don't give two shits about dudes competing with chicks, do you? You assume dudes are just clamoring to compete against girls. They're not. This is a non issue for six-sigma worth of people.

I care about responsible adults making adult decisions about how we approach pandemics, the economy (it's not just America) foreign relations, ethical governing, and the climate.

Yeah, actually I do. Probably because I coach HS sports and have spent a large amount of my life dedicated to sports. I think it completely destroys women's sports both at the professional and amateur level. There are already high profile examples of this issue. Ironically, in the Connecticut case it was found that such a policy violates Title IX, meaning that Biden's EO is unlawful if enforced. It is only a matter of time before this ends up in front of the Supreme Court and *at worst* this will be a 6-3 ruling against such a

And if the NCAA is forced to allow males to compete with females, it is only a matter of time until people start taking advantage of this to get a free college education. The rewards are even greater at the Olympic level or when considering sports like tennis. A decent male player could dominate the female tour to the tune of millions of dollars. And this isn't a far fetched scenario. There is a reason many female athletes speak out vehemently against the idea of allowing males to compete in their sports.

In general, I have no issues with trans inclusive policies. None whatsoever. But I draw the line at sports for a lot of self-explanatory reasons.

 

[drayer54]

Shot

Chaser

 

[IrishLax]

I brought the transgenders in sports issue up to a progressive co-worker a year or so ago and she literally told me that was made up. Well, honey, your POTUS just signed an EO about it so how made up is it...?

Agree with above poster who said this is just a woke distraction. The ruling class will chug along, as it did with Trump, the distractions will just be different. The media will have to find something else to bitch about that will drive ratings. Btw, is it true that CNN took down their Covid ticker? My God, how blatantly obvious can they be?

Pretty sure Lax was a Repub pre-Trump takeover of the Repub party. Maybe I'm wrong. Either way, you'll be hard pressed to find a more balanced and fair poster, imo. Usually, ignores the bias and sticks to the facts.

You're correct, and I'm still a registered Republican. I try to treat each individual issue on its merits. If we're talking policy, I might come down on the right or the left, just depends on the issue. The vast majority of my posting history on this site is on the "right".... pre-2016.

 

[NorthDakota]

Yeah, actually I do. Probably because I coach HS sports and have spent a large amount of my life dedicated to sports. I think it completely destroys women's sports both at the professional and amateur level. There are already high profile examples of this issue. Ironically, in the Connecticut case it was found that such a policy violates Title IX, meaning that Biden's EO is unlawful if enforced. It is only a matter of time before this ends up in front of the Supreme Court and *at worst* this will be a 6-3 ruling against such a

And if the NCAA is forced to allow males to compete with females, it is only a matter of time until people start taking advantage of this to get a free college education. The rewards are even greater at the Olympic level or when considering sports like tennis. A decent male player could dominate the female tour to the tune of millions of dollars. And this isn't a far fetched scenario. There is a reason many female athletes speak out vehemently against the idea of allowing males to compete in their sports.

In general, I have no issues with trans inclusive policies. None whatsoever. But I draw the line at sports for a lot of self-explanatory reasons.

I'm with this mostly.

If this somehow held up, I hope some school pulls a publicity stunt and finds 5 guys who aren't good enough to play D1 basketball and tells them to come play basketball as the girls team.

Watching Geno Auriema have an aneurysm on the sideline while "Tiffany" Johnson posterizes his all-american post in the national championship game that is a 40 point game at halftime would be amazing...and also might cause a new wave of feminism lol.

Final Score:
University of Phoenix Online: 124
UCONN: 36

 

[NorthDakota]

You're correct, and I'm still a registered Republican. I try to treat each individual issue on its merits. If we're talking policy, I might come down on the right or the left, just depends on the issue. The vast majority of my posting history on this site is on the "right".... pre-2016.

Two days of a Biden Presidency and Lax is flaunting his GOP credentials.

 

[BilboBaggins]

You're correct, and I'm still a registered Republican. I try to treat each individual issue on its merits. If we're talking policy, I might come down on the right or the left, just depends on the issue. The vast majority of my posting history on this site is on the "right".... pre-2016.

You're not the only one. I've voted for an equal number of Republicans and Democrats for President in my life. Probably 2:1 for Governor in favor of the GOP.

I think this only makes the adamant Trumpers on here look worse though lol

 

[NorthDakota]

You're not the only one. I've voted for an equal number of Republicans and Democrats for President in my life. Probably 2:1 for Governor in favor of the GOP.

I think this only makes the adamant Trumpers on here look worse though lol

I dont like the governor metric. People seem to be pretty open minded about the opposite party in state elections.

 

[ulukinatme]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">To put the amount of deaths from Covid in perspective, under Joe Biden’s presidency, it’s like 8,529 times Abraham Lincoln has been assassinated, all at once.</p>— Stephen L. Miller (@redsteeze) <a href="https://twitter.com/redsteeze/status/1352626222425993218?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Obviously I am not attributing these deaths to Biden, and neither is the author here. Biden is no more responsible for today's (Or next month's) COVID deaths than Trump was. Even Biden said in his Town Hall that a President can only mandate that mask and social guidelines be followed in Federal buildings, it's up to State governments to police the rest.

That said, I can appreciate the way the media created a scapegoat for COVID to derail Trump's reelection bid. That's the real crux of these comments. We've known about masks and social distancing for over several months now, and it's each person's responsibility to follow the guidelines...not a suit in Washington. Neither Trump nor Biden can go out and make sure each person is wearing their mask and distancing, it's up to everyone to be responsible for themselves and others around them of course. The replies to the Tweets are entertaining at least.

 

[BilboBaggins]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">To put the amount of deaths from Covid in perspective, under Joe Biden’s presidency, it’s like 8,529 times Abraham Lincoln has been assassinated, all at once.</p>— Stephen L. Miller (@redsteeze) <a href="https://twitter.com/redsteeze/status/1352626222425993218?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Obviously I am not attributing these deaths to Biden, and neither is the author here. Biden is no more responsible for today's (Or next month's) COVID deaths than Trump was. Even Biden said in his Town Hall that a President can only mandate that mask and social guidelines be followed in Federal buildings, it's up to State governments to police the rest.

That said, I can appreciate the way the media created a scapegoat for COVID to derail Trump's reelection bid. That's the real crux of these comments. We've known about masks and social distancing for over several months now, and it's each person's responsibility to follow the guidelines...not a suit in Washington. Neither Trump nor Biden can go out and make sure each person is wearing their mask and distancing, it's up to everyone to be responsible for themselves and others around them of course. The replies to the Tweets are entertaining at least.

Is this real? This is a joke right?

Donald Trump did not take COVID-19 seriously. I know it. His advisors knew it. You should know it.

How many people leaving the Administration and telling us "this guy barely pays attention in meetings" does it take to get the message through to you? HE. WAS. NOT. EVEN. ATTEMPTING. TO. GOVERN. For god sake man they canceled the covid-19 reports for months on end and Trump had alienated every expert on hand by the middle of summer.

If he didn't spend so much time downplaying the virus and was honest with his own followers, covid-19 wouldn't have turned into such a political division by summer. His events wouldn't have turned into anti-mask celebratory events.

He couldn't do that because empathy is a perceived weakness when you're a full-blown fuck head narcissist.

It's not even a question of "how much blame does Trump deserve for COVID?" That's too specific. It's a pass/fail exam and the only question is "did the President take this as seriously as he could have?" ...and that answer is obvious.

 

[ulukinatme]

Is this real? Like are you being serious?

Donald Trump did not take COVID-19 seriously. I know it. His advisors knew it. You should know it.

How many people leaving the Administration and telling us "this guy barely pays attention in meetings" does it take to get the message through to you? HE. WAS. NOT. EVEN. ATTEMPTING. TO. GOVERN. For god sake man they canceled the covid-19 reports for months on end and Trump had alienated every expert on hand by the middle of summer.

If he didn't spend so much time downplaying the virus and was honest with his own followers, covid-19 wouldn't have turned into such a political division by summer. His events wouldn't have turned into anti-mark celebratory events.

He couldn't do that because empathy is a perceived weakness when you're a full-blown fuck head narcissist.

Any perceived lack of action or inaction by Trump is pretty irrelevant when his reach only extends to federal guidelines and buildings when it comes to mask and distancing mandates. COVID news has dominated the news cycle since late Winter, and the guidelines have been pretty clear. Who decided that you couldn't enter businesses anymore without a mask, Trump or your state government and business leaders? Who ultimately is responsible for choosing to wear the mask and follow CDC guidelines which have been in place for months?

I guess you're saying Biden IS responsible for all new infections going forward, so we should start a death count then? What's good for the goose is good for the gander after all...or are all the deaths from now until the end of time also Trump's responsibility? I guess I can stop wearing my mask now, it's not my fault if I'm a carrier and spread the virus, it's the fault of some guy 1000 miles away.

You can place any blame you want on him for downplaying the effects of COVID early on (Despite the WHO telling us China had it under control and it was a mild threat at best), but pointing the finger at Trump over half a year later is disingenuous at best. We've known what to do, it's up to each individual to follow through and be responsible. That's the whole point. When some idiot pushes his way into my wife's assisted living facility when they're in lock down, that's not on the PotUS. When my sister-in-law visits her grandmother with her kids every other weekend and she gets COVID, that's not on the PotUS.

 

[Blazers46]

Any perceived lack of action or inaction by Trump is pretty irrelevant when his reach only extends to federal guidelines and buildings when it comes to mask and distancing mandates. COVID news has dominated the news cycle since late Winter, and the guidelines have been pretty clear. Who decided that you couldn't enter businesses anymore without a mask, Trump or your state government and business leaders? Who ultimately is responsible for choosing to wear the mask and follow CDC guidelines which have been in place for months?

I guess you're saying Biden IS responsible for all new infections going forward, so we should start a death count then? What's good for the goose is good for the gander after all...or are all the deaths from now until the end of time also Trump's responsibility? I guess I can stop wearing my mask now, it's not my fault if I'm a carrier and spread the virus, it's the fault of some guy 1000 miles away.

You can place any blame you want on him for downplaying the effects of COVID early on (Despite the WHO telling us China had it under control and it was a mild threat at best), but pointing the finger at Trump over half a year later is disingenuous at best. We've known what to do, it's up to each individual to follow through and be responsible. That's the whole point. When some idiot pushes his way into my wife's assisted living facility when they're in lock down, that's not on the PotUS. When my sister-in-law visits her grandmother with her kids every other weekend and she gets COVID, that's not on the PotUS.

I am in NM. We spiked when everyone else spiked early on. We peaked, we flattened the curve and then numbers tanked for awhile. Then, like clockwork, they spiked again recently and could be on its way down again (I honestly have no clue because I stopped paying attention). From the moment we peaked to the moment we tanked for a bit you would think (if we are blaming Trumps early inactions) we would know enough to mitigate or control it the next time around. To the contrary it got worse than it did in the first time around. Leaving me to believe this virus had/has names and is/was just ready to call those names when it wanted.

 

[BilboBaggins]

Any perceived lack of action or inaction by Trump is pretty irrelevant when his reach only extends to federal guidelines and buildings when it comes to mask and distancing mandates. COVID news has dominated the news cycle since late Winter, and the guidelines have been pretty clear. Who decided that you couldn't enter businesses anymore without a mask, Trump or your state government and business leaders? Who ultimately is responsible for choosing to wear the mask and follow CDC guidelines which have been in place for months?

I guess you're saying Biden IS responsible for all new infections going forward, so we should start a death count then? What's good for the goose is good for the gander after all...or are all the deaths from now until the end of time also Trump's responsibility? I guess I can stop wearing my mask now, it's not my fault if I'm a carrier and spread the virus, it's the fault of some guy 1000 miles away.

You can place any blame you want on him for downplaying the effects of COVID early on (Despite the WHO telling us China had it under control and it was a mild threat at best), but pointing the finger at Trump over half a year later is disingenuous at best. We've known what to do, it's up to each individual to follow through and be responsible. That's the whole point. When some idiot pushes his way into my wife's assisted living facility when they're in lock down, that's not on the PotUS. When my sister-in-law visits her grandmother with her kids every other weekend and she gets COVID, that's not on the PotUS.

I see you're using the ol' Republican get-out-of-jail-free card: "personal responsibility". It's what the party uses when they just want to stop giving a shit.

If Donald Trump wasn't intentionally holding rallies, flaunting the capacity restrictions governors and the CDC had put in place, and then giving stump speeches downplaying the virus' impact, like this one from September...

...you might have an argument.

If the guy didn't literally attend a Presidential debate in fucking October and mock mask-wearing...

"I don't wear masks like him. Every time you see him, he's got a mask. He could be speaking 200 feet away from it, and he shows up with the biggest mask I've seen..."

...you might have an argument.

Turns out you're just being intentionally ignorant of Donald Trump's own laissez-faire attitude towards the virus and its impact and the fact that it was basically his brand for mos of the summer/fall, and also being completely unaware of his own ability to make a difference in the opinions of tens of millions of Americans who might have taken the virus more seriously before a loved one died.

 

[ulukinatme]

I see you're using the ol' Republican get-out-of-jail-free card: "personal responsibility". It's what the party uses when they just want to stop giving a shit.

If Donald Trump wasn't intentionally holding rallies, flaunting the capacity restrictions governors and the CDC had put in place, and then giving stump speeches downplaying the virus' impact, like this one from September...

...you might have an argument.

If the guy didn't literally attend a Presidential debate in fucking October and mock mask-wearing...

"I don't wear masks like him. Every time you see him, he's got a mask. He could be speaking 200 feet away from it, and he shows up with the biggest mask I've seen..."

...you might have an argument.

Turns out you're just being intentionally ignorant of Donald Trump's own laissez-faire attitude towards the virus and its impact and the fact that it was basically his brand for mos of the summer/fall, and also being completely unaware of his own ability to make a difference in the opinions of tens of millions of Americans who might have taken the virus more seriously before a loved one died.

Ok, so you're in the camp that Trump is responsible for all of them then. Therefore in the coming months the new virus cases and deaths are all on Biden by your reasoning. Good to know.

 

[ulukinatme]

I am in NM. We spiked when everyone else spiked early on. We peaked, we flattened the curve and then numbers tanked for awhile. Then, like clockwork, they spiked again recently and could be on its way down again (I honestly have no clue because I stopped paying attention). From the moment we peaked to the moment we tanked for a bit you would think (if we are blaming Trumps early inactions) we would know enough to mitigate or control it the next time around. To the contrary it got worse than it did in the first time around. Leaving me to believe this virus had/has names and is/was just ready to call those names when it wanted.

This is pretty logical because it's a pandemic. It's impossible to contain this thing, it only gets stopped once either the vaccine gets to a certain % of people, or enough people have natural immunity, or a combination of both. That's why it's disingenuous to begin to blame or continue to blame either PotUS for the spread of the pandemic at this late stage. It's not new information by this point. We know China was hit harder than we were led to believe, and we know how it's spread along with how to combat it. Words from politicians do nothing if people don't take responsibility and follow the guidelines.

 

[drayer54]

That's why it's disingenuous to begin to blame or continue to blame either PotUS for the spread of the pandemic at this late stage. It's not new information by this point. We know China was hit harder than we were led to believe, and we know how it's spread along with how to combat it. Words from politicians do nothing if people don't take responsibility and follow the guidelines.

Strongly disagree. For months, Joe Biden has ran around talking about his plan and how we are going to "shut down the virus. They criticized Trump for not having a plan and boasted about their plan. Trump's people (correctly) pointed out how the stuff Biden said he would do was exactly what they were already doing.

Here we are. 2 days in and Biden has changed his tune.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I was told you were gonna stop the virus <a href="https://t.co/tceWpurRkw">https://t.co/tceWpurRkw</a> <a href="https://t.co/29ZDR0QDX6">pic.twitter.com/29ZDR0QDX6</a></p>— Dr. Ricardo Harambe (@Richard_Harambe) <a href="https://twitter.com/Richard_Harambe/status/1352714692335177731?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[BilboBaggins]

Ok, so you're in the camp that Trump is responsible for all of them then. Therefore in the coming months the new virus cases and deaths are all on Biden by your reasoning. Good to know.

Have you hit your head?

No, I never said Donald Trump is responsible for all COVID deaths. I think I said this:

It's not even a question of "how much blame does Trump deserve for COVID?" That's too specific. It's a pass/fail exam and the only question is "did the President take this as seriously as he could have?" ...and that answer is obvious.

So don't try to turn this. You're the only one looking foolish when you try that. You couldn't respond to the proof that Donald Trump paraded around all summer and fall trying to get the country to ignore the calamity because it was good for his tough guy persona, so you resorted to the lame shit of "deaths are all on Biden by your reasoning".

A President taking the pandemic seriously is step #1. Trump didn't even do that. I know it. His advisors know it. And you should know it too.

 

[BilboBaggins]

Strongly disagree. For months, Joe Biden has ran around talking about his plan and how we are going to "shut down the virus. They criticized Trump for not having a plan and boasted about their plan. Trump's people (correctly) pointed out how the stuff Biden said he would do was exactly what they were already doing.

Here we are. 2 days in and Biden has changed his tune.

Wrong. Get off Twitter and watch something longer than 15 seconds.

Particularly at about 11:30 into Dr. Fauci's press conference...

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The Trump Administration was pretty straightforward that the states were to take the lead on the response (read: The Trump Administration was pretty straightforward that they were going to GTFO and blame the states.)

The Biden Administration has a pretty clear test right in front of them: can they significantly increase the number of vaccines administered enough to diminish the cases. 100,000,000 in 100 days. They're only going to accomplish that by better federal coordination and a better, you guess it, plan, than the Trump "administration."

You're also clutching your pearls by taking a campaign statement and a classic under sell/over deliver strategy. Is this your first week following politics? Dr. Fauci isn't a politician, listen to him.

 

[ulukinatme]

Have you hit your head?

No, I never said Donald Trump is responsible for all COVID deaths. I think I said this:



So don't try to turn this. You're the only one looking foolish when you try that. You couldn't respond to the proof that Donald Trump paraded around all summer and fall trying to get the country to ignore the calamity because it was good for his tough guy persona, so you resorted to the lame shit of "deaths are all on Biden by your reasoning".

A President taking the pandemic seriously is step #1. Trump didn't even do that. I know it. His advisors know it. And you should know it too.

Dude, this is your straw-man argument. I never said and I'll not refute your argument that Trump could have taken COVID more seriously, especially at the start, but at the same time nobody was taking it that seriously to begin with. As mentioned the experts at the WHO were telling us China had it under wraps and it was a mild concern at best, and Fauci said initially masks do nothing. Would you expect Biden to go against the experts in the same position? Hell, he signed a bunch of mandates today for masks in federal buildings and other locations all while he and his family were unmasked, much to the dismay of some reporters. "Rules for thee, not for me" and all that. I thought the general consensus among Trump's detractors is that nothing he says is legitimate or truthful anyway? You're going to tell me this country failed at containing the virus because everyone decided to reverse course and believe him on COVID of all things? Doesn't make much sense.

Back to my initial argument...my initial comment was in regards to the COVID death toll that has been pinned on Trump by the media in 2020, 400k and counting which was a ridiculous accusation used strictly for the purpose of destroying the election. It achieved it's intended result, and now people are turning it around on Biden to show the hypocrisy of the logic.

 

[IrishLax]

Strongly disagree. For months, Joe Biden has ran around talking about his plan and how we are going to "shut down the virus. They criticized Trump for not having a plan and boasted about their plan. Trump's people (correctly) pointed out how the stuff Biden said he would do was exactly what they were already doing.

Here we are. 2 days in and Biden has changed his tune.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I was told you were gonna stop the virus <a href="https://t.co/tceWpurRkw">https://t.co/tceWpurRkw</a> <a href="https://t.co/29ZDR0QDX6">pic.twitter.com/29ZDR0QDX6</a></p>— Dr. Ricardo Harambe (@Richard_Harambe) <a href="https://twitter.com/Richard_Harambe/status/1352714692335177731?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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It's fun to meme on Biden with 10 second clips out of context, I understand why people will do it with how they perceive Trump was treated unfairly in similar situations.

This one about the "trajectory" was a follow on to him talking about economic relief, eviction protection, etc. that needs to be passed now and the why is that it's still going to take time to beat the virus. In fact, Biden repeatedly said -- during the campaign and after -- that the situation was dire and going to get worse before it got better.

People are acting like he promised to wave a magic wand and make the virus disappear overnight. He didn't. He laid out a detail-driven plan for how he would "shut down the virus" and is literally trying to execute exactly that plan right now. A quick Google search shows all the massive policy changes he is trying to implement and how they're targeted at beating the virus. People are basically trying to use this as a "gotcha" moment because of what the word "trajectory" implies, rather than realizing he said it in context of talking about expected losses and hardship that will occur while the population is inoculated + how he aims to speed up inoculation + corresponding timetables and other concurrent steps that will be taken to mitigate virus spread.

ETA: it is fair to criticize his use of "several months" which implies 3+. While COVID does have a lot of lagging indicators and it'd be accurate to say that deaths for the next month or so are already baked in... actions you take today will absolutely have noticeable impacts when you look at April+. I understand why he said it in context of lobbying for extended relief over that period of time, but that part is not an accurate statement.

 

[Blazers46]

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