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Agreed about the inherited wealth/marry into wealth aspect. That’s real for all major pols on both sides & it’s an essential advantage. Kamala is quite competent as you say...no one would disagree. She probably gets unfairly criticized for being an opportunist vs if she were male. The thing that throws a red flag for me is that she had a horrible showing in the Dem primaries. IIRC, she wasn’t even going to win her home state before she quit. She wasn’t impressive on the debate stage amongst her peers. That leaves the impression to a lot of folks that she was chosen for her skin color & her sex. Biden had already said he was choosing a woman so we know that narrowed the field. She may end up being great but I think we can agree she didn’t get the VP based on merit when looking at the rest of the field and her showing on the national stage in the debates. Regardless of “rich white guys” like Bush, Trump, Hillary & Biden, they still were voted in as their respective party’s nominee.

I agree. My point is the critiques of her are ridiculous. The dems need to learn from Joe Biden and nominate a white guy who can't be painted as a coastal elite or radical. No Californians. A lot of the Republican energy is built on a sense of cultural loss, and if you don't give them that they don't get so energized.
 

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I agree. My point is the critiques of her are ridiculous. The dems need to learn from Joe Biden and nominate a white guy who can't be painted as a coastal elite or radical. No Californians. A lot of the Republican energy is built on a sense of cultural loss, and if you don't give them that they don't get so energized.

A black dude from Hawaii with a degree from Harvard was a two term president. I think the grievance politics that Trump latched onto has more to do with the fallout of deindustrialization and the democrats embrace of neoliberalism during the Clinton presidency and Obama’s inability to seize the moment. Obama could have been the next FDR and put a stake in the austerity politics that began under Carter and went full steam under Reagan. Not sure why he spit the bit.
 

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I agree. My point is the critiques of her are ridiculous. The dems need to learn from Joe Biden and nominate a white guy who can't be painted as a coastal elite or radical. No Californians. A lot of the Republican energy is built on a sense of cultural loss, and if you don't give them that they don't get so energized.

Typical Democrat assumption think that criticism of a questionable choice or anything from the left can never be based on thought.

Even the Pittsburgh Post Gazette newspaper pointed it out when they endorsed a Republican for the first time in 5 decades.

This post goes to show more of that liberal elitist attitude that were just a bunch of dumb country folk that need to see white. I hope we win the next one with Tim Scott (plus he would be an amazing choice) so we can see that we only voted for him because of new dumb reasons.
 
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Typical Democrat assumption think that criticism of a questionable choice or anything from the left can never be based on thought.

Even the Pittsburgh Post Gazette newspaper pointed it out when they endorsed a Republican for the first time in 5 decades.

This post goes to show more of that liberal elitist attitude that were just a bunch of dumb country folk that need to see white. I hope we win the next one with Tim Scott (plus he would be an amazing choice) so we can see that we only voted for him because of new dumb reasons.

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If merit (as defined by selective and biased judgment) is the qualification for holding political office, the last president never would have been elected to his one term (according to the many who did not vote for him).

My point is that political merit is often simply a contest of advantage that shifts like sand in the wind. My impression is that Kamala was selected as VP for her willingness to effectively challenge Biden directly on two factors that comprise an important part of her identity, as well as many constituents: gender and race. Whether ethical or not, it’s status-quo politics to sell advocacy. That’s why the discussion of her not being meritorious of the VP position is a bit disingenuous.

I mean, let’s discuss Mike Pence, lol. Nah.
 

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Typical Democrat assumption think that criticism of a questionable choice or anything from the left can never be based on thought.

Even the Pittsburgh Post Gazette newspaper pointed it out when they endorsed a Republican for the first time in 5 decades.

This post goes to show more of that liberal elitist attitude that were just a bunch of dumb country folk that need to see white. I hope we win the next one with Tim Scott (plus he would be an amazing choice) so we can see that we only voted for him because of new dumb reasons.

I voted dem my 1st time in 2020 after voting R in 2008 and 2012. It's not all or most R's but the marginal trump voter. Obama did well early but woke something up in a Tea Party that wasn't about taxes (some cultural loss. Some race, some anti otherness).

Also I specifically said culture/coastal elite not race. Most of the animus I agree is not necessarily racial. It's Kamala is a radical out of touch coastal elite who doesn't understand me/looks down on me. It's why Newsom should never be nominated despite being more moderate than the average dem on fiscal issues.

For the R's they need to minimize how much they lead with the evangelical feel of culture war/the virulently anti immigrant stuff (trump actually made this shift from 2016 to 2020) moderate a bit on economic issues. Their EC advantage vis a vis the popular vote will evaporate in 2028 if nothing changes, but they can make a play for pro business immigrants and culturally conservative black people. But they're doubling down on grievance and not putting a coherent platform out besides tax cuts pay for themselves and more guns will reduce gun violence.
 

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Lawyers use that for judges all the time. Coaches print out pics of the refs with names. You're just jealous that Trump could never substantively discuss policy. He'd just cry that the press was unfair, call someone low energy and then add a build the wall trope.

Not sure how you pulled jealousy out of left field but that's irrelevant, and the analogies you attempted to make with lawyers and coaches are pretty weak. Trump can mentally run circles around Biden and doesn't need any pharmaceuticals to do perform his duties.
 

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If merit (as defined by selective and biased judgment) is the qualification for holding political office, the last president never would have been elected to his one term (according to the many who did not vote for him).

My point is that political merit is often simply a contest of advantage that shifts like sand in the wind. My impression is that Kamala was selected as VP for her willingness to effectively challenge Biden directly on two factors that comprise an important part of her identity, as well as many constituents: gender and race. Whether ethical or not, it’s status-quo politics to sell advocacy. That’s why the discussion of her not being meritorious of the VP position is a bit disingenuous.

I mean, let’s discuss Mike Pence, lol. Nah.

If you pay any attention to past posts, you'll know I am not a Pence fan, but he's more than qualified to be VP and more qualified than Harris.
 

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Pence got picked to shore up Trump's evangelical/republican classic flank. Pence was seen as an inferior executive to his predecessor and the governor after him. He was in danger of losing his next election if Trump doesn't nab him. If Trump wanted to find the best executive possible Pence wasn't the guy.

Anyone that was going to follow Daniels would have been inferior. Dude is smart, savvy and knows how to handle money. Not a fan of Pence, but he wasn't a bad governor and he wasn't going to lose if he ran again.
 

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Lawyers use that for judges all the time. Coaches print out pics of the refs with names. You're just jealous that Trump could never substantively discuss policy. He'd just cry that the press was unfair, call someone low energy and then add a build the wall trope.

I see you have a hard time defending Biden without trying to deflect back to Trump. To the bold
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Between the assault on the Bill of Rights and a quiet state media, the march to left-wing fascism continues. These are dark times for liberty.

Biden Administration Urges Supreme Court To Let Cops Enter Homes And Seize Guns Without A Warrant
"First created by the Supreme Court nearly 50 years ago, the community caretaking exception was designed for cases involving impounded cars and highway safety, on the grounds that police are often called to car accidents to remove nuisances like inoperable vehicles on public roads. "

"This expansion could also have perverse effects and disincentivize people from calling for help. As that brief noted, “When every interaction with police or request for help can become an invitation for police to invade the home, the willingness of individuals to seek assistance when it is most needed will suffer.”

But in its first amicus brief before the High Court, the Biden Administration glossed over these concerns and called on the justices to uphold the First Circuit’s ruling. Noting that “the ultimate touchstone of the Fourth Amendment is ‘reasonableness,’” the Justice Department argued that warrants should not be “presumptively required when a government official’s action is objectively grounded in a non-investigatory public interest, such as health or safety.”

“The ultimate question in this case is therefore not whether the respondent officers’ actions fit within some narrow warrant exception,” their brief stated, “but instead whether those actions were reasonable,” actions the Justice Department felt were “justified” in Caniglia’s case.
As a fail-safe, the Justice Department also urged the Supreme Court to uphold the lower court ruling on qualified immunity grounds, arguing that the officers’ “actions did not violate any clearly established law so as to render the officers individually liable in a damages action.”"


https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicksi...seize-guns-without-a-warrant/?sh=6468c7482829
 

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"Slept her way" is probably more appropriate.

Irish#1, understanding women´s power - success and sexuality - gets complicated fast.

So it is common to take the lazy way out and attribute her success to the "inappropriate" use of her sexuality.

ALL successful women run up against this lazy unrealistic analysis; they get used to it.

But the young women/girls who need female role models, when they see that, it breaks their hearts, ruins their confidence and and undermines their pride in being a female.

Is that what you really want to do?
 

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Irish#1, understanding women´s power - success and sexuality - gets complicated fast.

So it is common to take the lazy way out and attribute her success to the "inappropriate" use of her sexuality.

ALL successful women run up against this lazy unrealistic analysis; they get used to it.

But the young women/girls who need female role models, when they see that, it breaks their hearts, ruins their confidence and and undermines their pride in being a female.

Is that what you really want to do?

Are you implying we should ignore her past and view her through a make-believe lens so she can be properly idolized?
 

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Are you implying we should ignore her past and view her through a make-believe lens so she can be properly idolized?

Do not idolize her.


I am saying two things:

1 - Understanding others (especially the opposite sex) is complicated. So make the effort. Labels do not work.

2 - Careful how your words and actions affect others, especially our youth.


Three things, actually.

3 - Try to be more respectful of women on this site
 

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Do not idolize her.


I am saying two things:

1 - Understanding others (especially the opposite sex) is complicated. So make the effort. Labels do not work.

2 - Careful how your words and actions affect others, especially our youth.


Three things, actually.

3 - Try to be more respectful of women on this site

She should be given the same amount of scrutiny as anyone else holding her position.
 

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Irish#1, understanding women´s power - success and sexuality - gets complicated fast.

So it is common to take the lazy way out and attribute her success to the "inappropriate" use of her sexuality.

ALL successful women run up against this lazy unrealistic analysis; they get used to it.

But the young women/girls who need female role models, when they see that, it breaks their hearts, ruins their confidence and and undermines their pride in being a female.

Is that what you really want to do?


Do not idolize her.

I am saying two things:

1 - Understanding others (especially the opposite sex) is complicated. So make the effort. Labels do not work.

2 - Careful how your words and actions affect others, especially our youth.


Three things, actually.

3 - Try to be more respectful of women on this site


I am for women getting equal treatment (respect, pay, job opportunities, etc.). I would never had been bothered if my wife earned as much or more than me. You're trying to complicate this discussion as some great mystery. It's very simple. I think women understand very well what their sexuality can get them if they want to use it. The key is most do not want to go down that road, because to them it degrades them and makes them something less than who they are. They want to be recognized for their abilities and achievements and why not? Then you have others (a very small minority) who are not afraid to use it to advance themselves either in the workforce or for monetary gain. They probably look at it as more of a tool to gain the desired results. Is Harris success solely due to her past discretions? Of course not, but it appears to have gotten the ball rolling. I also doubt women get use to this lazy unrealistic analysis.

Point #3 is quite funny when one looks at your avatar.
 

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Thank you Irish#1.
That is the type of insightful comment that leads to productive discussion.

The idea is to be able to discuss her and other women and their careers
  • without talking about their vaginas, and
  • understanding that the wh--- paradigm really is offensive and short-sighted.
The role of sex in success is ALWAYS present for women (because men are human).
Some use it to varying degrees, many don´t.
And not every young woman who flirts with an older man is a wh--- that sleeps her way to success.
 
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A black dude from Hawaii with a degree from Harvard was a two term president. I think the grievance politics that Trump latched onto has more to do with the fallout of deindustrialization and the democrats embrace of neoliberalism during the Clinton presidency and Obama’s inability to seize the moment. Obama could have been the next FDR and put a stake in the austerity politics that began under Carter and went full steam under Reagan. Not sure why he spit the bit.

Didnt Obama recently blame the fact he didn’t accomplish as much as he wanted on white people? Forget the story or quote but thought I read it somewhere...
 

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There are a million women that could be on my daughter’s role model list and Harris would not crack the list. However, Condoleezza Rice is in the top 3. No comparison between the two.
 

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There are a million women that could be on my daughter’s role model list and Harris would not crack the list. However, Condoleezza Rice is in the top 3. No comparison between the two.

Agree 100%. And your daughter deserves a a thoughtful analysis of those role-models.

As for VP Harris specifically;

I did not vote for her (I am 3rd gen GOP and never vote Dem).

But I prefer to have her as a nothing-burger VP rather than working with Sanders and Warren for wacko bills that might get through.

And if Biden leaves and she is the 2024 Dem candidate, well, that will just result in a a GOP WH, House and Senate.

So, like I say, nothing-burger.
 

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Cuomo has another accuser. "“I know the difference between an innocent gesture and a sexual one.”.
 

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Cuomo has another accuser. "“I know the difference between an innocent gesture and a sexual one.”.

It's amazing to me that he is still in office. Preferential treatment to family, covering up deaths in senior homes, a slew of credible accusers and there he sits in office.
 

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If merit (as defined by selective and biased judgment) is the qualification for holding political office, the last president never would have been elected to his one term (according to the many who did not vote for him).

My point is that political merit is often simply a contest of advantage that shifts like sand in the wind. My impression is that Kamala was selected as VP for her willingness to effectively challenge Biden directly on two factors that comprise an important part of her identity, as well as many constituents: gender and race. Whether ethical or not, it’s status-quo politics to sell advocacy. That’s why the discussion of her not being meritorious of the VP position is a bit disingenuous.

I mean, let’s discuss Mike Pence, lol. Nah.

Winning elections is the qualification for holding political office. Kamala shit the bed on the debate stage & finished amongst the worst if not dead last. You’re correct about “merit” but that’s not the point I think most are making about Kamala. No one is saying she is mentally disabled or ineffective as a legislator or back room strategist. There’s a long list of candidates we could say the same about that flopped on the national stage...including old white guys.

The problem the Left needs to get past is letting Trump live in their heads rent free. Nothing wrong with criticizing past administrations’ decisions but you can’t go back to 2016 and replace your beloved Hillary w/ a better candidate. He won, the media & the Left are still bitter about it, he was divisive, he said dumb stuff, he’s polarizing, he’s gone. In other words, if every retort is going to revolve around “at least they’re not orange Hitler Trump”, it’s going to be hard to be taken seriously. It’s Biden’s time & I’m fine to give him a chance.

Kamala is VP. That’s fine, if Dan Quayle & Walter Mondale can pull it off, I’m sure she’ll be capable. But it’s not about what she did as a prosecutor or a US Senator. She’s just not yet proven to be appealing to a National electorate. And it’s not her sex or her race, she’s just not enigmatic or shown the ability to be a uniter. She’s not the first one to be labeled as such who has failed on a national stage. Hell look at Biden, it took him how many failed campaigns before he won the POTUS. When he got busted for plagiarism in 1988, I guarantee no one predicted he’d one day be POTUS.

Questioning Kamala’s merit is ignorant & I don’t think her detractors are saying she’s not capable or accomplished. Again, that doesn’t guarantee she’s the next POTUS and in that realm all we have to go by is her failure on the national debate stage against her peers. I think the criticism she’s getting is b/c we ALL know Biden isn’t long for this role so we will one day soon likely have an unelected POTUS much like Gerald Ford was when Nixon stepped down.
 

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Apparently Biden is more likely to run again if it's Trump. Get ready for that nonsense. Also as has been mentioned above unless Kamala learns a lot from Biden in terms of being a political operator she's an awful politician.
 

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It's amazing to me that he is still in office. Preferential treatment to family, covering up deaths in senior homes, a slew of credible accusers and there he sits in office.

Nothing surprises me since literal child predator Roy Moore got 48% of the vote in Alabama.
 

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Nothing surprises me since literal child predator Roy Moore got 48% of the vote in Alabama.

I wish I was surprised that tech billionaires who funded the disinformation campaign against him never got held accountable.

I’m at the point where I’d vote for an upright mop ahead of a Democrat in a Senate race. Why would an Alabama citizen give away their voice to Chuck Schumer?
 
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