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Nothing surprises me since literal child predator Roy Moore got 48% of the vote in Alabama.

We'll see what happens with Cuomo. I suspect he'll resign or make a deal to not run again or something? Just hard to see how he could continue his political career with these accusations and the nursing home stuff.

That reminds me, I need to check in on #BlueAnon. There is or was a contingent of libs* on twitter that believe Donald Trump is behind the accusations, and that Andrew Cuomo is innocent, but even if he did do it, he cannot resign. A resignation would mean a new governor and a new governor would pardon Trump!

*its almost scary how similar the accounts are to the QAnon types. They appear to be mostly middle-aged white men and women from across the country and even some Canadians.
 

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Apparently Biden is more likely to run again if it's Trump. Get ready for that nonsense. Also as has been mentioned above unless Kamala learns a lot from Biden in terms of being a political operator she's an awful politician.

Glad Joe is feeling spunky enough today to say that, but Trump isn't going to be running again unless it's as an independent.
 

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It's amazing to me that he is still in office. Preferential treatment to family, covering up deaths in senior homes, a slew of credible accusers and there he sits in office.

He's a smug SOB who thinks he's above everyone. I can't believe the NY congress isn't pushing this.
 

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He's a smug SOB who thinks he's above everyone. I can't believe the NY congress isn't pushing this.

The selfish part of me thinks him staying is the best chance for a GOP Gov contender. We aren't THAT far removed from Pataki.
 

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We'll see what happens with Cuomo. I suspect he'll resign or make a deal to not run again or something? Just hard to see how he could continue his political career with these accusations and the nursing home stuff.

That reminds me, I need to check in on #BlueAnon. There is or was a contingent of libs* on twitter that believe Donald Trump is behind the accusations, and that Andrew Cuomo is innocent, but even if he did do it, he cannot resign. A resignation would mean a new governor and a new governor would pardon Trump!

*its almost scary how similar the accounts are to the QAnon types. They appear to be mostly middle-aged white men and women from across the country and even some Canadians.

I went looking for the "blueanon" stuff, and it looks like this - Right wing grievance pundits claiming Joe Scarborough(?) is part of "blue anon", accounts with names like TRUMPisGODMAGA2024 claiming Blue Anon is upset about whatever topic dujour, and people saying Heidi Heitkamp (LMAO) is part of this #BlueAnon. No one with #BlueAnon in their twitter bios, no #BlueQ tweet threads, no #BlueDrops - essentially it's a made up phrase for those that want to be pissy with MSNBC/CNN types.
 

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Can we get the anti gerrymandering component of HR 1 through? Parties in states that can gerrymander use them to maximize their advantage as is... then we could at least have less districts capable of electing an AOC/Gaetz etc.
 

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I went looking for the "blueanon" stuff, and it looks like this - Right wing grievance pundits claiming Joe Scarborough(?) is part of "blue anon", accounts with names like TRUMPisGODMAGA2024 claiming Blue Anon is upset about whatever topic dujour, and people saying Heidi Heitkamp (LMAO) is part of this #BlueAnon. No one with #BlueAnon in their twitter bios, no #BlueQ tweet threads, no #BlueDrops - essentially it's a made up phrase for those that want to be pissy with MSNBC/CNN types.
Blue anon is a term for left wing extremists who promote conspiracy theories and nonsense designed to advance the liberal agenda. They do tend to appear on the stated networks.
 

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Blue anon is a term for left wing extremists who promote conspiracy theories and nonsense designed to advance the liberal agenda. They do tend to appear on the stated networks.

Joe Scarborough is an extremist? Who came up with titles lol
 

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Saw on the news that they are putting up additional tents in the internment, sorry, detention centers to accommodate the influx. Joe prohibiting denies attorneys access to facility. lol

Hundreds of immigrant children and teenagers have been detained at a Border Patrol tent facility in packed conditions, with some sleeping on the floor because there aren’t enough mats, according to nonprofit lawyers who conduct oversight of immigrant detention centers.

The lawyers interviewed more than a dozen children Thursday in Donna, Texas, where the Border Patrol is holding more than 1,000 people. Some of the youths told the lawyers they had been at the facility for a week or longer, despite the agency’s three-day limit for detaining children. Many said they haven’t been allowed to phone their parents or other relatives who may be wondering where they are.

Despite concerns about the coronavirus, the children are kept so closely together that they can touch the person next to them, the lawyers said. Some have to wait five days or more to shower, and there isn’t always soap available, just shampoo, according to the lawyers.

President Joe Biden’s administration denied the lawyers access to the tent facility. During the administration of former President Donald Trump, attorney visits to Border Patrol stations revealed severe problems, including dozens of children held at one rural station without adequate food, water, or soap.

“It is pretty surprising that the administration talks about the importance of transparency and then won’t let the attorneys for children set eyes on where they’re staying,” said Leecia Welch of the National Center for Youth Law, one of the lawyers. “I find that very disappointing.”

Although none of the children reported situations as severe as during the Trump era, Welch said the lawyers “weren’t able to lay eyes on any of it to see for ourselves, so we’re just piecing together what they said.”
 

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Looks like the Biden team is going to use their expensive infrastructure plan to distract from the Biden border crisis. I'd be curious to be a fly on the wall for this debate-


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I haven't watched a second of Joe Scarborough to know if that is true.

Aaron Rupar= Blue Anon - there's one!

What makes Aaron Rupar an extremist? Looks like he just quote tweet responses to Fox News clips. Isn't the trope that the Left calls people they don't like Nazi’s or Facists or extremists?
 

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It's kind of funny that people don't realize that the reason the "border crisis" is being pushed... despite seeing a virtual mirror of what we saw during the 2019 surge under Trump... is that it's basically the only wedge issue test balloon that has worked for the GOP. Their opposition to the American Rescue Plan was extremely unpopular, Biden has tracked around 54% approval since being inaugurated, his approval of handling COVID is sky high, etc. They trotted out a number of talking points about the debt, cancel culture, China, etc. The only that is both driving engagement AND has poor approval numbers for Biden is the border. That's why the same people who didn't have a word to say in 2019 are going through insane theatrics to pretend it's THE most important issue. The truth is that it's basically the status quo and nowhere close to what we saw in the early 00s. And moreover, people expected a big surge this year regardless of who was President because of the depressed crossing numbers in 2020.

All is fair in politics, because as I said on here years ago the "kids in cages" thing was an overblown trope that could be traced back to before Trump even became president. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
 

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It's kind of funny that people don't realize that the reason the "border crisis" is being pushed... despite seeing a virtual mirror of what we saw during the 2019 surge under Trump... is that it's basically the only wedge issue test balloon that has worked for the GOP. Their opposition to the American Rescue Plan was extremely unpopular, Biden has tracked around 54% approval since being inaugurated, his approval of handling COVID is sky high, etc. They trotted out a number of talking points about the debt, cancel culture, China, etc. The only that is both driving engagement AND has poor approval numbers for Biden is the border. That's why the same people who didn't have a word to say in 2019 are going through insane theatrics to pretend it's THE most important issue. The truth is that it's basically the status quo and nowhere close to what we saw in the early 00s. And moreover, people expected a big surge this year regardless of who was President because of the depressed crossing numbers in 2020.

All is fair in politics, because as I said on here years ago the "kids in cages" thing was an overblown trope that could be traced back to before Trump even became president. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

I agree that the outrage at Obama's cages under Trump was insane and entirely political, but is it really fair to compare the Biden border crisis to the surge seen before? It's different in both size and reason. People weren't showing up in Trump shirts because they thought Trump was going to open the border and give them a handout. We didn't have convention centers and military installations being turned into overcrowded migrant detention centers. I don't see a fair comparison.

What makes Aaron Rupar an extremist? Looks like he just quote tweet responses to Fox News clips. Isn't the trope that the Left calls people they don't like Nazi’s or Facists or extremists?

It has more to do with knowingly spreading misinformation and consistently circulating fiction as truth.

I don't call people Nazi's unless they are like actual self-identified nazis. Heidi Heitkamp and the left have a much lower threshold. The Fascist thing from the left is hilarious as almost every power structure and influence group in the country is driving their agenda. If you consistently spread false information under false pretexes and that information gets cycled by followers, it's Blue Anon.
 

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I don't call people Nazi's unless they are like actual self-identified nazis. Heidi Heitkamp and the left have a much lower threshold. The Fascist thing from the left is hilarious as almost every power structure and influence group in the country is driving their agenda. If you consistently spread false information under false pretexes and that information gets cycled by followers, it's Blue Anon.

So what makes him an extremist as you previously said?
 

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The issue the right will have is unless there's a big economic/natural disaster cataclysm the border numbers will go back down below the current surge levels due to the underlying forces driving this. The issue will go away or Biden will claim to have solved it.
 

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Look, I know most people don't, but the fact is Matt Gaetz just isn't going to do well in prison.

Madison Cawthorn celebrated on Twitter for grant money that his distirct received even though he voted against it.
 

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What makes Aaron Rupar an extremist? Looks like he just quote tweet responses to Fox News clips. Isn't the trope that the Left calls people they don't like Nazi’s or Facists or extremists?

I generally call a Nazi a Nazi. Frankly, I'm kind of pissed off they went mainstream again. Thought my grandparents took care of all that, but evidently these people were just op eds in Ohio and Michigan waiting to happen in 2017.

Guess I should get out of my bubble more. You know, the one that went nearly forty years without having to worry about mainstream Nazis.
 

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I agree that the outrage at Obama's cages under Trump was insane and entirely political, but is it really fair to compare the Biden border crisis to the surge seen before? It's different in both size and reason. People weren't showing up in Trump shirts because they thought Trump was going to open the border and give them a handout. We didn't have convention centers and military installations being turned into overcrowded migrant detention centers. I don't see a fair comparison.

The numbers we're seeing now have not reached peak 2019. It is on track and following the exact same shape as 2019 crossings, just marginally more and will likely exceed in the May 2019 peak but it isn't there yet. It is nowhere close to the numbers we used to see... even the worst projections for 2021 still have the numbers at some of the lowest levels they have been in 40 years. It can't be considered a crisis in any historical context. The below is the graph of illegal crossings tracked back to 1970 when they were at their lowest levels. Even if crossings hit 500k this year it will be lower than the number of crossings every year from ~1973 to 2010, and it will be in the ballpark of numbers we've seen from 2010 to 2020.

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I generally call a Nazi a Nazi. Frankly, I'm kind of pissed off they went mainstream again. Thought my grandparents took care of all that, but evidently these people were just op eds in Ohio and Michigan waiting to happen in 2017.

Guess I should get out of my bubble more. You know, the one that went nearly forty years without having to worry about mainstream Nazis.

Personally, I love to see people claim that the Left is damaging discourse because everyone is a Nazi/Fascist to them.......yet here we are debating whether a reply guy on Twitter is an extremist. Or, that the Left loves to give people offensive labels......yet Blue Anon is this lovely made up term.
 

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I agree that the outrage at Obama's cages under Trump was insane and entirely political, but is it really fair to compare the Biden border crisis to the surge seen before? It's different in both size and reason. People weren't showing up in Trump shirts because they thought Trump was going to open the border and give them a handout. We didn't have convention centers and military installations being turned into overcrowded migrant detention centers. I don't see a fair comparison.



It has more to do with knowingly spreading misinformation and consistently circulating fiction as truth.

I don't call people Nazi's unless they are like actual self-identified nazis. Heidi Heitkamp and the left have a much lower threshold. The Fascist thing from the left is hilarious as almost every power structure and influence group in the country is driving their agenda. If you consistently spread false information under false pretexes and that information gets cycled by followers, it's Blue Anon.

How is it knowingly spreading misinformation when it's LITERALLY the words of those he quoted?
 

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So what makes him an extremist as you previously said?
His tweets with deliberately misleading information have literally been used as Chinese propaganda. It's not as entertaining as Brian Stelter saying the national mall is an extension of Joe Biden's arms hugging America, but hey- he is a lunatic who prioritizes agenda over facts.

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His tweets with deliberately misleading information have literally been used as Chinese propaganda. It's not as entertaining as Brian Stelter saying the national mall is an extension of Joe Biden's arms hugging America, but hey- he is a lunatic who prioritizes agenda over facts.


So someone who you believe to be deliberately tweeting misleading information that benefits a foreign government is an extremist? I've got a nice laundry list of "extremists" then for you to consider. I think you'll quickly change your tune on throwing around labels like "extremist".
 
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