BCS title game postgame thoughts

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I've been a believer in Brian Kelly since he was at UC. I think he is the right coach to lead Notre Dame to a national championship.

That being said he and his staff got out freakin coach this last month. I say mouth because I believe preparation was more of an issue than in game coaching itself.
 

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When Nix hit Barrett Jones square up he consistently knocked him two yards back.

He may have guessed the wrong side on some inside zones, and gotten a bit tired (partly due to the offense never being on the field), but there's no doubt who of those two would have won an Oklahoma drill last night.
 

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I've been a believer in Brian Kelly since he was at UC. I think he is the right coach to lead Notre Dame to a national championship.

That being said he and his staff got out freakin coach this last month. I say mouth because I believe preparation was more of an issue than in game coaching itself.

Experience is important...
 

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Yes. As others here have stated...The edge running game by Bama KILLED US.

That, and our poor tackling, were the two most obvious things I saw
 

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I thought ND needed to one gap and fan their DEs into the C Gap (tackle/tight end) more. We needed to funnel them inside and take our chances with Nix and Teo being able to beat a block and make a play. Probably wouldn't have worked last night the way they tackled but I would have taken my chances with that.
 

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The most talented team in the country played a perfect game against us. Hats off to them.

Like Kelly said after the SC game last year, "We'll start winning when we're better." Like that SC game, this was a reminder of how much work we still have to do. We'll get there. Great season capped by a crappy game -- but hopefully we learned a lesson and it's just another stepping stone, like that SC game, on the way to powerhouse status.

Our star is still rising. Not sure SC and Michigan can say the same. We are the new standard bearer, along with Oregon and OSU, for elite football outside the SEC. Let's sign the number one class in the fvcking country and go to work this spring.

This is what I keep thinking. People are saying that Georgia and basically everybody is better than ND. But Bama made mistakes especially early against those other teams. ND needed a break early, like the fumbled punt, but it just wasn't in the cards.
 

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When Nix hit Barrett Jones square up he consistently knocked him two yards back.

He may have guessed the wrong side on some inside zones, and gotten a bit tired (partly due to the offense never being on the field), but there's no doubt who of those two would have won an Oklahoma drill last night.

Honest question here....do you think Bama let him do that?

Look, they cut back to middle quite a bit. To me, its much easier to cut back if Nix is two yards in the backfield versus being pushed two yards backwards. Based on the way the Bama players were talking after the game, I tend to believe that was by design.
 

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This is what I keep thinking. People are saying that Georgia and basically everybody is better than ND. But Bama made mistakes especially early against those other teams. ND needed a break early, like the fumbled punt, but it just wasn't in the cards.

To be fair, those other teams forced mistakes. Like UGA blocking the punt and returning it for a TD.

ND defense all year has been a bend but don't break in the sense that they will give you certain things. 12 teams on our schedule couldn't take advantage. Bama did. IMO, we just need a bit more variety on D.
 

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Honest question here....do you think Bama let him do that?

Look, they cut back to middle quite a bit. To me, its much easier to cut back if Nix is two yards in the backfield versus being pushed two yards backwards. Based on the way the Bama players were talking after the game, I tend to believe that was by design.

No, only trap blocks do that. Or whams. A defender in the backfield prevents scooping to the next level and disrupts the play too much.

Well, some zones try to take their man out of the play laterally if he's going that way to begin with, but never straight back like Nix was able to do.
 

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<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/9NLN11H2CQk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

This only shows the scoring plays.
But in each of the running plays Nix is 2-3 yards in the backfield.
They just ran away from him.
 

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We do not yet have the athletes to compete with a team like Bama. That's all I gleaned from last night.
 

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This game will be an eye opener for the returning guys. They now know how tough a real team is. They'll know what to do in order to compete next time.. Playing Bama is a lot different than even playing a team like sc. Way better all around. Thus game will serve as standard for the players to live up to.
 

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Our lack of quality depth especially on defense really hurt. We have no viable backup for Nix who can play competitively against a team like Alabama. It was painfully obvious that our LBs and DBs had never witnessed the speed with which Alabama played.

I'm hopeful due to the excellent recruiting class coming in that we can rebound from this. We should still be more talented than every team on our schedule next year. Although I could understand us not going to the NCG if we were undefeated again. At this point a one loss Alabama is more deserving to go than an undefeated ND IMO.
 

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Our lack of quality depth especially on defense really hurt. We have no viable backup for Nix who can play competitively against a team like Alabama. It was painfully obvious that our LBs and DBs had never witnessed the speed with which Alabama played.

I'm hopeful due to the excellent recruiting class coming in that we can rebound from this. We should still be more talented than every team on our schedule next year. Although I could understand us not going to the NCG if we were undefeated again. At this point a one loss Alabama is more deserving to go than an undefeated ND IMO.

Yes this loss could hurt us going into next year. Same deal with an undefeated OSU and an undefeated ND. I think OSU gets the nod even with a weaker schedule given Urban Meyer's reputation and ND laying an egg.
 

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Yes this loss could hurt us going into next year. Same deal with an undefeated OSU and an undefeated ND. I think OSU gets the nod even with a weaker schedule given Urban Meyer's reputation and ND laying an egg.

This is silly talk IMO.

Did that stop Ohio State from returning to the NC game the year after getting steamrolled by Florida? Nope. Plus, that next year, if memory serves, OSU did not beat a top 15 team that year.

ND can get there again, but it will take an undefeated season and much stronger final scores.
 

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We do not yet have the athletes to compete with a team like Bama. That's all I gleaned from last night.

I don't believe this for a second. A few years ago, under Weis, that was very true. But a lack of athleticism wasn't the problem. The biggest problems we had tonight were self-inflicted. For one, the defense played terrible...sloppy, missed tackles all over the place, just a complete meltdown from what they had been doing all year. But, give Bama credit, they have some world class athletes that will flat run you over if you let them.

Two, we should have taken the ball when we won the toss. I understand the decision, Kelly trusted his D and decided to let them stand up first. Not a bad choice, as they are the stronger unit. But, getting the ball would have given us a chance to start establishing the run. It obvious with all the passing to start he didn't have confidence in us running against their front seven, but you have to try. Our passing attack is not SEC challenging enough yet, but our run game is easily. We needed it, and by the time we really tried to hammer away with it we were already down 14.

The refs straight up SUCKED in this game. Not making excuses...that was just a fact. Even the announcers kept saying "What's going on here!?" The catch by Eifert was a catch. The HALO violation for the kick returner was complete crap. We gave him space to catch it. I've seen plenty of games where a guy has that much room, misses the catch, and isn't flagged even if he gets hit. BUT, the big thing to me was his own man hit him...not ours. Whatever. The refs might as well had money hanging out of their pockets with as bad as it looked like they paid off the refs. Geez.

The major weakness we had, which we knew we did and was glaring, was our corners and their lack of speed and elite coverage skills. I was hoping Bama would lean more on their outstanding run game than their deep downfield passing. But, as with any good team, they identified that and took advantage of it. I don't know why we continually attacked their AA corner deep downfield...I understand the concept of striking where your opponent feels most comfortable or strongest, but we just weren't going to win most of those.

Overall, I think the biggest issue was stars in the eyes. Bama, and these players especially, have been here a few times already. NONE of our guys had any experience with the enormity of the moment. As talented as they are, we just had no experience and going against the best team in college football was insurmountable truthfully at the time. I really feel the best team won...but, don't mistake that for a lack of belief. Legitimately, we really were a year or so away...we have the #1 recruiting class coming in so we'll be back. But, at the moment, Bama and Saban are the people to beat and right now we weren't quite good enough...yet.
 

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Case and point why we need to start to instill bump and run man coverage as our base, not zone. I realize why we play zone, but elite defenses do not rely on it. Does Bama? Does LSU? Does Florida? The best teams in the best conference run man and there is a reason for it. The good news is that with the recruiting class this year and with the athletes we have now, we can start that transition.

I think there is wisdom in this. Few college quaterbacks can anticipate where to throw it when pressure is bearing down, and their guys appear covered up. If you have speed at the safeties...I mean real speed, you can gamble some more with corners in press...


This is a philosphical thing for me...well ok...strategic...I'm a bit of a zealot on it...

I think you have to force corners into man as your base...practice it...play it until you can't...then play it again. Players have to know there is no escaping it, then some pretty cool transformations happen. ...I see it time and again in basketball and football...the skills, reflexes, and ultimately the mentality you force-grow by forcing man to man translates to better players...even when they drop into a zone. The character and mentality you need to be good are only grown from a constant state of stress/duress...immersion training if you will. Again, the result is, even when you decide to play off a little, your guys' mentalities, reflexes, skills are honed to seriously curtail YAC. I'm sure depth was a concern, so I hope we see it more next year.
 

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I think there is wisdom in this. Few college quaterbacks can anticipate where to throw it when pressure is bearing down, and their guys appear covered up. If you have speed at the safeties...I mean real speed, you can gamble some more with corners in press...


This is a philosphical thing for me...well ok...strategic...I'm a bit of a zealot on it...

I think you have to force corners into man as your base...practice it...play it until you can't...then play it again. Players have to know there is no escaping it, then some pretty cool transformations happen. ...I see it time and again in basketball and football...the skills, reflexes, and ultimately the mentality you force-grow by forcing man to man translates to better players...even when they drop into a zone. The character and mentality you need to be good are only grown from a constant state of stress/duress...immersion training if you will. Again, the result is, even when you decide to play off a little, your guys' mentalities, reflexes, skills are honed to seriously curtail YAC. I'm sure depth was a concern, so I hope we see it more next year.

I think depth, safety play and size all played a role. As great as KR was this year, he should have never been seeing the field at CB this year. He should have been able to use or year or two to get bigger and understand the system. He is too undersized to play bump and run man this year. But, depth forced our hand and he had to play. He did more than I could have imagined, but size forced our hand.

Safety play should only get better. I think they played decent this year, but neither had the ball hawking skills nor athleticism to make the plays needed in a man scheme.

The players are making their way thru the roster to help alleviate these issus. I love what the team was able to do this year and the boys played their hearts out, but they were out manned.
 

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I don't believe this for a second. A few years ago, under Weis, that was very true. But a lack of athleticism wasn't the problem. The biggest problems we had tonight were self-inflicted. For one, the defense played terrible...sloppy, missed tackles all over the place, just a complete meltdown from what they had been doing all year. But, give Bama credit, they have some world class athletes that will flat run you over if you let them.

Two, we should have taken the ball when we won the toss. I understand the decision, Kelly trusted his D and decided to let them stand up first. Not a bad choice, as they are the stronger unit. But, getting the ball would have given us a chance to start establishing the run. It obvious with all the passing to start he didn't have confidence in us running against their front seven, but you have to try. Our passing attack is not SEC challenging enough yet, but our run game is easily. We needed it, and by the time we really tried to hammer away with it we were already down 14.

The refs straight up SUCKED in this game. Not making excuses...that was just a fact. Even the announcers kept saying "What's going on here!?" The catch by Eifert was a catch. The HALO violation for the kick returner was complete crap. We gave him space to catch it. I've seen plenty of games where a guy has that much room, misses the catch, and isn't flagged even if he gets hit. BUT, the big thing to me was his own man hit him...not ours. Whatever. The refs might as well had money hanging out of their pockets with as bad as it looked like they paid off the refs. Geez.

The major weakness we had, which we knew we did and was glaring, was our corners and their lack of speed and elite coverage skills. I was hoping Bama would lean more on their outstanding run game than their deep downfield passing. But, as with any good team, they identified that and took advantage of it. I don't know why we continually attacked their AA corner deep downfield...I understand the concept of striking where your opponent feels most comfortable or strongest, but we just weren't going to win most of those.

Overall, I think the biggest issue was stars in the eyes. Bama, and these players especially, have been here a few times already. NONE of our guys had any experience with the enormity of the moment. As talented as they are, we just had no experience and going against the best team in college football was insurmountable truthfully at the time. I really feel the best team won...but, don't mistake that for a lack of belief. Legitimately, we really were a year or so away...we have the #1 recruiting class coming in so we'll be back. But, at the moment, Bama and Saban are the people to beat and right now we weren't quite good enough...yet.

Thank you

As a coach I hate using athletism as an excuse. Sometimes it is legit usually it is not. If you block and tackle better, are the more disciplined team and still lose then come talk to me about athletism. ND last night did not block, tackle, or play disciplined assignment football. So I hate it when people go to athletism. Athletism helps erase mistakes at times but it is not an excuse them.
 

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I'm staying in today.

I won't watch sports on TV until the playoffs this weekend.

Mark May is a POS.

Last night will make us better.

I feel bad for our team, both players and coaches.

Sometimes learning hurts, but when it does you never forget it.

I kind of wish the refs would have caught us having 2 players with the same number against Pitt.

National signing day is right around the corner.

How many days till the blue gold game?

Chin up men, we are gonna be awesome next year!

GO IRISH!!
 

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I'm staying in today.

I won't watch sports on TV until the playoffs this weekend.

Mark May is a POS.

Last night will make us better.

I feel bad for our team, both players and coaches.

Sometimes learning hurts, but when it does you never forget it.

I kind of wish the refs would have caught us having 2 players with the same number against Pitt.

National signing day is right around the corner.

How many days till the blue gold game?

Chin up men, we are gonna be awesome next year!

GO IRISH!!

Really?
 

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<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/9NLN11H2CQk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

This only shows the scoring plays.
But in each of the running plays Nix is 2-3 yards in the backfield.
They just ran away from him.

on the first and 5th Day made great moves, but he never saw the ball. On the first he won...beat Jones BADLY, but never went to recognition...never looked up...he would have had Lacey for a 3 yard loss.

On the fifth, (pass play), he destroyed his blocker, and didn't look up until Mcarron had already slid...stood there looking around like wiley Coyote.

He really had a good night destroying Bama blockers, as did Nix...but the kid needs to be a little more aware...man he's good.
 

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Oh come on guys...we just pulled off something no one has ever done before. The #1 team in the land was also the #1 team with graduation rating! That was supposed to be impossible. Just stepping on to the field for the national championship with that in place was an unthinkable task. We were already winners by that alone.

Now, on the field, we just got beat by a team that's been there three out of the last four years. They're the best in the country and we're a few people away from being a national championship team ourselves. We got there early, which is a testament to great playing, great coaching and a little luck. So what if we lost? How many would have thought we'd be there at the beginning of the season? Honestly? Another thing we did that was never done was going from unranked to #1 and in the title game. That's AMAZING!

To all the people who say they wish someone else got into the title game, whether it be us or our opponent, I offer two comments.

1. To be the man you have to beat the man. How satisfying would it have been to sit back all year and field the "Yeah well's"? Yeah well, Notre Dame won but Bama wasn't there! I would rather lose the national championship every year than win the TicketCity.com Bowl!

2. The very fact we were there and didn't have to cut any corners to do it is awesome. The final score was irrelevant. For all the things Notre Dame stands for, to get there and have those standards in tact, is a big FU to people like Mark May, Colin Cowherd and anyone else who is a naysayer about not being relevant anymore.

Better to have gone and lost than not to have gone at all. #2 in the nation immediately after the game is pretty damned good.


I just wish we would have came out angry...like it was a personal insult that we were there and we supposedly had no chance against Bama. That's the only thing that pisses me off.
 
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How is it our DBs can stay with Robert Woods and Marquiese Lee but not Armari Cooper? Lee is better than Cooper. Yes we went one on one with Lee at times against USC and we survivied. We didn't always have safety help over the top. We should have taken more chances.
 

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How is it our DBs can stay with Robert Woods and Marquiese Lee but not Armari Cooper. Lee is better than Cooper. Yes we went one on one with Lee at times against USC and we survivied.

McCarron had all day to pass.
 

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How is it our DBs can stay with Robert Woods and Marquiese Lee but not Armari Cooper? Lee is better than Cooper. Yes we went one on one with Lee at times against USC and we survivied. We didn't always have safety help over the top. We should have taken more chances.

McCarron had all day to pass.

... and they were worried about the run game because the LBs were strangely MIA.
 

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How is it our DBs can stay with Robert Woods and Marquiese Lee but not Armari Cooper? Lee is better than Cooper. Yes we went one on one with Lee at times against USC and we survivied. We didn't always have safety help over the top. We should have taken more chances.

Being able to stuff the run on standard downs changes everything.

We did that against USC and OU, which allowed us to drop 7-8 guys into coverage on passing downs. We couldn't do it against 'Bama, so our secondary was on an island against most of those passes (and usually biting hard on the play action).
 

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Just want to thank you guys for having such a rational and pleasant post game discussion. Last night I wanted to break a lot of things, but instead just went to bed, and waking up this morning and reading everything helped me to realize the world hasn't ended and I still love this team a lot. So thanks guys. Go Irish and lets hope 2013 is even better.
 
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